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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #8612
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    duploelabs wrote: »
    You're operationally naive if you think that all donations and money transfers don't need to be accounted for. It's fraud if they don't

    I’m aware how the system works. Are you?


  • #8613
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    I’m aware how the system works. Are you?

    Stop sh!t posting, it's getting tiresome. I just explained the flaws in your counter argument, if responding in a mature manner is beyond you then I suggest you leave it


  • #8614
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,938 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Foxnews.com Homepage right now.

    Not a SINGLE mention of Trumps Tax returns , not even an "It's all fake" retort.

    Nothing , not a single thing..

    If it's True , it's huge news , If it's False , it's huge news and would (and should) be the end of the New York Times.

    Either way , any serious News organization should be reporting on it.

    But , not a word about it..

    Why would that be?


  • #8615
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Illegal immigrants contribute nearly $12 billion a year to the US tax system..

    https://itep.org/wp-content/uploads/immigration2016.pdf

    While the great patriot that is Donnie can barely muster to hand over a thousand dollars..


  • #8616
    relax carry on
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Trump's image is a sham. One of the things jumping out of the Times article is the use of "consultancy fees" as an expense to reduce his taxable income. Some of these fees were actually being funnelled to Ivanka Trump. Now that's dodgy as hell. She's part of the Trump Organisation - they kept the money in the family but eliminated the tax liability on it by claiming it as an expense. That's closer to evasion than avoidance.

    .

    From a professional perspective the "consultancy fees" is an old trick a newly minted auditor would have to question and follow it through to see if it was a genuine allowable expense or an deliberate attempt to reduce the taxable income. If it was a deliberate attempt then unless the IRS legislation is off the wall, that is tax evasion which should be a criminal offence. Again every case has its own peculiarities and depending on how good the attempt to disguise the payments were, Trump could have some serious issues to address in relation to his accounts.


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  • #8617
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Alleged tax dodging

    Alleged mail in voting fraud

    That's all any of this is.

    Trump has been in power almost 4 years now and he's never been convicted of anything. All this alleged stuff does is further harden the polarisation of both sides.


  • #8618
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Alleged tax dodging

    Alleged mail in voting fraud

    That's all any of this is.

    Trump has been in power almost 4 years now and he's never been convicted of anything. All this alleged stuff does is further harden the polarisation of both sides.

    He's never been convicted of anything because of Barr's memo. Once he's out of office all bets are off


  • #8619
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Alleged tax dodging

    Alleged mail in voting fraud

    That's all any of this is.

    Trump has been in power almost 4 years now and he's never been convicted of anything. All this alleged stuff does is further harden the polarisation of both sides.

    Even if we're ignoring the tax dodging aspect, he's in immense debt and consistently losing money. The debt is a liability for him as POTUS.


  • #8620
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,938 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Alleged tax dodging

    Alleged mail in voting fraud

    That's all any of this is.

    Trump has been in power almost 4 years now and he's never been convicted of anything. All this alleged stuff does is further harden the polarisation of both sides.

    Because he can't be - That's kind of the point.

    He was listed as an "unindicted co-conspirator" for the crime that got Michael Cohen sent to jail - The only reason he was "unindicted" was because he was President.


  • #8621
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Exactly guys, never been convicted of anything.

    He may or may not be convicted when he leaves office but until then it means nothing. Until he is convicted in a court of law his supporters will just see this tax stuff as more of the same witch hunt propaganda. That's America for you.


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  • #8622
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Exactly guys, never been convicted of anything.

    He may or may not be convicted when he leaves office but until then it means nothing. Until he is convicted in a court of law his supporters will just see this tax stuff as more of the same witch hunt propaganda. That's America for you.

    A witch hunt or propaganda implies there's no substance being the claims, it is not the case with regards to his financial shenanigans


  • #8623
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,780 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Foxnews.com Homepage right now.

    Not a SINGLE mention of Trumps Tax returns , not even an "It's all fake" retort.

    Nothing , not a single thing..

    If it's True , it's huge news , If it's False , it's huge news and would (and should) be the end of the New York Times.

    Either way , any serious News organization should be reporting on it.

    But , not a word about it..

    Why would that be?

    Yah. But crap from convicted felon O'Keeffe on Rep. Omar.
    And the other, pathetic mouthpiece site Oann did have this whacko's endorsement of the #IMPOTUS on its home page:

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kenosha-sheriff-racism-people-that-arent-worth-saving-aclu-1050971/

    "The sheriff orchestrating law enforcement response to the uprising in Kenosha — sparked by the senseless police shooting of 29-year-old black father Jacob Blake in front of his children — is facing calls to resign from the ACLU. The civil liberties organization is blasting Sheriff David Beth for his department’s friendly rapport with white vigilantes at Tuesday’s deadly protest, and for comments the sheriff made in 2018, in which he railed against a crew of black alleged shoplifters, calling for the “the garbage people that fill our communities” to be “warehoused” in inhumane conditions, until “they’ve perished in these buildings.”"


  • #8624
    ranto_boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭ranto_boy


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Foxnews.com Homepage right now.

    Not a SINGLE mention of Trumps Tax returns , not even an "It's all fake" retort.

    Just checked. Second listed story on homepage. Never visited the site before so no cookie funniness.


  • #8625
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,938 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    ranto_boy wrote: »
    Just checked. Second listed story on homepage. Never visited the site before so no cookie funniness.

    It's there now , but was not there at least up to an hour or so ago..

    They took a LONG time to put that there.


  • #8626
    ranto_boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭ranto_boy


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    It's there now , but was not there at least up to an hour or so ago..

    They took a LONG time to put that there.

    I don't watch or have the channel, so no idea about live but a brief search gets the following

    On their Youtube channel, put up yesterday (no idea if that's US or here) but there's comments there from 6 or so hours ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFRuKJH5KVI

    Published 16 hours ago - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-new-york-times-avoid-paying-taxes-totally

    And there's more but you get the idea.


  • #8627
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,938 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    ranto_boy wrote: »
    I don't watch or have the channel, so no idea about live but a brief search gets the following

    On their Youtube channel, put up yesterday (no idea if that's US or here) but there's comments there from 6 or so hours ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFRuKJH5KVI

    Published 16 hours ago - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-new-york-times-avoid-paying-taxes-totally

    And there's more but you get the idea.

    Indeed - "Published" and "Linked on the homepage" aren't the same thing though :-).


  • #8628
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    I don't think Trump has even many supporters in the US tbh. People still don't get it. Voting Trump is a kick in the balls to the liberals who have nothing to offer Americans but the same old tired rhetoric that has failed them for years. Trump's family probably don't even like him never mind Trump supporters.

    All this releasing of his tax affairs and the soldiers are losers comments and any other stuff will not change the course of the election.




    Trump was a kick in the balls 4 years ago and he still won.


    My point is, if the democrats had a single candidate , instead of the atrocious and detestable hilary, and this bumbling old geriatric biden, they would romp home.


    If trump does ever get in, you do not only blame the voters, but the blame should also lie with the democrats, for choosing yet another abysmal candidate.


  • #8629
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    Trump was a kick in the balls 4 years ago and he still won.


    My point is, if the democrats had a single candidate , instead of the atrocious and detestable hilary, and this bumbling old geriatric biden, they would romp home.


    If trump does ever get in, you do not only blame the voters, but the blame should also lie with the democrats, for choosing yet another abysmal candidate.

    Still leaps and bounds ahead of the candidate that the GOP are putting forward


  • #8630
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,634 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Still leaps and bounds ahead of the candidate that the GOP are putting forward

    I love the bumbling geriatric nonsense from the Rep. as if their guy is a suave young accomplished orator


  • #8631
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Still leaps and bounds ahead of the candidate that the GOP are putting forward




    is biden better than trump...well yes....




    he is the lesser of 2 evils, both are still abysmal.
    People can slate trump to deflect, and as bad as he is, it wont change biden is awful as well


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  • #8632
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,634 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    is biden better than trump...well yes....




    he is the lesser of 2 evils, both are still abysmal.
    People can slate trump to deflect, and as bad as he is, it wont change biden is awful as well

    For me alot of election become about who I want to see lose rather than having a candidate I really want to vote for


  • #8633
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭threeball


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    is biden better than trump...well yes....




    he is the lesser of 2 evils, both are still abysmal.
    People can slate trump to deflect, and as bad as he is, it wont change biden is awful as well

    Biden isn't a great public speaker and is prone to the odd gaffe but he will be light years ahead of Trump who cares for nothing or no one. He is quite happy to kill people, trash the planet, destroy peoples lives, just so long as he benefits. Joe is a bit slow but its hard to believe how his moral compass is anything other than vastly preferable to Trumps.


  • #8634
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,333 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1310584937356103686?s=19

    This should be good.


  • #8635
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭threeball


    extra gravy wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1310584937356103686?s=19

    This should be good.

    Unfortunately its from a UK source so its more likely the yanks back "their guy" against those weird foreigners trying in interfere in democracy. Might even be worth bombing them.


  • #8636
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,247 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    extra gravy wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1310584937356103686?s=19

    This should be good.

    at the end on some columns is some sort of unique ID string, probably from a social media profile. Im going to take a hard guess here and say that its a list from an analytics company who were trying to assess how to target likely voters, listed all of the key demographic correlations and had a list of those that were not worth targeting for votes, a large amount of those vocal supporters happen to be black so channel 4 'arranged by column' and turned up the shock factor.


  • #8637
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As I said, that's because they are the most commonly used accusations against the Trump administration. Not because they are actually true.
    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    is biden better than trump...well yes....




    he is the lesser of 2 evils, both are still abysmal.
    People can slate trump to deflect, and as bad as he is, it wont change biden is awful as well

    But it is a two horse race, they are the choices.

    And in life, sometimes, we are faced with tough choices but we still need to make the best of the choices we have.


  • #8638
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    But it is a two horse race, they are the choices.

    And in life, sometimes, we are faced with tough choices but we still need to make the best of the choices we have.




    my point is in terms of the bigger picture and why american politics is such an utter shambles


    Putting aside that a 2 party only type of system is all they use is bad enough, but it should be encouraging the parties to provide the best of the best.


    Trump and biden for the role of president of the USA are deplorable choices.
    Biden is better, but only because his opponent is even worse


  • #8639
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    Trump was a kick in the balls 4 years ago and he still won.


    My point is, if the democrats had a single candidate , instead of the atrocious and detestable hilary, and this bumbling old geriatric biden, they would romp home.


    If trump does ever get in, you do not only blame the voters, but the blame should also lie with the democrats, for choosing yet another abysmal candidate.

    I'm still finding it hard to understand why the Democrats put Biden forward. They had a wide open goal and they'll be lucky to even hit the crossbar.


  • #8640
    eire4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭eire4


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    my point is in terms of the bigger picture and why american politics is such an utter shambles


    Putting aside that a 2 party only type of system is all they use is bad enough, but it should be encouraging the parties to provide the best of the best.


    Trump and biden for the role of president of the USA are deplorable choices.
    Biden is better, but only because his opponent is even worse

    I agree with what your saying there except in one regard. I would not describe their politics as an utter shambles. That would be an improvement IMHO. Their politics is utterly corrupt and dysfunctional. The bribery of politicians and government in the US is so pervasive they are not IMHO a legitimate democracy but rather an oligarchy. That for me is the core problem and I see no signs that they have any interest in changing that.


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  • #8641
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,984 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    I'm still finding it hard to understand why the Democrats put Biden forward. They had a wide open goal and they'll be lucky to even hit the crossbar.

    As much as I agree that Biden is a bland, uninspiring choice... He may also be the best bet at beating Trump regardless, because he is centrist enough that he'll appeal to more independents/moderates than most of the other candidates. Besides which, the candidate is nominated by votes in the primaries, and Biden picked up more votes, which is mainly from registered members of the Democratic Party.

    As awful as he is, he may have the best shot against Trump.


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