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tudderone · 18-09-2020 4:57pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJPXKGL1PHs

Uinseann_16 · 18-09-2020 5:17pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Heel spurs are known more in our part of the world as "flat feet" in military parlance.And back then it was a an excuse.Nowadays not so much with orthopedic inserts and boots and allowing troops some leeway in personalising their equipment within specified parameters.

Be more inclined to say it should and is benefical,as if you have experianced the nasty side of war first hand,you mightnt be too hasty to unleash it on some other mothers sons.

Heel spurs are a different thing:P
I have flat feet (very low arches) and its never caused me any issues i know people who have high arches that suffer far more than i do while carrying weight and walking:D

Grizzly 45 · 19-09-2020 1:26pm

Might have misunderstood the last paragraph on them both being the same?My bad.

Why did “heel spurs” exempt people from military service?
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The New York Times released an article (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html) that claims President Trump was given the diagnosis of “heel spurs” so he would be exempt from military service. Putting aside the ethical, moral and political components of this story; one might wonder why heel spurs would disqualify someone from service.

A heel spur is actually an abnormal outgrowth of bone of the calcaneus (heel bone). They may occur on just one foot or both. The tissue on the bottom of the foot called the plantar fascia attaches to the bottom of the heel bone and when stressed, can produce a spur of the bone due to the traction that is occurred with the stress of the fascia attachment. It is the plantar fascia that actually causes the pain.

Heel pain is VERY common. One estimate is that there are 5 million Americans that have heel pain at a given time. Approximately 35-40% of patients at Family Podiatry Center present with the complaint of heel pain.

Plantar fasciitis developed as a diagnosis to more accurately define the source of the pain over time and it takes on definite course with consistent symptoms of pain in the morning and after periods of rest. More recently, some podiatric physicians that specialize in heel pain recognize that there are two forms of plantar fasciitis including a chronic version called plantar fasciosis. “The plantar fascia is much easier to treat before it becomes chronic”, Reid explains, “and it’s important to seek treatment from a qualified podiatrist once the pain cycle changes.” Chronic plantar fascial damage will not respond to the traditional treatments and may require regenerative medical treatments.

So why did “heel spurs” exempt people from military service? Aside from being very painful, heel pain was often associated with “flat feet” which tire easily. Nowadays, both flat feet and heel pain are easily maintained using custom orthotic devices and no long pose a threat to our soldiers

Feisar · 25-09-2020 9:58am

Would Sako not bring out a left handed .223 Varmint, I could put it in a McMillan A3 and we'd all be happy!

Grizzly 45 · 28-09-2020 12:31pm

Intresting article on our friends in AGS firearms policies and history.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda-firearms-usage-scant-data-and-little-public-debate-1.4365836?fbclid=IwAR0Akyq34rTIvBKrH1WDqIPy70774eGju_MN9jmcfeO6NLs2oN0hd4c0zo

And a blast from the archives of 2015

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/gun-lobbyists-urge-rethink-of-firearms-legislation-1.2074517

tudderone · 28-09-2020 10:49pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Intresting article on our friends in AGS firearms policies and history.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda-firearms-usage-scant-data-and-little-public-debate-1.4365836?fbclid=IwAR0Akyq34rTIvBKrH1WDqIPy70774eGju_MN9jmcfeO6NLs2oN0hd4c0zo

And a blast from the archives of 2015

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/gun-lobbyists-urge-rethink-of-firearms-legislation-1.2074517

Nah, from todays papers i was reading about the melon (greens) party having a civil war

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Cass · 29-09-2020 11:33am

Someone in the Irish Times has a "insert crude term" for An Gardaí lately.

Two articles in as many days regarding An Gardaí and their use of firearms.

The first article yesterday, talks of how they started as an armed force and were stripped of their firearms due to lack of trust to the increase in Gardaí that are either armed or firearm trained.

The second one this morning regarding the amount of Garda shootings over the past 5 years and a claim almost 35% were AD (or as we know most ADs are not accidents so they're NDs).

Grizzly 45 · 29-09-2020 12:19pm

And we have an editorial as well.
But all in all it does make a utter mockery of certain statements made by Cheif Supers and Garda balistics in the court cases over the years about competency and saftey of "mere civillians"having access to high capacity and semi auto firearms.

If a quarter of those incidents had happened to us,we'd be pointing broomsticks or our fingers at our targets and yelling BANG! at them by now.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-garda-firearm-use-losing-track-of-the-guns-1.4366705?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Feditorial%2Fthe-irish-times-view-on-garda-firearm-use-losing-track-of-the-guns-1.4366705

Cass · 30-09-2020 12:04am

Anyone else sitting up for the debate tonight?

I'm looking forward to it. One one side you'll have Trump with:

"I'm the greatest, i'm soooo good, i invented good, it's the best, its going to be lovely"

And on the other side you'll have Biden Wondering where he is, how he got there, and talking about hairy legs for 29 minutes (cos his team want breaks every 30 minutes).

Going to be priceless no matter which side you fall on. However i'd love to see Trump search Biden. He [Trump] wanted him [Biden] checked for ear pieces and other electronic prompters. Imagine Trump frisking Biden down as they shake hands.

Worse case scenario for the the Biden camp if Joe goes rogue:

At which point you'll have someone from Biden's team run out and try to fix it before he is asked another question.

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tudderone · 30-09-2020 12:34am

I thought the democrats would put up a better candidate than Biden, the man is mentally decrepit. He gets aggressive and insulting if anyone questions him, wanders around talking to himself, rambles on like a cracked record, gets touchy feely with kids ffs, and his and his son Hunters, dealing with Ukraine stink to high heaven.

Biden will have lost the vote of anyone who is a serious gun owner, as he has Beto O'Rourke in tow talking about what they are going to ban, ar14's with the 100 round clips etc. "All you need for hunting is a shotgun, man".

I was reading an article the weekend about countries who gain great power in the world, and become superpowers. The author said countries like Britain, Spain, France and now America, last at the top for about 100 years and then start to decline rapidly. America became a superpower in the aftermath of the first world war, which is 100 + years ago now.

When you see American cities in serious decline like Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, Los Angeles, even New York, plus the unrest, maybe America is in decline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91nPiokrF-U

Cass · 30-09-2020 11:10am

Got a few minutes into it, then the shouting between the two of them got on my nerves so i turned it off.

Watched some "highlights" this morning and seems i missed a towering intellectual debate ............................. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

tudderone · 30-09-2020 1:00pm

Cass wrote: »

Got a few minutes into it, then the shouting between the two of them got on my nerves so i turned it off.

Watched some "highlights" this morning and seems i missed a towering intellectual debate ............................. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Sure we can't talk Cass, we have some right eejits on the scene in this country.

Grizzly 45 · 30-09-2020 1:14pm

Just watched it...That was an 1and 1/2 hours of comedy. On a Looney Tunes cartoon level.
Trump " Name me one police dept that supports you?"
Biden "We haven't time for this!"
Trump "No time to say "Zero?" ..Ok Bub!"

Cass · 30-09-2020 1:25pm

Trump, regardless of how you feel politically, came off worse.

He dropped the bar so low for Joe that just turning up would be seen as a win and he played right into that trap. Joe, given his past gaffes, was better than i've seen in some months. He avoided questions like the plague, but that is down to his experience as a politician, a trait Trump does not have.

The "moderator" was biased in my opinion. He showed a clear favoritism for Biden that was evident and sometimes outright obvious.

However none of that excuses Trump's poor performance. He spent the night shouting, interrupting and defending himself rather than staying calm and attacking Joe on his record. Trump is not capable of that level of calmness and his emotional instability will not serve him well.

Lastly when Trump was up against hillary he seemed more Presidential, was physically bigger/taller and combined with people's distrust of hillary and their want for change, his shortcomings were not as noticeable to some. Against Biden who is better liked, same stature as Trump, and more trusted than hillary Trump is in a fight that he has not had before so using the same old techniques and relying on people's "protest vote" won't work.

Be interesting to see the next two debates, plus i'm looking forward to the VP debate. Pence should be better and more usd to such things.

tudderone · 30-09-2020 1:29pm

The Irish property developers cover themselves in glory again :mad:

Knocking down the house of 1916 leader, the O'Rahilly. Barstewards.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0929/1168260-orahilly-house-dublin/

BattleCorp · 30-09-2020 2:47pm

tudderone wrote: »

The Irish property developers cover themselves in glory again :mad:

Knocking down the house of 1916 leader, the O'Rahilly. Barstewards.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0929/1168260-orahilly-house-dublin/

It wasn't a listed building as far as I can see and the developer had planning permission for a 105 apartment block on that site. Blame the council for only recently starting the process to have the building listed. It it was that important, why didn't they have it listed years ago.

Mellor · 30-09-2020 2:54pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

It wasn't a listed building as far as I can see and the developer had planning permission for a 105 apartment block on that site. Blame the council for only recently starting the process to have the building listed. It it was that important, why didn't they have it listed years ago.

Complete speculation. But it’s possible the owners had no interest in having it listed. The ins often outweigh the positives.

BattleCorp · 30-09-2020 2:56pm

Mellor wrote: »

Complete speculation. But it’s possible the owners had no interest in having it listed. The ins often outweigh the positives.

You are right. The owners didn't want it listed. They wanted the site for apartments. A very valuable site given where it's located. Far more valuable now with no listed house on it. But if it was that important to have it listed, why did the Council only start the process a short while ago and not donkeys years ago.

They don't need the owners permission to have it listed.

Mellor · 30-09-2020 3:25pm

Cass wrote: »

However none of that excuses Trump's poor performance. He spent the night shouting, interrupting and defending himself rather than staying calm and attacking Joe on his record. Trump is not capable of that level of calmness and his emotional instability will not serve him well.

I haven’t watched the debate yet, and may not watch more than the highlights. But I think that post (all of it) is a good summary of the hurdles for Trump this time.

He hasn’t got the statute card. The crooked Hillary card. Hilary allowed him to play a character, a foil to the system. He can’t do that this time. But when confronted, he appears to fall back on playbook from the last time.

A good example is his tax returns. The NYT claims he essentially hasn’t paid tax in years.
He immediately used the same excuse as last time, that the IRS publicly refuted the last time.

Uinseann_16 · 30-09-2020 3:41pm

Looks like PSAs parent company (Palmetto state armoury) is trying to buy Remington's ammunition section:pac:
And Ruger is trying to buy the Marlin brand
https://www.guns.com/news/ruger-vista-psa-tentative-winners-in-remington-breakup
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bankrupt-remington-gets-65-million-offer-for-ammunition-business-11599680366

I think Ruger taking over marlin could be a good thing for their lever guns

Mellor · 30-09-2020 4:17pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

You are right. The owners didn't want it listed. They wanted the site for apartments.

I was referring to the owners 20, 30 years ago.
Not the current site owners developing the site.

But if it was that important to have it listed, why did the Council only start the process a short while ago and not donkeys years ago.

Potential protected structures often only come to light when development is proposed.

They don't need the owners permission to have it listed.

I never said they need it. It’s simply a case that owner that proactively want to protect a building will nominate it for listing.

tudderone · 30-09-2020 4:26pm

Its a little bit of Irish history gone forever though, to build another eyesore of a glass and steel for some cynic with more money (and greed) than taste.

Grizzly 45 · 30-09-2020 8:06pm

Cass wrote: »

Trump, regardless of how you feel politically, came off worse.

He dropped the bar so low for Joe that just turning up would be seen as a win and he played right into that trap. Joe, given his past gaffes, was better than i've seen in some months. He avoided questions like the plague, but that is down to his experience as a politician, a trait Trump does not have.

The "moderator" was biased in my opinion. He showed a clear favoritism for Biden that was evident and sometimes outright obvious.

However none of that excuses Trump's poor performance. He spent the night shouting, interrupting and defending himself rather than staying calm and attacking Joe on his record. Trump is not capable of that level of calmness and his emotional instability will not serve him well.

Lastly when Trump was up against hillary he seemed more Presidential, was physically bigger/taller and combined with people's distrust of hillary and their want for change, his shortcomings were not as noticeable to some. Against Biden who is better liked, same stature as Trump, and more trusted than hillary Trump is in a fight that he has not had before so using the same old techniques and relying on people's "protest vote" won't work.

Be interesting to see the next two debates, plus i'm looking forward to the VP debate. Pence should be better and more usd to such things.

Still and all Biden lost his cool and showed his nastier side.He reminds me of the old aggressive bar fly lout who lives off his glory days stories,and turns nasty if questioned about them.Witness the time he took on the Union man about assault rifles in his campaign. "Will you shut up man?" was even better than his usual "Cmon Man!" outbursts. His denial of of ANTIFA as being a concept rather than a real threat,I'm sure will play well to those who have been intimiadated by them and those who support them.Then playing the " Im irish catholic " card to critique the Supreme court judge choice was naff.As the fuss about it.It's only been done 19 times before by both parties in American history,but its a problem because the court is now loaded with conservative judges to the Democrats.

All in all sofar the debate will not have convinced anyone to change their minds on either of them.Pity the Liberterian canditate Jo Jorgenson was excluded from this debate.An adult in the room might have helped.

Grizzly 45 · 30-09-2020 8:24pm

Mellor wrote: »

Complete speculation. But it’s possible the owners had no interest in having it listed. The ins often outweigh the positives.

If they ha the smarts They would avoid getting a building listed like the plague and all of Hells demons.
I own one. It is an utter curse ,as you can't really substantially change, or modify the interior or exterior,and everything must be replaced with original materials. and selling it is a nightmare,as who wants to take on property yo can do sFA with?

If the Irish people wanted this house kept,they should have been onto the corporation like decades ago to have it listed and preserved. Not that they[council] would have done much then as they would have just left it derelict due to lack of funds...:rolleyes:

tudderone · 30-09-2020 10:53pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

If they ha the smarts They would avoid getting a building listed like the plague and all of Hells demons.
I own one. It is an utter curse ,as you can't really substantially change, or modify the interior or exterior,and everything must be replaced with original materials. and selling it is a nightmare,as who wants to take on property yo can do sFA with?

If the Irish people wanted this house kept,they should have been onto the corporation like decades ago to have it listed and preserved. Not that they[council] would have done much then as they would have just left it derelict due to lack of funds...:rolleyes:

Councils not having money is a joke, when they do have it they squander it. They have just pedestrianised Dundrum village here in Dublin despite every business in the town protesting and objecting, and the major shopping centre there not happy about it either. No bugger wanted it, its ballsed things up for pedestrians and motorists, made getting to the Garda station in a car a nightmare, made it difficult to get hearses to the front of the church, as everybody said would happen. The council still did it. The Ballydung players isn't in it.

tudderone · 01-10-2020 1:38am

OOOOPS

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/leaving-cert-calculated-grades-errors-19023989

Mellor · 01-10-2020 6:53am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I own one. It is an utter curse ,as you can't really substantially change, or modify the interior or exterior,and everything must be replaced with original materials.

I'm being a bit simplistic here, but no modifications, maintain/replace with original materials, interior, exterior, curtilage all included in protection - the the safety net position. Mainly there to prevent people "accidentally" making a mess of things.
It's possible to make sympathetic additions and changes - if done correctly. But the extra work and cost involved is not to be sniffed at at, as you probably know.

I do know some people have had the interior delisted when it wasn't significant. Allowed them to make internal changes, while keeping the heritage facade.

Grizzly 45 · 01-10-2020 10:54am

]I'm being a bit simplistic here, but no modifications, maintain/replace with original materials, interior, exterior, curtilage all included in protection - the the safety net position. Mainly there to prevent people "accidentally" making a mess of things.

Well the trouble is too,building technology has moved on a tad too. Portland cement has been in use for the last 180 years as compared to quicklime cement.Which would give the h&S man a coronary,not to mind the eU shower a fit were it still in use today So there are soe stark choices.Do you use modern cement,or do you want the gable end of the historically significant house to collapse?Ditto things like roofs and windows.Yes blue Bangor slates are nice and dont grow moss and all the rest.But you need a craftsman to cut and lay them properly, there arent that many about,but there are plenty of roofers.

Yes.Johnny Fuksticks & Sons ,cowboy builders LTD are many and aplenty,and I've had my share of them too are out there.But it has to be also a reasonable cutting your cloth to your means if you have one of these places. Is it better to have a quarter of the slate roof replaced with tiles to stop more damage.Or to let it collapse completely,because the perservation Hitlers insist it must be redone with blue bangor slates? And lets not get on the subject of preserved farm outbuildings and yards that have entranceways designed for an ass and cart.Not a modern tractor and machinery,and trying to sort out things like widening them.

It's possible to make sympathetic additions and changes - if done correctly. But the extra work and cost involved is not to be sniffed at at, as you probably know.

I do asnd its an utter sick joke.

I do know some people have had the interior delisted when it wasn't significant. Allowed them to make internal changes, while keeping the heritage facade.

And Good LUCK to you with that here in Clare mate...We have a right little Nazi here. Who has categorically stated that his job is
"To preserve heritage buildings not accomadate the people who live in them"
If you have an AH like that in charge dont be surprised then if most owners just say FK it ,and let them go to rack and ruin..
It's the reason Newtown Perry will never be developed or renewed in Limerick.All the area is under perservation orders and in private ownership.
All of the buildings are not fit for purpose for 21st century town living,and toally disabled unfriendly.There are people who would gladly refurbish them,but the trouble is the perservation orders and then clashing with the fire and H&S legisation.All the floors are wood and supported by wooden beams.They have to be replaced with concrete or steel beams for living accomadation...So when you can get the fire cheif to agree with the beardy culture perservation Fascist on what can or cant be done...No one sane will touch those properties with a 20 foot pole.

tudderone · 01-10-2020 12:13pm

The problem is, if everything was left in the hand of developers, they would ride roughshod over everything that doesn't suit them. Anyone remember the lovely art deco garage on Townsend street in Dublin ? It was listed and the developer still flattened it. But was given a right sickener when he was told to rebuild it exactly as it was.

Do you thing St.Patricks cathedral or Dublin castle would be still standing if they had their way ?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/archer-s-garage-rebuilt-after-razing-1.1152577

Mellor · 01-10-2020 1:01pm

tudderone wrote: »

The problem is, if everything was left in the hand of developers, they would ride roughshod over everything that doesn't suit them. Anyone remember the lovely art deco garage on Townsend street in Dublin ? It was listed and the developer still flattened it. But was given a right sickener when he was told to rebuild it exactly as it was.

Do you thing St.Patricks cathedral or Dublin castle would be still standing if they had their way ?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/archer-s-garage-rebuilt-after-razing-1.1152577

That was a fairly rare and excellent example of a style of architecture that is simply not common in this country. Rebuilding was not the same, but what else could they do.
However, when you protect everything, the special examples mean less, and the protection afforded them seems weaker.

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