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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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    #8762
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,387 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i think that pretty much sums it up. it wont be a masterly display of oratory
    for sure

    Trump could talk about the oranges of the anomonousssus leaks of the Prump tax returns for the whole night, but if Biden has one simple stutter they'll focus all their attention on that. That's how low the bar is set for Trump and how high it's set for Biden.

    Biden must be flawless, and I don't trust him to be. He'll likely have a few prepared jokes that would play well if the debate was aired in 1968 but won't be a match for the spewing garbage that might come from Trump.

    The debate will be a sh*tshow for all concerned imo.


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    #8763
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    kowloonkev wrote: »
    How do they actually take polls? Is it anonymous?

    Yes , they are anonymous.

    There are online surveys and phone based surveys.

    They will ask screening/demographic questions - Age, Gender, Race , Education, Party Preference , if you are registered/likely to vote etc. and then they'll go through the questions.

    There is a school of thought that says that the mythical "Shy Trump voter" is more prevalent in phone surveys but multiple pollsters have done double-blind testing to show that there is a negligible difference in scoring between Phone and Web based surveys


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    #8764
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,312 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Penn wrote: »
    Trump could talk about the oranges of the anomonousssus leaks of the Prump tax returns for the whole night, but if Biden has one simple stutter they'll focus all their attention on that. That's how low the bar is set for Trump and how high it's set for Biden.

    Biden must be flawless, and I don't trust him to be. He'll likely have a few prepared jokes that would play well if the debate was aired in 1968 but won't be a match for the spewing garbage that might come from Trump.

    The debate will be a sh*tshow for all concerned imo.

    trump will suffer without an audience to whoop and holler. he wont know when he has hit his marks


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    #8765
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Igotadose wrote: »
    I miss the old days when you could respect the President when he opened his mouth. They weren't trying to amuse their audiences. They were hopefully telling it like it is, instead of lying.

    I don't remember any of them being laughed at during their address at the UN.

    Or hugging the flag like a horny koala bear.

    Cos you respected Reagan and both of the Bushes when they opened their traps, course you did.


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    #8766
    duploelabs
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Cos you respected Reagan and both of the Bushes when they opened their traps, course you did.

    Respected them a hell of a lot more than Trump, mainly due because they behaved with a sense of dignity that the office commands


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    #8767
    Quin_Dub
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    duploelabs wrote: »
    Respected them a hell of a lot more than Trump, mainly due because they behaved with a sense of dignity that the office commands

    This is the thing - You can be in violent disagreement with someone about Politics/Policies but still retain respect for them as a person or for the fact that they are true to their convictions.

    None of that applies to Trump.


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    #8768
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Mocking a stammer, your parents must be very proud of you

    Such fisher price outrage. The go-to tactic when Bidens cognitive decline is brought up.


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    #8769
    1800_Ladladlad
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    Yeah Trump has been running the country alright. Into the ground. Selfishly going around the country irresponsibly spreading covid at his embarassing rallies. He's a disgrace. The only reason expectations are low for Biden is thanks to the way Trump and the Republicans have portrayed him and their idiot supporters that lapped it up as fact. So it'll be their own fault when he performs well and gain votes.


    Christ, you're emotionally involved in this arent you. The petulant statements and the subtle digs are transparent. The sycophantic posts illustrate that you know subconsciously Biden is not a good candidate and you will have to face four more years of Trump.


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    #8770
    Hoop66
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    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Christ, you're emotionally involved in this arent you. The petulant statements and the subtle digs are transparent. The sycophantic posts illustrate that you know subconsciously Biden is not a good candidate and you will have to face four more years of Trump.

    This post, from someone whose posts are mostly along the lines of "my god, someone please think of Joe and his declining health, something must be done to help this poor old man", shows shocking hypocrisy.

    That, or deliberately provocative posting. But that's not for me to say.


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    #8771
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,312 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Does trump really pay people to do his hair? I find that very hard to believe
    https://twitter.com/chelseahandler/status/1310676706714238977


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    #8772
    Professor Moriarty
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Does trump really pay people to do his hair? I find that very hard to believe
    https://twitter.com/chelseahandler/status/1310676706714238977

    It looks like a bald man being attacked by a pair of starlings.


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    #8773
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,312 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    It looks like a bald man being attacked by a pair of starlings.

    and those starlings are pissed


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    #8774
    DraftDodger
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Does trump really pay people to do his hair? I find that very hard to believe
    https://twitter.com/chelseahandler/status/1310676706714238977

    Imagine lowering yourself to debating a guys hair. TDS is strong on some.


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    #8775
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Imagine lowering yourself to debating a guys hair. TDS is strong on some.

    The fact that it cost 70 grand is the point you're missing


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    #8776
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Imagine lowering yourself to debating a guys hair. TDS is strong on some.

    Things the Republicans have lost their shìt over

    AOC paying $250 to get her hair done for her birthday.

    Obama putting dijon mustard on a burger.

    Obama wearing a tan suit.

    Obama golfing (a lot less than Trump has)


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    #8777
    Quin_Dub
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    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Imagine lowering yourself to debating a guys hair. TDS is strong on some.

    To be fair , Trump is the one that claimed a $70k tax deduction for the upkeep of his hair-style which makes it a subject for discussion.

    And , regardless of whether it was $7 or the $70,000 he claimed , according to the Treasurer of the Actors Union in the US , it's almost certainly not a valid business expense.

    She's a tax attorney and is intimately familiar with what is and isn't tax deductible for actors , TV presenters etc.


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    #8778
    Justin Credible Darts
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    If Trump wind the election AGAIN, there will be some back peddling, excuse making, accusations etc.

    I doubt any pro democrat will say or think you know what, the democrats are just as responsible for putting forward yet another woeful candidate, so bad the American public would rather have Trump.

    On the other hand is boring bumbling Biden gets in and things dont change quickly, the democrats will get slated fast, and the who circus will start up again....and Biden will be lucky to see the 4 years out.

    My point is the pro democrats love to harp on how stupid the Trump fan is, not realizing they are doing the very same thing , same deflecting, same get out clauses, same avoidance of answering questions.

    Biden might be better than Trump, but they are both shockingly bad candidates


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    #8779
    [Deleted User]
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    Preview from tonight's debate

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    #8780
    ohnonotgmail
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    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Imagine lowering yourself to debating a guys hair. TDS is strong on some.

    i'm not debating his hair, i am mocking it. how could i debate hair? though it may possibly give more intelligent answers than trump


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    #8781
    Tigerbaby
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    aaaaand to inject a bit of humour ( does anybody remember laughter?)

    Has anyone seen tomorrows RTE headlines on tonights debate yet?


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    #8782
    [Deleted User]
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    Rezident wrote: »
    Public speaking is an important part of the job. What is the alternative hypothesis for why Biden, repeatedly, cannot speak words? As an independent, "cognitive decline" sounds kind, it looks like it could honestly be worse than that. Have you watched the videos?

    I think most must just watch the carefully curated snippets they show on RTE (and CNN etc) of Biden.


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    #8783
    Igotadose
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    Rezident wrote: »

    Public speaking is an important part of the job. What is the alternative hypothesis for why Biden, repeatedly, cannot speak words? As an independent, "cognitive decline" sounds kind, it looks like it could honestly be worse than that. Have you watched the videos?

    Aha. A new source of the Biden can't speak lie. Joe Rogan's show, shows doctored videos.

    Watch the debate tonight, come back to us tomorrow if you think Biden can't speak.

    Watch it unedited, it'll be on Youtube.


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    #8784
    randd1
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    duploelabs wrote: »
    The fact that it cost 70 grand is the point you're missing

    The 70 grand was to pay for pornstars to pi*s on it to rinse it after it was done. The urea and chloride staining of the roots are what gives it its unique colour. I suppose getting it done like that would bring it up to 70 grand.

    I know that sounds bizarre, but then again, this is the Trump presidency we're talking about, bizarre is par for the course.

    Either way, it probably won't affect Biden tomorrow night. With no slapping seals to lap up the bland jokes, they could come across as tumbleweed utterances from Trump. Outside of pandering to a crowd, he doesn't have much when he takes to the podium.


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    #8785
    Justin Credible Darts
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    Deleted User wrote: »

    An utter abject failure at candidate selection by the Dems.


    A worthy and valid point,however the usual response to this is along the lines of


    "but trump did not pay his taxes"
    "trump has small hands and orange face and funny hair"
    "trump is a racist"
    Actually addressing the failings of biden or why the democrats have chosen yet another candidate that leaves a lot to be desired, is always met head on with deflection.


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    #8786
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,257 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    ollkiller wrote: »
    How long was the recent town hall Biden did. An hour and a half I think. With actual coherent answers. I'll take that over 2 hours of Trump blathering nonsense and getting distracted by mosquitos leading to tales of sharks.

    And he stood for it all.
    He answered the questions and laid out his plans.

    Trump mentioned “herd mentality”, could answer the questions and lied.


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    #8787
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Rezident wrote: »
    A someone who is not american or republican or democrat or liberal or conservative, I saw a video of Joe Biden on Joe Rogan and Joe Rogan said it looked like mental health issues for Biden and it is hard to disagree.



    I'm sure it's on YouTube, but Biden cannot even speak consistently in it, repeatedly. It is much worse than I thought it was, I assumed the Republicans were just exaggerating. Look at the videos, it looks really, really bad.



    Public speaking is an important part of the job. What is the alternative hypothesis for why Biden, repeatedly, cannot speak words? As an independent, "cognitive decline" sounds kind, it looks like it could honestly be worse than that. Have you watched the videos?

    As yes, Joe Rogan, the paragon of journalistic integrity.

    Jfc


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    #8788
    Quin_Dub
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    randd1 wrote: »
    The 70 grand was to pay for pornstars to pi*s on it to rinse it after it was done. The urea and chloride staining of the roots are what gives it its unique colour.

    I suppose having it down like that would bring it up to 70 grand.

    I know that sounds bizarre, but then again, this is the Trump presidency we're talking about, bizarre is par for the course.

    Either way, it probably won't affect Biden tomorrow night. With no slapping seals to lap up the bland jokes, they could come across as tumbleweed utterances from Trump. Outside of pandering to a crowd, he doesn't have much when he takes to the podium.

    Indeed - Trump doesn't actually understand a lot of what he says and he relies on the audience to let him know if it's good or not.

    Watch what happens when he doesn't have an audience - If it's a press briefing he just walks off stage when he doesn't like how it's going , if it's a one on one interview like the ones with Wallace and Swan he just digs deeper and deeper holes for himself by rambling along thinking he's smashing it.

    He is utterly lacking self awareness - He walked away from that car-crash Axios interview with Swan thinking it was awesome!


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    #8789
    joseywhales
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How deluded must someone be to not see that Biden has serious cognitive issues? I mean it's quite common for someone his age. Trump is woefully ignorant, but it's not stemming from cognitive decline. He was always like that. Biden's losing his train of thought and forgetting what he was talking about mid sentence is another matter entirely.

    Biden could not hold a 2 hour rally like Trump did, and his issues are going to be painfully obvious in the debates.

    Considering the huge volume of recent video of Trump vs Biden, you can find more videos of Biden going off piste in the relatively few interviews he has given than Trump.

    I mean, I actually like Biden, but Trump is going to eviscerate him.

    An utter abject failure at candidate selection by the Dems.

    So the choice is an intelligent man in decline v a man who was always an idiot. Even if this was true I would choose the former.

    Also I wonder, if a good strategy for Biden might be to play on the Republicans forced narrative. Perhaps he should show weakness or at least a high level of respect, speak softly etc. Ideally trump's only instinct will kick in and he will attack with unfounded rhetoric. At the end of the day it's just about likeability there is no "debate". I suspect the fact that Hillary attempted to actually talk about policy just annoyed some voters, they don't want to be reminded that they are idiots. It's a pantomime. Biden might be well to maintain the moral high ground and goad Trump into attacking him with weakness. He wants to get Trump foaming at the mouth and a performance that in hindsight looks like playground bullying of a nice older man, the voters won't like that.


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    #8790
    namloc1980
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Biden could not hold a 2 hour rally like Trump did, and his issues are going to be painfully obvious in the debates.

    His rallies involve Trump flying into an airport, climbing onto a stage 100m from the plane, spouting the exact same stuff and conspiracy theories every night for an hour and a half, getting back on the plane and flying away. Rinse and repeat each time with no vision and plans and are extremely boring and tedious at this stage.


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    #8791
    Igotadose
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    Deleted User wrote: »

    An utter abject failure at candidate selection by the Dems.

    So, another candidate would be leading by an even bigger margin? Because Biden's doing really well in polling, which is all we have at this time.

    The #IMPOTUS is arguably the worst President in post-WWII history, presiding over a mishandled pandemic, an enormous economic crash, and a huge loss of American soft power worldwide.

    So, instead of Biden, who would you have chosen? The goal is: win the election and shift Congressional seats to the Democrats. Retake the Senate.

    The Primary voters went resoundingly for Biden. Did they make a bad choice?
    Was there a candidate that would have led by an even wider margin at this time?


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