Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

bpb101 · 22-09-2020 10:39PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I haven’t had them in the last few days, hoping they had stopped, but my wife is still getting them.

One of you iphone and the other is android?
Im iPhone and havent got the covid one, but have for other things

Maybe they were annoying people, but id would have liken to keep them.

22-09-2020 10:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/OnCall4ON/status/1308486563739963392?s=20

Testing seems to a big problem at the moment around the world. Big economic and societal changes are being made currently based on positive covid results.

Renjit · 22-09-2020 10:46PM

declanflynn wrote: »

my mistake, if she came by plane

That's fine. A little bit of racism. As long as it is not on you :pac:

Funsterdelux · 22-09-2020 10:47PM

Getting close to the Witching Hour, all set off by David Quinn.

The irony.

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 10:48PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Getting close to the Witching Hour, all set off by David Quinn.

The irony.

I don’t think a genuine discussion on the testing methods the NVRL is using is out of place, to be honest.

Ficheall · 22-09-2020 10:49PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

False negatives higher therefore indicating more people get a negative result when they infect have the virus (false negative)
vs those who receive a positive result and do not have the virus (false positive)

Net result undercounting of people who have the virus.

No - there are far fewer real positives than real negatives, so even if the false negative rate is higher, they won't outnumber the false positives.

s1ippy · 22-09-2020 10:49PM

giveitholly wrote: »

If you are waiting all day wondering what the numbers will be like its not good for your mental health. Looking at weekly trends are much more helpful. That's why they should move away from daily figures and just release the weekly figures

I'm not waiting all day, just occasionally I'll think "what time is it? Oh its nearly half five, the cases are soon" but if I found it out earlier I could go "oh its nearly half five, glad I already know there's thirty cases today"

Hahaha

giveitholly · 22-09-2020 10:52PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I'm not waiting all day, just occasionally I'll think "what time is it? Oh its nearly half five, the cases are soon" but if I found it out earlier I could go "oh its nearly half five, glad I already know there's thirty cases today"

Hahaha

30 CASES, God those were the days!!!

Goldengirl · 22-09-2020 10:55PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Getting close to the Witching Hour, all set off by David Quinn.

The irony.

Not at all. If anyone could be in league with the Prince of Darkness, and tweeting at the same time , it would be him

Martina1991 · 22-09-2020 10:55PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote:

I think you are wrong based on this

ACitizenErased wrote:

I think itâ€™s wrong too. Based on this explanation using 80% sensitivity and 99.9% specificity as an example and an actual positivity rate of 0.1%

Ok so you guys think a large proportion of our cases are false even though the assays and methods havent changed and are detecting the same virus, the same way it has from the start with over a 99% rate of detecting the virus when it is present.

s1ippy · 22-09-2020 10:56PM

giveitholly wrote: »

30 CASES, God those were the days!!!

I just drank 30 cases of beer so it was relevant

What Username Guidelines · 22-09-2020 10:57PM

bpb101 wrote: »

One of you iphone and the other is android?
Im iPhone and havent got the covid one, but have for other things

Maybe they were annoying people, but id would have liken to keep them.

Both iPhone. Only difference is I’m on iOS 14, could be that?

Although I’m getting other RTÉ notifications so not sure. Depending on their vendor, they pay for notifications sent, so maybe they’re sending them to a subset now. Not sure.

Goldengirl · 22-09-2020 10:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1308513088191299591?s=20

Eh did you mean to post that here ?

22-09-2020 10:59PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Ok so you guys think a large proportion of our cases are false even though the assays and methods havent changed and are detecting the same virus, the same way it has from the start with over a 99% rate of detecting the virus when it is present.

It's the second wave though. Whole economies and societies are being closed down based on these test results. The decision to close societies is based on the assumption that those cases are infectious and a real threat to others.

Ficheall · 22-09-2020 11:00PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

BOOO !! Has the sky fallen down yet ?

Can people please give Hego a like for his joke. He's put a lot of effort into it.

Hego Damask wrote: »

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Are we all dead yet ?

Hego Damask wrote: »

BOOO!!!!

Hego Damask wrote: »

BOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Hego Damask wrote: »

Has the sky fallen down yet ?

Goldengirl · 22-09-2020 11:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's the second wave though. Whole economies and societies are being closed down based on these test results. The decision to close societies is based on the assumption that those cases are infectious and a real threat to others.

So you did mean to post that tweet.

22-09-2020 11:08PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

So you did mean to post that tweet.

Not allowed to question if a case is a case. We need to find the real cases. There's obviously a problem with testing given hses disclosure tonight and problems all over the world or do we just ignore the problem. Covid is 100 per cent real and has caused alot of suffering.Testing is now a problem. Does this offend?

Wolf359f · 22-09-2020 11:13PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Ok so you guys think a large proportion of our cases are false even though the assays and methods havent changed and are detecting the same virus, the same way it has from the start with over a 99% rate of detecting the virus when it is present.

Assuming that for every 125 tests, you will have 1 false positive (as some are saying)
It means New Zealand, Australia, Thailand, Lativa, Lithuania, Taiwan, Malayasia & Thailand, all of their positive cases are in fact false positives.

caveat emptor · 22-09-2020 11:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think it’s wrong too. Based on this explanation using 80% sensitivity and 99.9% specificity as an example and an actual positivity rate of 0.1%

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-many-covid-diagnoses-are-false-positives-

What the 99% sensitivity is is not what you think it is. Looks like people think it is the positive predictive value. It's not.

A serious amount of misinformation flying around regarding this. It's not easy to grasp and I count myself when saying this. I doubt this will make any difference to people with entrenched opinions.

I honestly don't know if it's a problem. It might well be.
They need to clarify it.

Away With The Fairies · 22-09-2020 11:24PM

Why did the CDC remove their comment that the virus is airborne?

22-09-2020 11:24PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Eh did you mean to post that here ?

Didn't realise your a mod now. You seem to be suggesting conspiracy theories etc. I'm reflecting the growing frustrations and limitations people are having with testing at present.

douglashyde · 22-09-2020 11:38PM

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/government-will-spend-9bn-on-covid-19-fight-next-year-39554685.html

"The Government will spend €9bn next year fighting Covid-19, Public Expenditure Minister Michael McGrath has revealed." my god.

Now maybe stupid old douglashyde has got the maths wrong, but: we're seeing virtually no deaths / slight increases in hospital admissions and most importantly an advanced mean age of death (83) and 98% comorbidity with COVID 19. We have livelihoods massively impacted, other health conditions neglected... life taken out of life.

Then, we as a country are committing 9BN to combat this virus.

I remember sitting with my wife in St Vincents (about 2016) with what was thought was an mild aneurism or tumor on the brain for a scan for 48 hours - turns out it was an atypical migraine.... Every year we go through the same-old winter of under funded health care with little money/effort to fix the problem..... We need serious capital investment across this country in general.

The level of bureaucracy, status quo and lack of critical thinking from what is suppose to be the 'the middle' parties is amazing.

Maybe the masses will need to feel it first hand before they question the obvious.... I'm not worried about about CV19, I'm worried about what comes next because of the induced lunacy.

22-09-2020 11:38PM

Is there any update to be had in regards to Louth, Donegal and Waterford?

Are we expecting level 3 imposed soon, or is it more likely they will let the 3 week dublin restrictions run their course before closing anywhere else down?

Ficheall · 22-09-2020 11:39PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I doubt this will make any difference to people with entrenched opinions.

You said false negatives would outweigh false positives because of the differing rates. This would be true if there were similar numbers of both positives and negatives in the population, but there aren't.
You also have to take into account the number of positives and negatives that actually exist.

It's like if I drop a beach ball off a roof in Leitrim vs. dropping a table tennis ball off a roof in central London. Sure, the beach ball would be more likely to catch someone a smack if there were the same number of pedestrians wandering about, but because there are a gazillion pedestrians for the table tennis ball to hit, it's more likely to hit someone.

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 11:40PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Ok so you guys think a large proportion of our cases are false even though the assays and methods havent changed and are detecting the same virus, the same way it has from the start with over a 99% rate of detecting the virus when it is present.

With all due respect, how do you know the NVRL haven’t changed testing methods since March?

caveat emptor · 22-09-2020 11:56PM

Ficheall wrote: »

You said false negatives would outweigh false positives because of the differing rates. This would be true if there were similar numbers of both positives and negatives in the population, but there aren't.
You also have to take into account the number of positives and negatives that actually exist.

It's like if I drop a beach ball off a roof in Leitrim vs. dropping a table tennis ball off a roof in central London. Sure, the beach ball would be more likely to catch someone a smack if there were the same number of pedestrians wandering about, but because there are a gazillion pedestrians for the table tennis ball to hit, it's more likely to hit someone.

Yeah I see your point. You are right. I did a bit a research and I'm still a bit confused. I would hope that people getting sent for testing have a higher probability of having covid as in they had a close contact or symptoms etc. I guess it comes down to the probability of someone having covid getting sent for a test. I posted the formula and a visualisation to help. I also said it could well be an issue and the government need to clarify.

This is not my area of expertise so I'll not get involved if that's ok.

I'll follow my own advice and say "I don't know".

Fair play if you do know. I'll let other's like yourself keep me informed.

MadYaker · 22-09-2020 11:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not allowed to question if a case is a case. We need to find the real cases. There's obviously a problem with testing given hses disclosure tonight and problems all over the world or do we just ignore the problem. Covid is 100 per cent real and has caused alot of suffering.Testing is now a problem. Does this offend?

Its a problem for sure but it doesn't change the fact that ICUs and hospitals are getting busier with covid patients. Its better than false negatives at least.

Goldengirl · 23-09-2020 12:23AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not allowed to question if a case is a case. We need to find the real cases. There's obviously a problem with testing given hses disclosure tonight and problems all over the world or do we just ignore the problem. Covid is 100 per cent real and has caused alot of suffering.Testing is now a problem. Does this offend?

Of course you are allowed question anything .

But in questioning one needs to make sure that the information you are using to question is reliable , factual and not biased .

The tweet I was asking about was the link you posted to a person called Andrew Bostom .

Do you know anything about him or do you just like what he has to say ?

Goldengirl · 23-09-2020 12:32AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Didn't realise your a mod now. You seem to be suggesting conspiracy theories etc. I'm reflecting the growing frustrations and limitations people are having with testing at present.

Why would you say that ? All I wondered was why you were posting a tweet from an American guy who , by the way , appears to be an anti mask and Covid conspiracy theorists , without saying anything about it . Why would that be modding ?
I never thought it was about conspiracy theories till you posted it , just thought you made a mistake and hit on the wrong link .
Now I know it is , and am not interested . Goodnight .

23-09-2020 12:39AM

normanoffside wrote: »

She was on BBC Question time last week as well.

And didn't come across well at all, a telecoms billionaire on the same panel had her flustered and stuttering.

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