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Dr Vernon Coleman: They want to kill 6 Bn of us, enslave us [Covid-19]

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    #62
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Influential? maybe, i'm sure some people listen to him. Powerful? absolutely not. he has little or no actual power

    You're right. Just influential so.


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    #63
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    The title of this thread does pose an interesting question, is the world overpopulated and becoming unsustainable?

    Bear in mind the UN's Sustainable Development Goals, set in 2010 (and reviewed every 5yrs) have (all x20) announced last week, missed their planned targets.


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    #64
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,156 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Avalyn Unimportant Trader wrote: »
    The title of this thread does pose an interesting question, is the world overpopulated and becoming unsustainable?

    Bear in mind the UN's Sustainable Development Goals, set in 2010 (and reviewed every 5yrs) have (all x20) announced last week, missed their planned targets.

    what is your opinion?


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    #65
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what is your opinion?
    Based on the UN's Sustainable Development Goals, which where all missed, this might indicate it may well be (heading for 9bn by 2040).

    What's your view?


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    #66
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,156 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Avalyn Unimportant Trader wrote: »
    Based on the UN's Sustainable Development Goals, which where all missed, this might indicate it may well be (heading for 9bn by 2040).

    What's your view?

    I think you may be correct.


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    #67
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    Dr Coleman mentioned in a Scottish newspaper: https://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/18739823.dunfermline-msp-condemns-coronavirus-hoax-leaflet/


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    #68
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,156 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    Dr Coleman mentioned in a Scottish newspaper: https://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/18739823.dunfermline-msp-condemns-coronavirus-hoax-leaflet/

    are you posting that as some sort of endorsement of this guy?


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    #69
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    are you posting that as some sort of endorsement of this guy?

    I'm not, but just thought I'd post the link for people to learn more about Dr Coleman.


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    #70
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,156 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    I'm not, but just thought I'd post the link for people to learn more about Dr Coleman.

    he's a crank. yet you propose him as some sort of figure of authority


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    #71
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    he's a crank. yet you propose him as some sort of figure of authority

    I don't.

    Do you not find him erudite and well spoken?


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    #72
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,156 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    I don't.

    Do you not find him erudite and well spoken?

    irrelevant. his views are those of a crank. forget the style and concentrate on the substance


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    #73
    JJayoo
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    Selling stupid sh1t to stupid people is a good business strategy


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    #74
    Hoop66
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    Dionaibh wrote: »
    I don't know. When I think of socialism Venezuela comes to mind.

    Perhaps you should read something other than right wing media and conspiracy blogs then.


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    #75
    Billy Mays
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    I remember this Coleman fella had a column in one of the UK tabloids back in the 80s/90s. I particularly remember an article he wrote scaremongering about ecstasy when the rave scene was taking off. He said ecstasy triggered terrifying hallucinations eg if you've a fear of spiders you'll think spiders are crawling all over you, if you've a fear of rats you'll think hundreds of rats are coming for you etc...

    Well Dr Coleman, I took quite a bit of ecstasy in the 90s and never had anything but a brilliant time on it. Therefore I can only come to the conclusion that Dr Vernon Coleman is full of sh!t.


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    #76
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I think you may be correct.
    Indeed the vast majorty of folks would agree with this (the world is over populated), as it heads for 9bn in 2040.

    The big question is (as the UN misses all x20 of it's sustainability goals, again) is what can be done about it?

    I.e. What level of intervention should be used (by the elite, wealthy and powerful, the average Joe & Jane has no sway or influence in this).

    What type of 'clean' reduction intervention (this rules out any unclean wars which would contaminate soil for generations).

    One has to consider what is the ideal population level, bearing in mind the rise of automation and coming redundancy of traditional human assets as labour, even many mid-level skilled folks.

    Of course I don't have all, or indeed any good answers to this huge issue, not many people do, these are very tricky quesitons for anyone to address.


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    #77
    ohnonotgmail
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    Avalyn Unimportant Trader wrote: »
    Indeed the vast majorty of folks would agree with this (the world is over populated), as it heads for 9bn in 2040.


    The big question is (as the UN misses all x20 of it's sustainability goals, again) is what can be done about it?



    I.e. What level of intervention should be used (by the elite, wealthy and powerful, the average Joe & Jane has no sway or influence in this).


    What type of 'clean' reduction intervention (this rules out any unclean wars which would contaminate soil for generations).



    One has to consider what is the ideal population level, bearing in mind the rise of automation and coming redundancy of traditional human assets as labour, even many mid-level skilled folks.

    I disagree that the average person has no influence on this. they could stop having large families. Traditionally families were large because of high infant mortality rates. Improved vaccinations for childhood diseases can persuade people that large families are not required. as can improvements in education and general healthcare. you can see this yourself in Ireland. I have 6 siblings and that is not a large number for families of my generation. nowadays it is practically unheard of. Improving healthcare and reduction in poverty levels has lead to that decrease in family sizes in ireland. we need to be doing the same for those countries outside the first world.


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    #78
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I disagree that the average person has no influence on this. they could stop having large families.
    In the West yes, indeed, this has already happened (the sqeamish should not google the abortion figures).

    The biggest issue and projection is for the developing world. Already the estimate for e.g. Africa is to double to 2.5bn between now and 2050, about x5 that of Europe (Europe will remain at 500m or so between now, and 2050), assuming there are not future mass migration factors to contend with.

    The global projection stands at 9bn for 2040, this isn't reversable in any easy sense, it will reduce towards 2100, but the UN Sustainability targets (already all missed) will be shredded to peices, well before then.


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    #79
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    Avalyn Unimportant Trader wrote: »
    In the West yes, indeed, this has already happened (the sqeamish should not google the abortion figures).

    The biggest issue and projection is for the developing world. Already the estimate for e.g. Africa is to double to 2.5bn between now and 2050, about x5 that of Europe (Europe will remain at 500m or so between now, and 2050), assuming there are not future mass migration factors to contend with.

    The global projection stands at 9bn for 2040, this isn't reversable in any easy sense, it will reduce towards 2100, but the UN Sustainability targets (already all missed) will be shredded to peices, well before then.

    Yes, fertility rates have collapsed all across the West, and, sadly, abortion is widespread.


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    #80
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,156 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Avalyn Unimportant Trader wrote: »
    In the West yes, indeed, this has already happened (the sqeamish should not google the abortion figures).

    The biggest issue and projection is for the developing world. Already the estimate for e.g. Africa is to double to 2.5bn between now and 2050, about x5 that of Europe (Europe will remain at 500m or so between now, and 2050), assuming there are not future mass migration factors to contend with.

    The global projection stands at 9bn for 2040, this isn't reversable in any easy sense, it will reduce towards 2100, but the UN Sustainability targets (already all missed) will be shredded to peices, well before then.

    the rest of my post that you didnt bother to include in the quote addressed this.


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    #81
    r439z5ifwt8soq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭r439z5ifwt8soq


    The basis for this thread is an old man promoting his own books, trying to convince easily led people that "They" (whoever they are) "are trying to kill 6 billion of us"

    Essentially, 'old man yells at cloud'.

    Pull the other one


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    #82
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,156 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Colby Uninterested Above wrote: »
    The basis for this thread is an old man promoting his own books, trying to convince easily led people that "They" (whoever they are) "are trying to kill 6 billion of us"

    Essentially, 'old man yells at cloud'.

    Pull the other one

    does it have bells on?


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    #83
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Dionaibh wrote: »
    Yes, fertility rates have collapsed all across the West, and, sadly, abortion is widespread.
    In Eng & Wales: 550 every single day, and not just during flu season.

    Fertility levels are down dramtically in the West, various possilbe reasons, poor diets, obesity, toxins including heavy metals such as aluminium, mercury, thimerosal and squalene as adjuvants and so on.


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    #84
    r439z5ifwt8soq
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    does it have bells on?

    It does, indeed, have bells


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    #85
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the rest of my post that you didnt bother to include in the quote addressed this.
    The 2040 projections are assumed as more or less steadfast already, due to recent, current, and projected birth rates (it's 2020 now). The world projection for 9bn isn't going to change much, unless you're going to suggest some sudden force majeure levels of intervention.


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    #86
    ohnonotgmail
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    Avalyn Unimportant Trader wrote: »
    In Eng & Wales: 550 every single day, and not just during flu season.

    Fertility levels are down dramtically in the West, various possilbe reasons, poor diets, obesity, toxins including heavy metals such as aluminium, mercury, thimerosal and squalene as adjuvants and so on.

    what is the relevance of abortion to this conspiracy? btw, what is the conspiracy? perhaps the OP could explain


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    #87
    IAMAMORON
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    He really is dreadfully full of crap.

    Impossible to keep up with.


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    #88
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,156 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Avalyn Unimportant Trader wrote: »
    The 2040 projections are assumed as more or less steadfast already, due to recent, current, and projected birth rates (it's 2020 now). The world projection for 9bn isn't going to change much, unless you're going to suggest some sudden force majeure levels of intervention.

    I'm not. I am making a suggestion as to how the problem can be tackled. feel free to make your own suggestions.


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    r439z5ifwt8soq
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what is the relevance of abortion to this conspiracy? btw, what is the conspiracy? perhaps the OP could explain

    I dont think they even know. Something to do with muzzles, goldman sachs, bankers, and "they" (still not sure who they are)


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    The Nal
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    Colby Uninterested Above wrote: »
    I dont think they even know. Something to do with muzzles, goldman sachs, bankers, and "they" (still not sure who they are)

    The elites of course! Do try and keep up.


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    #91
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    Colby Uninterested Above wrote: »
    The basis for this thread is an old man promoting his own books, trying to convince easily led people that "They" (whoever they are) "are trying to kill 6 billion of us"

    Essentially, 'old man yells at cloud'.

    Pull the other one

    How Dr Coleman is described on Amazon:

    Sunday Times bestselling author Vernon Coleman has been a full time professional author for over 30 years. He is a novelist and campaigning writer and has written many non fiction books. For more information please see www.vernoncoleman.com where there are hundreds of free articles - and no ads!
    He is the author of well over 100 books - including fiction and non fiction.
    Novels include Mrs Caldicot's Cabbage War (which has been filmed).
    Non fiction best sellers include Bodypower and How to stop your doctor killing you.
    Memoirs include the many Bilbury books and his diaries. Somewhere in the world someone starts to read a Bilbury book every few minutes.
    In 1983 he launched the world's first medical software for home computers. He has written columns for many major newspapers (including The Sun and The People) and written thousands of articles for many more. He has made numerous TV and radio series (often based on his books.)
    Over nearly 50 years he has campaigned on many issues involving both people and animals and has as a result made many enemies among powerful pressure groups defending the interests of drug and food companies. But his books remain popular with readers and independent critics. His books have been translated into 25 languages and have sold over two million hardback and paperback copies in the UK alone.
    What the papers say about Vernon Coleman and his books (a small selection):
    Vernon Coleman writes brilliant books - The Good Book Guide
    Britains leading health care campaigner - The Sun
    Superstar - Independent on Sunday
    He's the Lone Ranger, Robin Hood and the Equaliser rolled into one - Glasgow Evening Times
    A national treasure- What Doctors Don't Tell You
    Dr Coleman made me think again - BBC
    His advice is optimistic and enthusiastic - British Medical Journal
    Probably one of the most brilliant men alive - Irish Times
    Compulsive reading - The Guardian
    King of the media docs - The Independent
    Coleman is a very funny writer - This England
    Revered guru of medicine - Nursing Times
    No thinking person can ignore him - The Ecologist
    The calmest voice of reason - The Observer
    A godsend - Daily Telegraph
    'If I had to choose an all time journalist to admire it would have to be without a doubt the often controversial always knowledgeable and usually witty Vernon Coleman.' - Stewart Peterson, Greenock Telegraph
    Brilliant - The People
    His message is important - The Economist
    The man is a national treasure - What doctors don't tell you
    Marvellously succinct, refreshingly sensible - The Spectator
    A rogue elephant - Sunday Times
    Britain's leading medical author The Star
    Perhaps the best known health writer for the general public in the world today - The Therapist
    The patients' champion - Birmingham Post
    He writes lucidly and wittily - Good Housekeeping
    Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA qualified as a doctor though he has not practised for many years. He resigned as a GP after refusing to put diagnoses on sick notes in order to protect patient confidentiality. (The regulations were subsequently changed.) He resigned as columnist on The Sunday People after the editor refused to print a column criticising the Iraq war.
    Dr Coleman has lectured to doctors and nurses. He is married to Donna Antoinette. They live by the sea in England where they are creating a large wildlife garden.

    Look at the quotes from reviews in various newspapers.

    He is well known, respected judging by the above quotes, and his books are widely read.


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