2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Kidchameleon wrote: »

They didn't even scan the documents properly, lob sided af

Yeah, they are terrible. Much better to lie constantly about releasing them and then refusing to release them once in office.

The rotters!

eire4 wrote: »

There is also no evidence that many who do not vote would not turn out to vote if given a viable reason either. The corporate owned Democrats have for 40 odd years in particular legislated for the wealth and big business. This has seen income inequality explode in the US as an example of how they have abandoned the best economic interests of the vast majority of Americans. The fact remains that the corporate Democrats legislate for the wealthy ang big business and other then some crumbs thrown out to the masses they could care less about the vast majority of Americans economically.

The ACA was and is a step in the right direction no question. However because it did not change the fundamental dynamics of for profit health care in the US health care premiums continue to rise and rise and are unsustainable. The corporate owned Democrats refused to countenance having a system that was anything other then based on profit and peoples ability to have good health care remains based on their ability to pay.

Your also correct the corporate Democrats got slaughtered for it in the initial years. Their bungled roll out of the ACA certainly did not help. Nor did the complex nature of the act nor the heavy administrative burden it put on doctors as examples. That is their own fault.

You're wrong, there is plenty of evidence. Look at Bernie, he ran twice on that kind of message and lost twice in the primaries. If he couldn't get support of mainstream democrats he would have been destroyed when you add in republicans and independents.

The US isn't what you think it is and their voting habits show it.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

One needs to be very careful with their words

Plausible deniability, Trump uses it a lot as well.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

A lot of "alleged" and "seem to" in you posts.

They are one step from 'many people are saying...'

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Absolutely, and as I sad, they are allegations at this point but the Veritas YouTube channel has videos that seem to back up their claims. There is also enough to get the Minneapolis police involved. Veritas are also known to drip feed information so expect more from them in the coming days/weeks.

Yeah. This time that crowd who produces all those misleading videos has finally released an honest video. Seems legit.


It shouldn't be too hard to find out if ballot harvesting was going on in a place and time when it was illegal.

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

As a neutral I find...

:pac:

salmocab wrote: »

The likes of project Veritas is something that everyone knows is going to turn out false but it distracts from other stuff going on, it fills space for people to make claims about the legitimacy of the election without having anything credible to say. Post the rubbish make a vague statement waste some time move on.

It's little more than a variation on "just asking questions"

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Yes Neutral.
Perhaps is your quest to reply so quick you completely ignored the fact, I don't like Trump either was maybe lost on you.


Or you chose to ignore it deliberately as it don't suit your narrative.
As bad as the republicans are, the democrats fans think and act like they have some moral highground, and superior to the trump supporters when in fact they come across, just as bitter, just as angry, vindictive and as bad at deflection.

Who do you think is more bitter, angry, vindictive and deflective. Biden or Trump?

duploelabs wrote: »

The fact that it cost 70 grand is the point you're missing

Was it a $5 haircut and $69,995 consultancy fees to a family member for style advice?

namloc1980 wrote: »

Interesting to see latest poll from North Dakota (hardcore Republican state) has Trump with a 19% lead over Biden as you'd expect. However Trump won ND by 36% in 2016. Even for a poll a 17 point swing is huge and well outside any margin of error. Signals even in the red heartland people are not all in on Trump as they were in 2016.

There is definitely a shift going on, you can even see it in Republican Texas where Biden is within 4 or 5 points of Trump. Texas should be a cake walk for the Republicans but now it isnt so they are having to spend money and resources there to ensure it doesnt flip Democrat.

Another factor is peoples motivation for voting, Fox News polls have shown that among strong Biden voters 63% of them are doing so not to vote for Biden but to vote against Trump. They've had four years of Trump and now they want him out. Many who stayed on the sidelines in 2016 because they didnt like Hillary will now be getting onto the pitch having realised they ended up with something far worse. Hatred of a candidate is a very powerful motivator to actually go out and vote and many voters will see this as their chance to get Trump out once and for all.

Foxtrol wrote: »

You're wrong, there is plenty of evidence. Look at Bernie, he ran twice on that kind of message and lost twice in the primaries. If he couldn't get support of mainstream democrats he would have been destroyed when you add in republicans and independents.

The US isn't what you think it is and their voting habits show it.

Ahh I see because I have a different view to you I am wrong.

I do not claim to have omniscient powers when it comes to the US. But nonetheless I can see that roughly half of Americans do not vote when you take the presidential and mid terms elections together. So clearly a vast swathe of Americans have given up on the system. I can also see that their system is utterly corrupted and dysfunctional with DC largely bought and paid for and that neither party has any interest in legislating for the best economic interests of the vast majority of Americans.

You mention the independent senator Bernie Sanders who ran in the last 2 presidential elections as a Democrat and did not win. Absolutely true. Although it does not prove anything about my point which is a contention that until the Democratic party stops being a corporate controlled party and returns to being an FDR style party they will continue to be what they are a corporate controlled party that legislates mostly in the wealthy's best interests and American will continue to decline overall as a country because given their system is so corrupt the alternative is a Republican party that at this point IMHO is only semi democratic party and is utterly bought and paid for by a very small group at the very top of the economic ladder.

Your last point is pure speculation. We will never know as he did nor run as the Democratic candidate with the parties full support in a general election. Personally I think he would have won in 2016 if he would of run with the full support of the Democratic party but that is pure speculation on my part also. We will never know.

As for your implication that you know what the US is and I do not well. Well I cannot agree with your omniscience about what the US is. We know that the US has roughly half it's population not vote so we cannot say with a certain knowledge how the US would look politically and economically if most of that half of the population did vote. What we can say with certainty is that the system is corrupted by money and dysfunctional to the point IMHO it is at best an oligarchy not a democracy.

My contention is that the Democrats should legislate in the best economic interests of the vast majority of Americans. They might lose in the short term but if they kept doing the right things I believe they would win in the long term. Republicans have played a long game to get to where they are and leave America in the sorry state it is. Democrats returning to an FDR style party might have to be a strategy that takes a while to come to full fruition as well. But aside from being the right thing to do it is also a good plan IMHO. Your focus seems to be laser beam on winning elections right now regardless of the consequences. That short term myopia has been what has lead the Democrats to where they are at and while they will and have won elections to an extent they have struggled fundamentally because all they really offer is that they are the lesser evil so any short term wins in the past have not translated long term because all along Republicans have played a long game and further corrupted the system in ways to maintain power as the corporate Democrats myopic thinking seems them unable to beat the Republicans at their own game in any fundamental way.