Coronavirus Pandemic Information- Local and Worldwide

yosemitesam1 · 06-10-2020 05:11AM

Neddyusa wrote: »

That's antibody testing though, so will only tell if you had recent viral challenge.
You might have been infected in March and not show antibodies in test now.

Add to that blood antibody response was only likely in a minority of cases. Between a localised antibody response in mucosal surfaces, t cells, those who were simply strong enough to never actually allow an infection to take hold and that the blood samples were taken in June

yosemitesam1 · 06-10-2020 05:30AM

Water John wrote: »

I think they got it about right. Level 3 lads and cop yere selves on. The people have 3 weeks to 'flatten the curve'.

To what extent can restrictions actually halt things is questionable. We were hearing about lots of house parties through April/May but cases were falling as social contact was increasing.
We have introduced masks since then and what have they done?
To what extent spread will remain through shops, schools and other workplaces is pretty much unknown. Blaming the people for positive numbers is far too simplistic as the biggest factors in it's spread are outside of the control of anyone

_Brian · 06-10-2020 06:16AM

Speaking to someone last
Night and they say the Government have themselves in an impossible position with the teachers and that’s why they can’t go to L5.

The feeling is the teachers unions would pull the plug and teachers walk from classrooms as they won’t want to be there. The government need to come to some agreement with the unions over this. Chap was saying that it’s likely that it could be L4.5, L4 plus close the schools
Everyone has different angles and interesting ideas.

The letter from NEPHIT should never have been in the public domain at all, I don’t know how it was released but someone needs a beat down over that.

Maybe without GAA gatherings both on and off the pitch, without religious gatherings inside and outside houses of worship numbers may start to go down.

Say my name · 06-10-2020 06:39AM

alps wrote: »

Gonna throw another perspective in the mix..

Daughter lives in Dublin, with Nurses and social circles would take in more.

One group of Italian nurses contracted covid back in April, got through fine but have residual issues with taste which for Italians is a bit of a disaster.

Anyway, one of them wanted to head home to Italy to visit parents in August (Italy on green list), so.arranged a test for himself before travelling (as parents elderly).

Shocked when the result came back positive. In consultation with his doctor, he was informed that many who had previously contracted the virus can again test positive to that original event and to ignore the new findings and continue with his trip.

Nurses in the house are finding the same thing happening in their hospital where patients (all tested) are testing positive but had contracted the virus previously in March/April..

The obvious question from this is, how many of the current positives (asked to test as being deemed a close contact) are actually residuals from last spring where the may not have noticed having the virus.

If this happens to be an actual phenomenon, it would answer the current run of low admissions and deaths relative to cases.

If we pull through the next 6 to 8 weeks with this relatively high positive rate but with the corresponding low death rate, it could mean we are looking at the light at the end of the tunnel and a confidence to return to normal while accepting the likelihood of picking up the virus.

If this information is out there in the medical community for months now and we still have a high positive testing rate in the next 6 to 8 weeks we'll be in level 5.

Don't kid yourself. It's become about highlighting how our hospital infrastructure is the worst in Europe according to Nphet and keeping that highlighted by using the threat of level 5 in their box.

whelan2 · 06-10-2020 06:45AM

_Brian wrote: »

Speaking to someone last
Night and they say the Government have themselves in an impossible position with the teachers and that’s why they can’t go to L5.

The feeling is the teachers unions would pull the plug and teachers walk from classrooms as they won’t want to be there. The government need to come to some agreement with the unions over this. Chap was saying that it’s likely that it could be L4.5, L4 plus close the schools
Everyone has different angles and interesting ideas.

The letter from NEPHIT should never have been in the public domain at all, I don’t know how it was released but someone needs a beat down over that.

Maybe without GAA gatherings both on and off the pitch, without religious gatherings inside and outside houses of worship numbers may start to go down.

Apparently it was the government who leaked the letter not nephet

wrangler · 06-10-2020 06:47AM

Say my name wrote: »

If this information is out there in the medical community for months now and we still have a high positive testing rate in the next 6 to 8 weeks we'll be in level 5.

Don't kid yourself. It's become about highlighting how our hospital infrastructure is the worst in Europe according to Nphet and keeping that highlighted by using the threat of level 5 in their box.

We've had the worst health service in Europe for years now, we also have the most expensive health service in Europe per head of population, the whole thing has stank for years now.
The chickens are coming home to roost now and the schools are no better.
If the health service was competent we wouldn't be bankrupting businesses due to fear of putting a poor health service under pressure

kerryjack · 06-10-2020 07:06AM

Teachers saved the day. they won't go in and every one else staying at home.

06-10-2020 07:41AM

_Brian wrote: »

teachers walk from classrooms as they won’t want to be there.

My partner is teacher and I can tell ya through the first lockdown herself and the teachers she talks to would have preferred to be in school. Teaching from home over the internet was a ****ing horror story for them. A lot of school management had no plan for remote teaching, all the technology was new and unfamiliar, there were every day technology hurdles to be overcome, kids weren't turning up at the times they were meant to. Every single class took significantly longer than it would have done in a classroom setting. This on top of the usual grind of being locked down, restricted movements, and having kids at home to mind. We both work, particularly coming into the Winter months with short days and frequent bad weather making them shorter still, we have a young family and how do people expect this circle to be squared working longer hours from home, me having to be out, and having to mind kids at the same time. I'm not having a go at you Brian, but it's a cop out making teachers scapegoats. It's like Varadker having a go at Holohan the last night, he didn't do it when he was in the top job but now with Martin unpopular it's politically handy for him to have a clip at Holohan with an eye to the next election.

NcdJd · 06-10-2020 08:20AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Apparently it was the government who leaked the letter not nephet

Whoever leaked that letter should be put up against a wall and shot. Things bad enough having to go into level 3 but alot of people worried sick about their jobs and businesses over the weekend.

Brother works for a plant hire company they are all now been put on a 3 day week. Mortgage and kids. Building activitity being reduced due to all the uncertainty out there.

More enforcement of the measures need to be done, no point bringing in restrictions and not having any proper enforcement of the restrictions. Fcking joke shop.

endainoz · 06-10-2020 08:42AM

Gillespy wrote: »

Cases man. How many cases would we have had in March/April time with proper testing.

Is Boards acting up again or did I read about us maybe having a situation like Northern Italy? Totally unnecessary to be putting that out there, fair enough seven months ago but now?

This really shouldn't have to explained, cases are going up, hospital admissions going up, inevitably deaths will go up. Yes we can treat things better, but we can't cure it yet. 10% of patients still feel effects months after diagnosis. Long term effects are just no known yet.

Boards isn't acting up at all, it's perfectly fine to bring up what happened in Italy. We have a horrendous health system in this country and we will not have the capacity to deal with it. Our beds get filled every winter anyway, regardless of covid or not.

This was an economic decision made by the government, not a health one. Leo was quick to change his tune from a few months ago.

whelan2 · 06-10-2020 08:49AM

Having my breakfast and listening to eldest lads lecture. Class was to start at 9.30. Lads still coming in now, technical difficulties meant he had to restart the lecture. Would be grand if rural Ireland had a proper broadband service. Must be very stressful on those delivering the lecture

Welding Rod · 06-10-2020 09:29AM

Six o clock news last night, showing cars from as far south as Cork and Waterford, up in Newry shopping.
Dear Lord ..... have people even a molecule of cop on??

trixi2011 · 06-10-2020 10:21AM

I've a very simplistic view on Corona in Ireland at the moment I look on the rising cases and think it's completely down to circumstances. All summer people met up with family and friends but in summer most houses will have window doors open or people met in gardens etc. Now with the weather changing people are meeting in indoors in centrally heated buildinging with little or no movement of air . Put it into farming perspective what happens if you get a viruses into a shed with poor ventilation? It spreads like wild fire and you either have to vaccinate or let it spread and treat the animals accorrdingly.

Say my name · 06-10-2020 11:09AM

I suppose there's no point in giving people already confirmed that they had the virus, a vaccine if when it becomes available?

wrangler · 06-10-2020 11:18AM

Say my name wrote: »

I suppose there's no point in giving people already confirmed that they had the virus, a vaccine if when it becomes available?

There's no guarantee, when tested some victims of the virus had no antibodies after. whether a vaccine will create antibodies every time will be interesting

Say my name · 06-10-2020 11:41AM

wrangler wrote: »

There's no guarantee, when tested some victims of the virus had no antibodies after. whether a vaccine will create antibodies every time will be interesting

Yea it'll have the same result as the actual virus.
However there's t and b cell immunity that gives immunity as well as antibodies.

davidk1394 · 06-10-2020 12:24PM

Hopefully someone might point me in the right direction. My father was in the doctors late last week. Both doctors have come back positive for covid. Both my father and doctor were wearing masks and were talking for less than 10 minutes. The surgery isn't open today and I rang on numerous occasions and kept getting a voice mail saying they are closed. What should I do next ?

endainoz · 06-10-2020 12:49PM

davidk1394 wrote: »

Hopefully someone might point me in the right direction. My father was in the doctors late last week. Both doctors have come back positive for covid. Both my father and doctor were wearing masks and were talking for less than 10 minutes. The surgery isn't open today and I rang on numerous occasions and kept getting a voice mail saying they are closed. What should I do next ?

Get a test, they're free and you'll have results next day. You could call some other local doctor to get referred.

_Brian · 06-10-2020 12:55PM

Say my name wrote: »

I suppose there's no point in giving people already confirmed that they had the virus, a vaccine if when it becomes available?

Depends on the vaccine and it’s details.
Antibodies protection is limited, if the vaccine gave longer protection it would be worth getting.

whelan2 · 06-10-2020 01:17PM

davidk1394 wrote: »

Hopefully someone might point me in the right direction. My father was in the doctors late last week. Both doctors have come back positive for covid. Both my father and doctor were wearing masks and were talking for less than 10 minutes. The surgery isn't open today and I rang on numerous occasions and kept getting a voice mail saying they are closed. What should I do next ?

If you're on the covid tracker app theres a number to ring or I think you can live chat

Water John · 06-10-2020 01:20PM

I wouldn't take much comfort (sorry) on the 15 min rule. The virus hasn't a stopwatch. Get a test for him.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-10-2020 02:17PM

davidk1394 wrote: »

Hopefully someone might point me in the right direction. My father was in the doctors late last week. Both doctors have come back positive for covid. Both my father and doctor were wearing masks and were talking for less than 10 minutes. The surgery isn't open today and I rang on numerous occasions and kept getting a voice mail saying they are closed. What should I do next ?

He should isolate and family members in contact with him should isolate too. Arrange a test for him and stay isolated until the test comes back negative.

Even with masks, there's still a chance of infection but the exposure rate should be low enough not to cause problems.

I received the results of a test last night at 11 that was done at 3pm yesterday. Kids off school and herself working from home. We were fairly certain the symptoms were due to receiving a flu vaccination last week but better safe than potentially infecting more.

davidk1394 · 06-10-2020 03:32PM

whelan2 wrote: »

If you're on the covid tracker app theres a number to ring or I think you can live chat

On the App. Doctor got in touch, it was the other doctor who was in the surgery at the time who was positive. My fathers doctor got tested and came back negative.

greysides · 07-10-2020 12:06AM

Chronic lasting effects of Covid-19 infection:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54296223

Can last irrespective of disease severity.

_Brian · 07-10-2020 06:25AM

greysides wrote: »

Chronic lasting effects of Covid-19 infection:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54296223

Can last irrespective of disease severity.

Chap who works for me was 12 weeks recovering. He is 52, fit healthy no underlying conditions and wasn’t very sick when positive. Deteriorated afterwards and had three antibiotics retested twice for covid. He hadn’t taken it seriously in the beginning at all. He’s better now back out on the bike and everything.

07-10-2020 07:07AM

greysides wrote: »

Chronic lasting effects of Covid-19 infection:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54296223

Can last irrespective of disease severity.

I've been seeing reports for months of people suffering relatively long term (given how long the virus has been around) effects. For me that's the most concerning thing about Covid and why I go out of my way not to chance picking it up. It'd be one thing if it was an illness one picks up, sick for a week or two then recovery. I saw a relatively young man who had it a while back, he said if he walked 300 meters to the local shop he'd be out of action for the following three days. Not so easy manage a farm with something like that.

odyssey06 · 07-10-2020 07:25AM

_Brian wrote: »

Chap who works for me was 12 weeks recovering. He is 52, fit healthy no underlying conditions and wasn’t very sick when positive. Deteriorated afterwards and had three antibiotics retested twice for covid. He hadn’t taken it seriously in the beginning at all. He’s better now back out on the bike and everything.

Just to note this would be classed as a mild infection under the stats as it did not require hospitalisation. So when you are reading stats that 80% of infections are mild, this is one of them. I don't think it meets the lay person's concept of mild

yosemitesam1 · 07-10-2020 09:02AM

Settle lads, the newest estimate in that article was 1 in 50 had some recurring symptoms 2 months later. That's not very high especially when some of those symptoms would be caused/made worse by the restrictions on society

07-10-2020 09:16AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Settle lads, the newest estimate in that article was 1 in 50 had some recurring symptoms 2 months later. That's not very high especially when some of those symptoms would be caused/made worse by the restrictions on society

If you get it it becomes 100%, that's the issue.

yosemitesam1 · 07-10-2020 09:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you get it it becomes 100%, that's the issue.

These same types of side effects have always been occurring from hundreds of common viruses. Too many people have gotten addicted to the relentless hysteria

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