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jaymla627 · 07-10-2020 09:38AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

These same types of side effects have always been occurring from hundreds of common viruses. Too many people have gotten addicted to the relentless hysteria

It won't be a patch on the outrage, when the lightbulb moment hits the highly paid public sector upper class that their high earning salaries and gold plated pensions will vanish overnight when the sheer scale of goverment debt becomes unmanageable....

alps · 07-10-2020 09:52AM

Gov need to start making people pay now..

Can't make out why fines are not part of the enforcement process..

alps · 07-10-2020 09:55AM

And this is why

https://twitter.com/AndyHeasman2/status/1310471964197302272?s=19

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-10-2020 10:01AM

alps wrote: »

And this is why

https://twitter.com/AndyHeasman2/status/1310471964197302272?s=19

Yeah, saw that earlier. Some people don't have the sense they were born with.

odyssey06 · 07-10-2020 10:05AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

These same types of side effects have always been occurring from hundreds of common viruses. Too many people have gotten addicted to the relentless hysteria

We don't know what the side effects will be long term. This is a new virus and such impacts are still accumulating and not fully assessed yet.

It's hardly relentless hysteria to be concerned whether this will have a wider impact on that front than say, the common cold, if that's one of the "hundreds of common viruses" you are comparing this to.

endainoz · 07-10-2020 10:06AM

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Yeah, saw that earlier. Some people don't have the sense they were born with.

And this is proof that level 3 won't change much at all. The 201 Beemer in the driveway just adds to the self entitlement.

Say my name · 07-10-2020 10:25AM

alps wrote: »

Gov need to start making people pay now..

Can't make out why fines are not part of the enforcement process..

Because we're not in 1980's East Germany.

Civil liberties are being quickly thrown to one side by people in this country.

It's becoming neighbour informing on neighbour to the authorities. Exactly like East Germany.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/east-german-domestic-surveillance-went-far-beyond-the-stasi-a-1042883.html

People want to cop themselves on. And that's not just the ones with beemers.

emaherx · 07-10-2020 10:28AM

There are 3 marquee's up outside some houses in a housing estate up the road from me and cars parked up all along the main road in front of the estate since the weekend. Doubt the Gardaí will have the balls to visit that particular gathering though.

yosemitesam1 · 07-10-2020 10:28AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

We don't know what the side effects will be long term. This is a new virus and such impacts are still accumulating and not fully assessed yet.

It's hardly relentless hysteria to be concerned whether this will have a wider impact on that front than say, the common cold, if that's one of the "hundreds of common viruses" you are comparing this to.

We have even less of an idea of what the long term societal and economic impacts will be...
Assuming covid will be worse is a very dangerous game to be playing.
A large number of people do run into complications from benign viruses. Most of these conditions are never linked to their cause but society is very much in the mindset of drawing links from every condition going to covid

whelan2 · 07-10-2020 10:31AM

emaherx wrote: »

There are 3 marquee's up outside some houses in a housing estate up the road from me and cars parked up all along the main road in front of the estate since the weekend. Doubt the Gardaí will have the balls to visit that particular gathering though.

I was going to a game in navan a few weeks ago. I got lost and ended up in an estate were I didn't want to be. A big marquee on the green, loads of empty cans and bottles around. Fire still smoking. Doubt they kept to the guidelines

yosemitesam1 · 07-10-2020 10:33AM

endainoz wrote: »

And this is proof that level 3 won't change much at all. The 201 Beemer in the driveway just adds to the self entitlement.

Has everyone forgotten about all the house parties taking place back in the spring, black lives matter protests etc and still numbers dropped with a tiny proportion of people wearing masks...
But now all of a sudden fairly minor number of infringements are the cause of all the increases...

odyssey06 · 07-10-2020 10:38AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

We have even less of an idea of what the long term societal and economic impacts will be...
Assuming covid will be worse is a very dangerous game to be playing.
A large number of people do run into complications from benign viruses. Most of these conditions are never linked to their cause but society is very much in the mindset of drawing links from every condition going to covid

It's not a dangerous game at all, it is an entirely reasonable and prudent response and frankly absurd to suggest otherwise i.e. that we shouldn't be more concerned about a new virus causing such impacts than known entities for example, the cold or known flu strains.
Yes, in assessing whether covid turns out to be more severe, we can use them as benchmarks. But to simply presume, oh it'll fall the same pattern as cold or flu is a dangerous game imo.

What does the long economic impacts have to do with whether people are experiencing long term symptoms or not???
Why are you deliberately muddying the waters by linking them somehow?
You are attempting to tie the two together in such a way as implying we should ignore or downplay such long term health repercussions for economic reasons. If that is your position I utterly reject it as dishonest.
If it's not your position, stop muddying the waters in such a way.

NcdJd · 07-10-2020 10:38AM

alps wrote: »

And this is why

https://twitter.com/AndyHeasman2/status/1310471964197302272?s=19

Slurry tank and rain gun would sort them scumbags out fairly quickly. ACI flat earth society.

emaherx · 07-10-2020 10:39AM

whelan2 wrote: »

I was going to a game in navan a few weeks ago. I got lost and ended up in an estate were I didn't want to be. A big marquee on the green, loads of empty cans and bottles around. Fire still smoking. Doubt they kept to the guidelines

Could well be the very same estate.

endainoz · 07-10-2020 10:44AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Has everyone forgotten about all the house parties taking place back in the spring, black lives matter protests etc and still numbers dropped with a tiny proportion of people wearing masks...
But now all of a sudden fairly minor number of infringements are the cause of all the increases...

House parties in the spring were not that common, there were only a few blm protests in Ireland and while there wasn't 100% mask wearing there was a lot. What you didn't mention was that at the time of those protests cases were quite low anyway, due to the restrictions before that.

Are you trying to say that restrictions don't make a difference to cases rising or falling at all?

wrangler · 07-10-2020 10:45AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

It won't be a patch on the outrage, when the lightbulb moment hits the highly paid public sector upper class that their high earning salaries and gold plated pensions will vanish overnight when the sheer scale of goverment debt becomes unmanageable....

Public service will be paid well no matter how poor the country is, we all know civil servants that moved house during the last recession when prices were on the floor....... they were the only ones that were in a position to do it.
It's ironic that the last increases they got before the recession benefitted from what was called ''benchmarking'' , that term disappeared from negotiations very quick after

yosemitesam1 · 07-10-2020 10:47AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's not a dangerous game at all, it is an entirely reasonable and prudent response and frankly absurd to suggest otherwise i.e. that we shouldn't be more concerned about a new virus causing such impacts than known entities for example, the cold or known flu strains.
Yes, in assessing whether covid turns out to be more severe, we can use them as benchmarks. But to simply presume, oh it'll fall the same pattern as cold or flu is a dangerous game imo.

What does the long economic impacts have to do with whether people are experiencing long term symptoms or not???
Why are you deliberately muddying the waters by linking them somehow?
You are attempting to tie the two together in such a way as implying we should ignore or downplay such long term health repercussions for economic reasons. If that is your position I utterly reject it as dishonest.
If it's not your position, stop muddying the waters in such a way.

Social distancing, reducing contacts, being cut off from hobbies etc etc all have negative health effects and a depressed economy also has negative health effects. Those are facts.
What seems to be the accepted strategy is ASSUME covid has worse effects despite no solid data to back that up

Say my name · 07-10-2020 10:49AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Has everyone forgotten about all the house parties taking place back in the spring, black lives matter protests etc and still numbers dropped with a tiny proportion of people wearing masks...
But now all of a sudden fairly minor number of infringements are the cause of all the increases...

Just sit back and watch the maddening crowd.

Better still if you've a literary mind.
Write a book or diary on it.

yosemitesam1 · 07-10-2020 10:59AM

endainoz wrote: »

House parties in the spring were not that common, there were only a few blm protests in Ireland and while there wasn't 100% mask wearing there was a lot. What you didn't mention was that at the time of those protests cases were quite low anyway, due to the restrictions before that.

Are you trying to say that restrictions don't make a difference to cases rising or falling at all?

There was so many posts about house parties in the spring and nphet mentioned it numerous times as a major problem.
The effect of restrictions is overblown. We never had 100% compliance and numbers reduced, but yet there seems to be the belief now that a minority of people infringing on restrictions is the sole reason for the numbers increasing and if we do hit 100% compliance that all of a sudden we can eliminate covid.
Winter, workplaces, schools and other essential services will keep the virus present in our population even with all of the regulations followed to the letter.

odyssey06 · 07-10-2020 11:18AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

There was so many posts about house parties in the spring and nphet mentioned it numerous times as a major problem.
The effect of restrictions is overblown. We never had 100% compliance and numbers reduced, but yet there seems to be the belief now that a minority of people infringing on restrictions is the sole reason for the numbers increasing and if we do hit 100% compliance that all of a sudden we can eliminate covid.
Winter, workplaces, schools and other essential services will keep the virus present in our population even with all of the regulations followed to the letter.

Parties in spring and parties in winter with schools open are a totally different set of risks.
I don't see how you can say "the effect of restrictions is overblown".

It's not the sole reason, but indoor parties (likely to be indoor as we head into winter) have potential to be large scale super-spreader events. More so than workplaces or other essential services.
If you have super-spreader events and schools open, that is going to make it very hard to contain clusters & keep it out of households even those following the restrictions.

Mooooo · 07-10-2020 11:30AM

It's simple enough really, everyone back to work, sport and school back happening so there was more interactions therefore cases go up. No one area to blame imo. The problem will be the same one every winter, health service is badly managed. Whether or not covid makes it worse will remain to be seen.

whelan2 · 07-10-2020 11:34AM

10%increase in covid related hospital admissions in 12 hours. Nursing home situation getting worrying again

endainoz · 07-10-2020 12:23PM

whelan2 wrote: »

10%increase in covid related hospital admissions in 12 hours. Nursing home situation getting worrying again

And this is entirely the point of why higher restrictions should be in already. How will the hospital admissions look like this time next week?

We got cases down to single figures in the summer, hard to imagine that now. This isnt some faux outrage either, the knock of effect from a prolonged lockdown could be devastating. Not just for businesses, but for other medical issues, cancer screenings, elective procedures, all getting pushed to the side. If it had been level 5, strictly obeyed for four weeks, I'd even give the guards extra and then open again I'd be ok with it. East German/Soviet Russia/China for four weeks? If it ment a shorter lockdown overall, I'd take it.

There is no good solution, but I'd be one for taking the short term hit now rather than when it's too late.

Water John · 07-10-2020 01:53PM

The decision has as much to do with prioritising essential service. Schools have a knock on for parents who work in the economy also. It is a matter of trade offs. Other areas are restricted in order to let schools continue.

07-10-2020 03:29PM

Water John wrote: »

The decision has as much to do with prioritising essential service. Schools have a knock on for parents who work in the economy also. It is a matter of trade offs. Other areas are restricted in order to let schools continue.

Passed a national school yesterday at pick up time, fair sized groups of parents waiting outside chatting. Not one mask to be seen.

endainoz · 07-10-2020 03:43PM

Jjameson wrote: »

Restrictions need to be directly targeting areas like this.
Schools are staying open because children are now recognised as not being the enormous vectors of transmission they were thought to be in the beginning. Strong healthy young people are going to have to be let carry on living in tandem with protecting the vulnerable. Lock downs will not create any immunity in the populace that will bring the circuit breaks needed in the long term.

So what do you suggest? Lock up old people?

Morris Moss · 07-10-2020 03:50PM

endainoz wrote: »

So what do you suggest? Lock up old people?

How about this for a mad suggestion, let people themselves make up their own minds on what they want to do.

endainoz · 07-10-2020 04:32PM

Morris Moss wrote: »

How about this for a mad suggestion, let people themselves make up their own minds on what they want to do.

Because that went so well in the UK at the beginning.

endainoz · 07-10-2020 04:39PM

Jjameson wrote: »

Not lock them up but keep them as far away from physical contact and shared air of the population as practically possible. let advise level 5 restrictions for anyone vulnerable that can’t fight the virus.. more Ppe and testing of care workers and and frontline staff and anyone else who has to come in contact with them. This is where the conversation needs to be.
The lockdown in the start was about this being an indiscriminate killer. It has been proven NOT
to be a discriminate killer.
This is never going to be got back into a bottle and no amount of nationwide restrictions are going to eradicate it. So a steady rate of infection of fit healthy young people is important to make any real progress when there’s no vaccine in sight.

So lock them up essentially is what your saying, they are staying away as it is anyway. If it's not as widespread in the community then. If it's runs rampant in younger people that are less at risk then they might as well stay locked up for the rest of their days.

It came close to being in the bottle when cases got to single figures in the summer. Why did this happen? Because of restrictions obviously. No gatherings meant no spread, it's not that difficult to comprehend.

greysides · 07-10-2020 04:50PM

There's a debate that's similar to this discussion going on in the UK at the moment.

https://news.sky.com/story/scientists-and-politicians-split-over-how-to-tackle-rising-covid-infections-as-northern-leaders-say-restrictions-are-not-working-12096597

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