2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

eagle eye wrote: »

You see I made a statement of fact which is that Kamala Harris got promoted twice while sleeping with the man who promoted her. I didn't say anything else.

Your then go lying and say that I'm a misogynist and claim that I believe that all women must sleep their way to the top.

I'd like an apology for those lies. Or if not back it up with proof because I'm 100% certain I never said anything like that.

You said Biden had dementia and Harris had an affair.
Both lies.
We see your agenda.

Cody montana wrote:

You said Biden had dementia and Harris had an affair. Both lies. We see your agenda.

An affair is another word for a relationship kept under wraps. This relationship was kept quiet until the media got word of it.
As for Biden, I never said he has dementia, I said it looked like he had to me. Iv already explained my reasons for that in this thread today.

From the words of his own doctor (or propagandist the way the press conference went), Trump knew about the diagnosis for days but still went campaigning and even to a fundraiser while having symptoms and receiving treatment.

They also never told the Biden team.

Unsurprised by the utter recklessness and how quickly their story is unraveling.

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1312423170230677507?s=20

Here is the current timeline.

Even if he gets better, this is something that will haunt him for the rest of the election.

https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1312428988212678656?s=20

Deleted User wrote:

A person not going public in relation to a relationship is not an affair. I've dated a work colleague previously, we were private about it. It was not an affair. Also a woman dating a work colleague tends to be treated as far more tawdry by certain types so it's pretty understandable. You claiming it was an affair does a similar thing. Also the relationship was long over by the time she ran for office, there's no indication it was a relationship to further her career...

I never said she slept her way to the top. How this whole thing came up was me wondering if Pence would go there in their debate.
Fact is she got promoted twice while they were in a relationship. If you don't think that leaves it wide open to being questioned, as regards those two promotions, then our opinion on that differs.
I never mentioned or suggested that she slept her way to the top. I have the utmost respect for women in the workplace and everywhere else too.
I've seen women overlooked for promotion that imo should have gotten it and made my opinion known to those who selected men ahead of them.

The accusations being levelled against me in this thread are quite serious.

You seem like a very fair poster to me unlike some others.

eagle eye wrote: »

You see I made a statement of fact which is that Kamala Harris got promoted twice while sleeping with the man who promoted her. I didn't say anything else.

Your then go lying and say that I'm a misogynist and claim that I believe that all women must sleep their way to the top.

I'd like an apology for those lies. Or if not back it up with proof because I'm 100% certain I never said anything like that.

she wasn't promoted. she was a deputy DA that was appointed to two political positions on state boards. she quit her job as deputy DA and returned to it when those two positions ended.

There were a few times in this debate Graham just seemed to signal he has been in government way too long, but this one was just silly to soundbyte:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1312554910769061888?s=20

So nothing major, cetainly within the MoE. What would be concerning is that there is no positive movement for Trump. He needs to be shifting the needle, starting to gain momentum. Part of what helps a race is a momentum for one side or the other. Trump certainly got a momentum in 2016, and despite HC being in the lead Trtump always looked like he was closing in.

This feels very different. Of course the Covid may well have an effect, but I doubt it will be a major one. People are so divided already, there are going to be very few that change from Biden to Trump just because Trump survived the virus.

And the dynamic has changed. For the last few weeks Trump has been blasting Biden for being holed up in his basement. People questioning Bidens energy etc. But now we have Trump holed up, for perfectly sound reasons but holed up nonetheless, in the hospital.

Trup was able to drive the line that a vote for Biden is actually a vote for Harris, but that possibility (for Pence) is more stark.

letowski wrote: »

The race should really be naturally tightening up though. Biden is still polling nationally at +7 or 8 points. I think Biden will win but it doesn't seem plausible that he will win by this much. Most models have long term tightening built into the code script, so long as the polls show at least somewhat closer race. But less than a month out, if anything, Biden is extending his lead.

I don't think Trump getting is Covid-19 is good news at all for his campaign either. Whatever about him not getting sympathy votes, it puts Covid-19 front and center of the political discourse in the run up to the election. Trump is hemorrhaging votes among white suburban and working class women and among the elderly, two voting blocks he won in 2016 by 2 and 11 points respectively. Ipsos ran a poll there showing Covid-19 as the most important issue facing America, while pretty much every poll shows an opinion that Trump has handled the pandemic crisis poorly. And that would particularly apply to those two voter demographics.

To be honest, a email server like scandal seems to be the thing that will save Trump now. But even still, as you have said, there is so little undecideds left, it may not be enough.

Biden up to 10 points now nationally according to Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/biden-leads-by-10-points-as-majority-of-americans-say-trump-could-have-avoided-coronavirus-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN26P0DB

The best part of October is finally here

gmisk wrote: »

Graham is really struggling very little in it in the polls for his state! Would be pretty momentous for South Carolina if it went to democrats. Harrison is also raising serious money by looks of it

LG platform in a nutshell:

"My opponent is raising money from Liberal States!" / what is LG's position on FEC v Citizens United? The Head of the Senate Judiciary Cmte! He *believes* dark money is a first amendment right!

"Liberal takeover! Activist judges! Taxes, and DEATH!"

Jaime Harrison could have gone on way more attacks than he ended up doing and spent the time sending very clear messages about his concern for the people in the state within the context of SC, Graham meanwhile just talked about doom on the national level, and on anything involving the state he mentioned Tim Scott. as a vote that just tells me Tim Scott and Jaime Harrison should be who I am sending to DC, because Jaime actually put forward a vision for the state, whereas Graham had a defensive diatribe for why he needed to be left in place, decades into his government career. Graham even brought up apropos of nothing how much money he has, how well off he is, and how set for life he is with his government benefits :eek:.
LG made 2 cases the other night: 1) why you need to keep me (Death, Taxes, Liberal apocalypse stuff), 2) Why you should vote me out Nov 3.

I think he's doomed himself but I am constantly over-estimating the political enlightenment of the South Carolina electorate. There's a recording of the debate online I'd love to hear other peoples thoughts on it. I think of the 2 candidates just on raw debate poise and skill alone I'd rather have a debater like Harrison representing the state on the federal level than Graham, who just tonally seems harder to follow, more tangents and waffle, etc. so if it came down to the SC delegation making a compelling argument to the Congress I'd much rather Harrison, but I guess you'd have to watch the debate to get what I mean.

they also released a second set of photos of him that were meant to look like he was working hard. the second setnwere taken in a different room. except they were taken only 10 minutes apart from the first set. Still, 10 minutes is probably more work than trump has done in months.
https://twitter.com/DevinCow/status/1312620674746286080

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Many outlets tonight reporting that President Trump could be back at The White House as early as tomorow. Great news. Hopefully a speedy recovery from this terrible disease will serve as inspiration to those in high risk categorys.

Would your preference be that Trump is re-elected?

This from a doctor at the hospital where Trump is staying. His drive by for an ego boost has likely put the lives of secret service officers at risk. Like the White House photo-op, this is going to be another own goal.

https://twitter.com/DrPhillipsMD/status/1312867868028141568?s=20

https://eu.heraldtribune.com/story/news/crime/2020/10/02/manatee-county-man-requests-mail-ballot-dead-wife-sheriff-says/5893307002/

A Manatee County man was arrested Thursday and charged with a third-degree felony after he requested a mail ballot for his dead wife because he was “testing the system to see if it worked,” the Manatee County Sheriff’s Office reports.

Deputies were alerted on Sept. 17 and later interviewed Wiggins. The registered Democrat told them he was “testing the system.”