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28-09-2020 06:17AM

Thought Gráinne McElwain did a fine job on the paper review yesterday. A lot of dead wood in that slot of late so good to hear a fresh and very articulate voice. She should be good on Sky's coverage.

Felexicon · 28-09-2020 09:43AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thought Gráinne McElwain did a fine job on the paper review yesterday. A lot of dead wood in that slot of late so good to hear a fresh and very articulate voice. She should be good on Sky's coverage.

Yeah thought she was good up to the part about wishing Stephen Kenny good luck in a press conference. That was a bit strange.
Was surprised to hear Joe push back against so strongly

Brock Turnpike · 28-09-2020 02:32PM

Felexicon wrote: »

Yeah thought she was good up to the part about wishing Stephen Kenny good luck in a press conference. That was a bit strange.
Was surprised to hear Joe push back against so strongly

Have to agree with you. I thought she was all over the place with it.

28-09-2020 02:47PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Have to agree with you. I thought she was all over the place with it.

I must have missed that part as had people over. What happened? Will listen back later...

Brock Turnpike · 28-09-2020 10:08PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I must have missed that part as had people over. What happened? Will listen back later...

She was basically saying she couldn't understand why the journalists weren't wishing Stephen Kenny well in his new job. Joe made the point that there has to be some disconnect between journalist/manager. She still seemed to struggle with it.

29-09-2020 06:02AM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

She was basically saying she couldn't understand why the journalists weren't wishing Stephen Kenny well in his new job. Joe made the point that there has to be some disconnect between journalist/manager. She still seemed to struggle with it.

Thanks. Yeah, listened back last night. It was a bit odd and they got very bogged down in it but overall I thought she did pretty well, that bit aside. I'd listen to her before some of the other contributors that keep cropping up in the slot.

Blanco100 · 29-09-2020 08:02PM

Bit of a row tonight on off the ball tonight apparently, only tuned in when Dan McDonnell came on and he was joking to Joe Molloy about Joes part in it, anybody any idea what this was about?

generalgerry · 29-09-2020 08:24PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

Bit of a row tonight on off the ball tonight apparently, only tuned in when Dan McDonnell came on and he was joking to Joe Molloy about Joes part in it, anybody any idea what this was about?

Richie made a fool of himself. Came out massively against Keane and why he is given so much media attention, made a couple of derogatory remarks about him trying to be like Eamonn Dunphy, and then capped it off by saying that "anybody with a voice like Gary Neville's should not be on TV". The "row" was Joe trying to rein him in a bit.

They should have cut his mic to save him from embarrassing himself further. He's long been painful on the show and the show would be far stronger without him.

Piehead · 29-09-2020 10:16PM

generalgerry wrote: »

Richie made a fool of himself. Came out massively against Keane and why he is given so much media attention, made a couple of derogatory remarks about him trying to be like Eamonn Dunphy, and then capped it off by saying that "anybody with a voice like Gary Neville's should not be on TV". The "row" was Joe trying to rein him in a bit.

They should have cut his mic to save him from embarrassing himself further. He's long been painful on the show and the show would be far stronger without him.

Richie is still raging about the pay cut they all got on Newstalk due to covid. I think he posted about it here

30-09-2020 06:08AM

Piehead wrote: »

Richie is still raging about the pay cut they all got on Newstalk due to covid. I think he posted about it here

Some moron posted here gloating that they got a paycut because he didn't like the show. Richie simply pointed out that it's a pretty pathetic thing to revel in someone having their pay cut.

That being said, I am not a massive fan of his and thought last night's episode and all the faux outrage was cringeworthy.

dominatinMC · 30-09-2020 07:06AM

generalgerry wrote: »

Richie made a fool of himself. Came out massively against Keane and why he is given so much media attention, made a couple of derogatory remarks about him trying to be like Eamonn Dunphy, and then capped it off by saying that "anybody with a voice like Gary Neville's should not be on TV". The "row" was Joe trying to rein him in a bit.

They should have cut his mic to save him from embarrassing himself further. He's long been painful on the show and the show would be far stronger without him.

+1.
I know a lot on here accuse the show of political correctness, etc. but it is the very hint of Richie's sneering tone that has me reaching for the off button. A belligerant, condescending, sanctimonious pain in the hole

Blanco100 · 30-09-2020 07:50AM

Is this rant on the podcast?

BPKS · 30-09-2020 08:07AM

I only tuned in as they started laughing about it.

Somebody text in saying they found it strange that Richie doesn't have Sky Sports and he replied that €30 a month would be better spent in this house which was a dig at the pay cuts.

By the way, I'd say Pep was delighted that this little understanding between Klopp and Keane has got so much traction, takes the focus away from City's huge failings.

generalgerry · 30-09-2020 08:23AM

BPKS wrote: »

I only tuned in as they started laughing about it. Somebody text in saying they found it strange that Richie doesn't have Sky Sports and he replied that €30 a month would be better spent in this house which was a dig at the pay cuts.

Found it hugely unusual that a guy who works on a sports show and gives you chapter and verse on soccer would not have a sky subscription. Surely it is one of the mandatory tools of the job?

deisedude · 30-09-2020 08:35AM

Fairly unprofessional to make your displeasure with a pay cut known on air. He mightn't be explicitly saying it but we can all read between the lines.

I have been unhappy with my employers over the year for various reasons, same as most people but I'd never let the customers know. B1tch all you want about it with your colleagues but keep it off air

Tell me how · 30-09-2020 09:26AM

Are people giving out about Richie being a bit argumentative and complaining about things?

Isn't that what was said was missed after Wooly left?

The Guru 123 · 30-09-2020 10:06AM

Thought Richie really made a fool of himself last night and if it wasn't for Joe basically walking him in from the cliff edge I'd say Richie was on the verge of making his job untenable if he kept ranting.

First he was basically claiming (in his usual self righteous way) that everybody, and indeed human nature itself, is wrong to find Roy Keane interesting. Then he went on to make a frankly outrageous comment about Gary Neville's voice/accent and compared it very disparagingly to a Cavan accent.

The comment about the €30 on Sky Sports I found bizarre but maybe as someone said above it was a reference to his pay cut. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he does actually have a subscription to Sky Sports but just feels it makes him "edgy" and "cool" to say that he doesn't.

His attitude towards the "man in the street", which presumably is a large majority of the listeners is unbelievably condescending and arrogant and it really comes across on the show. His opinion and his alone is the correct one and everyone else is just wrong.

Piehead · 30-09-2020 10:24AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Are people giving out about Richie being a bit argumentative and complaining about things?

Isn't that what was said was missed after Wooly left?

Is he being argumentative and giving out because of his justifiable pay cut though ?

Blanco100 · 30-09-2020 10:29AM

This rant doesn't seem to be available on the podcast unfortunately

deisedude · 30-09-2020 10:34AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

This rant doesn't seem to be available on the podcast unfortunately

You can get it here https://www.otbsports.com/podcasts/newsround-on-off-the-ball/newsround-love-hate-keane-punditry-thiago-covid-positive-french-open-latest

Abel Ruiz · 30-09-2020 11:08AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Are people giving out about Richie being a bit argumentative and complaining about things?

Isn't that what was said was missed after Wooly left?

No no. He was being a dick.
Nothing like wooly.
But you already knew that.
Are you being argumentative for the sake of it?

Abel Ruiz · 30-09-2020 11:24AM

Piehead wrote: »

Richie is still raging about the pay cut they all got on Newstalk due to covid. I think he posted about it here

I thought the mods said it wasnt the "real" otb staff members?
So Richie and Ger were just trolls and messing????

Sure Richie McCormack is thanking posts this morning in this thread. Gas stuff altogether.

dominatinMC · 30-09-2020 11:31AM

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

I thought the mods said it wasnt the "real" otb staff members?
So Richie and Ger were just trolls and messing????

Sure Richie McCormack is thanking posts this morning in this thread. Gas stuff altogether.

Ironic, self-deprecating Richie strikes again! :pac:

Piehead · 30-09-2020 11:47AM

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

No no. He was being a dick.
Nothing like wooly.
But you already knew that.
Are you being argumentative for the sake of it?

Nah he just attacks all OTB criticism. It’s almost religious for the lad

generalgerry · 30-09-2020 12:25PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

+1.
I know a lot on here accuse the show of political correctness, etc. but it is the very hint of Richie's sneering tone that has me reaching for the off button. A belligerant, condescending, sanctimonious pain in the hole

Richie is the king of political correctness and sneering at those who don't reach the OTB moral high standards. So I was very surprised to hear him saying the thing about Gary Neville's voice. It was petty, and unfair, and coming from the guy who sees injustice in everything, it was voice-ist

To be honest he sounds like a guy who has been in the job too long.

BPKS · 30-09-2020 12:41PM

Just listened back to the first 15 minutes of last night's show.

Richie absolutely embarrassed himself. I thought he was perfectly within reason at the start but then when he went on his Sky rant and the Cavan accent thing he came across as somebody who should not be left near a microphone for a while until he cops on.

His retort when Joe said about Skys coverage that that's what people want and Richie said 'People wanted the Nazis' - seriously? Especially when you see what George Hook got the sack for.

generalgerry · 30-09-2020 12:54PM

The Guru 123 wrote: »

First he was basically claiming (in his usual self righteous way) that everybody, and indeed human nature itself, is wrong to find Roy Keane interesting.

He made some remark about Dunphy and verbosity as well. It seemed like a slight on Dunphy. Oh, and there was a reference to Nazi, as would be the refuge of all SJWs. Joe took particular exception to the mention of the Nazi word!

gormdubhgorm · 30-09-2020 02:14PM

generalgerry wrote: »

Richie is the king of political correctness and sneering at those who don't reach the OTB moral high standards. So I was very surprised to hear him saying the thing about Gary Neville's voice. It was petty, and unfair, and coming from the guy who sees injustice in everything, it was voice-ist

To be honest he sounds like a guy who has been in the job too long.

BPKS wrote: »

Just listened back to the first 15 minutes of last night's show.

Richie absolutely embarrassed himself. I thought he was perfectly within reason at the start but then when he went on his Sky rant and the Cavan accent thing he came across as somebody who should not be left near a microphone for a while until he cops on.

His retort when Joe said about Skys coverage that that's what people want and Richie said 'People wanted the Nazis' - seriously? Especially when you see what George Hook got the sack for.

generalgerry wrote: »

He made some remark about Dunphy and verbosity as well. It seemed like a slight on Dunphy. Oh, and there was a reference to Nazi, as would be the refuge of all SJWs. Joe took particular exception to the mention of the Nazi word!

God forgive me I listened to those 15 minutes to see what the fuss was. 15 of my life I wasted!

My take on it is as follows:

1) McCormack gave a valid point on Roy Keane's comments being overblown hype over ANYTHING he says

2) He made a good point about SKY's excessive coverage of nothing

3) This elicited a worried Joe Molloy to realise they do a three hour sports programme (Molloy was aware of what could be perceived as hypocrisy in fairness to him.)

4) McCormack seemed to to imply that OTB are cut above SKY so it is fine.

5) McCormack ruins any valid point he has made by attacking Neville's voice and imitates a Cavan accent. Plus then uses a Reductio ad Hitlerum - mentioning Nazi's. Which is normally a sign people have lost all sense of reason, and lost an argument in an attempt to hammer home the point.

6) My view of McCormack (nice neutral radio voice - with just hints of Dublin plumminess) .

However, I believe he is snobbish when it comes down to it. And his own accent may be not only a product of his environment - but also his career choice since his phantom days.
Not for him 'The what's de story? We are going to play some mad tunes!' - which you would get from the average commuinty radio presenter.
Richie views himself as a cut above.
This was also shown back in the day when McCormack showed his abhorrence of Irish soccer fans outside a pub cheering customers coming from a lingerie store. I believe his tweet was 'stay classy lads'.

kayevajo · 30-09-2020 02:18PM

generalgerry wrote: »

Richie made a fool of himself. Came out massively against Keane and why he is given so much media attention, made a couple of derogatory remarks about him trying to be like Eamonn Dunphy, and then capped it off by saying that "anybody with a voice like Gary Neville's should not be on TV". The "row" was Joe trying to rein him in a bit.

They should have cut his mic to save him from embarrassing himself further. He's long been painful on the show and the show would be far stronger without him.

he`s an awful bore , i tune off any time hes on, time for him to leave the station.

you have someone as class as joe molloy trying to deal with this tool. he needs to go where kilbane went and fast!

30-09-2020 03:07PM

Just listened back. That is a serious level of hectoring self righteousness. As someone else said, he's a complete bore and I do find it hard to listen to him at the best of times. Joe Molloy came across really well.

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