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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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    #5732
    [Deleted User]
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    Balmed Out wrote: »
    Disappointed for people and business's in Dublin. I'd like to have seen every business given the opportunity to open / remain open. Was in the north east recently and the level of compliance with social distancing and masks was poor compared to West Cork. On busier streets most will wear a mask here while no one seemed to in the north east with plenty not doing it in shops etc either.

    All counties will be in same boat soon enough of that I'm sure of.


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    #5733
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    delly wrote: »
    I find it hilarious that people are blaming NPHET for 'forcing' people into mass gatherings at home. Jesus Christ people, they can only do so much and at the end of the day it comes down to personal responsibility. Not a single person outside my household has crossed my front door since March. It sucks, but that's just the way it is.

    The selfish generation, that's what we have now. And before people think im sh1tting all over Ireland im not. It's the same in most western nations.


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    #5734
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,863 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What did they say about the USC? A temporary measure?
    Didn't FG say they were going to phase it out in 5 budgets at one stage....lol


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    #5735
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    Deleted User wrote: »
    All counties will be in same boat soon enough of that I'm sure of.

    One way or the other


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    #5736
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,930 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Seamai wrote: »
    I was on one of those ferries once from Tallinn to Helsinki, I was probably the only sober person on it, skidded on vomit several times.

    The 'Booze cruise' as they call it.
    Luckily they are still both on each others green lists and were so throughout the pandemic :)

    But yeah, us Irish can't be trusted so we should close our own off licences :rolleyes:


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    #5737
    Hego Damask
    Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!



    Are we all dead yet ?


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    #5738
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Hego Damask wrote: »
    BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!



    Are we all dead yet ?

    Classy.


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    #5739
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Deleted User wrote: »
    All counties will be in same boat soon enough of that I'm sure of.

    Nolan flagged some counties and also mentioned the rest are on the same curve as Dublin, just a little behind. How opening pint pubs will help lower cases or level them off in the rest of the country will be interesting. Maybe the house cluster will move to the pubs instead?


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    #5740
    MaccaTacca
    Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭MaccaTacca


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    So for example people in Shankill or any other border area in Dublin can't go into a restaurant if this comes to pass in their local area but they can hop onto a dart or a bus and head into Bray for example and have a meal and a few drinks.

    Absolutely no logic to this, close the controlled environment to stop house gatherings.... because that makes loads of sense

    They can walk that distance in 25 minutes.

    The whole thing is absolute joke at this point.


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    #5741
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Hego Damask wrote: »
    BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!



    Are we all dead yet ?

    Death is guaranteed, for everyone. When and how is the only uncertainty.


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    #5742
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,930 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Spiderman0081 wrote: »
    What are you on about?

    What are you on about?


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    #5743
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    If the Dubs flock to the West they'll probably get the American treatment, 'Did you self isolate?'.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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    #5744
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Dan O' Brien talking sense on TV3, down with that sort of thing.


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    #5745
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    DangerScouse wrote: »
    The selfish generation, that's what we have now. And before people think im sh1tting all over Ireland im not. It's the same in most western nations.

    My feelings on this from the start. Look at countries with a very western culture. Or a culture based on the individual rights above the collective. USA, Brazil, much of western europe maybe with exception of a few scandinavian countries and Germany.


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    #5746
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    MaccaTacca wrote: »
    They can walk that distance in 25 minutes.

    The whole thing is absolute joke at this point.

    What would you suggest?
    Same restrictions all over the country or no extra ones for Dublin?
    Or have a referendum to change the constitution to allow guards effectively police houses?


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    #5747
    growleaves
    Registered Users Posts: 7,719 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Plenty here talking about my area is good numbers wise. A small bit distasteful in polite conversation.
    I hear cork is doing great. We are great at giving ourselves a pat on the back. You wouldn't catch a swede doing that.

    Well okay but that is regionalism. Many Irish are embarrassed by personal compliments.


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    #5748
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    If the Dubs flock to the West they'll probably get the American treatment, 'Did you self isolate?'.

    What about all the country folk living in Dublin bringing home the washing?


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    #5749
    speckle
    Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Death is guaranteed, for everyone. When and how is the only uncertainty.


    Yes however,
    'Death is but, a mid point in life ' for some...


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    #5750
    political analyst
    Registered Users Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Is the government aiming to eradicate the virus by having regional lockdowns?


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    #5751
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 12,015 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    But can people not see how stupid it is when there's these quite obvious loopholes.

    You close controlled environments and basically funnel people back into houses.

    Last week they wanted to keep these open and open pubs to bring people out of houses into controlled settings

    My opinion was that many pubs that are not enforcing or complying with the whole food and distancing are causing this spread in Dublin.

    Then you come along, MrRational , and I agree it would be better to have them in a controlled environment .

    But that is the crux of the matter ...if pubs aren't complying , which quite a few in Dublin are not , and people are not telling contact tracers how they were rocking in Camden St a week ago , and the guards can't be arsed chasing down the pubs that are the problem , what hope have we with this ?

    And don't anyone come back to me and say that ALL pubs are compliant , because they are not !


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    #5752
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    My opinion was that many pubs that are not enforcing or complying with the whole food and distancing are causing this spread in Dublin.

    Then you come along, MrRational , and I agree it would be better to have them in a controlled environment .

    But that is the crux of the matter ...if pubs aren't complying , which quite a few in Dublin are not , and people are not telling contact tracers how they were rocking in Camden St a week ago , and the guards can't be arsed chasing down the pubs that are the problem , what hope have we with this ?

    And don't anyone come back to me and say that ALL pubs are compliant , because they are not !

    Not just in Dublin in my experience few in Carlow town too.


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    #5753
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,459 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Teachers in limbo. App says close contact, department says not.
    Not a nice position for anyone to be in.

    https://twitter.com/emma_okelly/status/1306644986340036610?s=20

    HSE also said the App had 'made a mistake'.


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    #5754
    alentejo
    Registered Users Posts: 889 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    My opinion was that many pubs that are not enforcing or complying with the whole food and distancing are causing this spread in Dublin.

    Then you come along, MrRational , and I agree it would be better to have them in a controlled environment .

    But that is the crux of the matter ...if pubs aren't complying , which quite a few in Dublin are not , and people are not telling contact tracers how they were rocking in Camden St a week ago , and the guards can't be arsed chasing down the pubs that are the problem , what hope have we with this ?

    And don't anyone come back to me and say that ALL pubs are compliant , because they are not !

    The evidence would tend to suggest that the home is the most risky environment not necessarily pubs.


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    #5755
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    My opinion was that many pubs that are not enforcing or complying with the whole food and distancing are causing this spread in Dublin.

    Then you come along, MrRational , and I agree it would be better to have them in a controlled environment .

    But that is the crux of the matter ...if pubs aren't complying , which quite a few in Dublin are not , and people are not telling contact tracers how they were rocking in Camden St a week ago , and the guards can't be arsed chasing down the pubs that are the problem , what hope have we with this ?

    And don't anyone come back to me and say that ALL pubs are compliant , because they are not !

    It will be far easier to control licensed premises than private homes. History has shown this.

    I don’t disagree that there is an issue. I just think the response is misguided. The problem is not in regulated premises, rather the contrary.

    NPHET want another lockdown but the people are not with them on this one - in March it was the people who demanded it.


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    #5756
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    What would you suggest?
    Same restrictions all over the country or no extra ones for Dublin?
    Or have a referendum to change the constitution to allow guards effectively police houses?

    Think a clear narrative of don't go inside another's home. The peer pressure to stand apart, wear masks etc is absent behind closed doors so would prefer that and business given the opportunity to trade with exceptions for carers etc

    I think most people try to follow the rules and will follow the norms they see about them, if there's confusion etc compliance breaks down as people copy what they see others doing. If its passing via people mixing in each others homes and we want to actively try to reduce it than a clear and consistent message will go further than anything the guards will do.


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    #5757
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    My opinion was that many pubs that are not enforcing or complying with the whole food and distancing are causing this spread in Dublin.

    Then you come along, MrRational , and I agree it would be better to have them in a controlled environment .

    But that is the crux of the matter ...if pubs aren't complying , which quite a few in Dublin are not , and people are not telling contact tracers how they were rocking in Camden St a week ago , and the guards can't be arsed chasing down the pubs that are the problem , what hope have we with this ?

    And don't anyone come back to me and say that ALL pubs are compliant , because they are not !
    Was there not meant to be powers for the Guards to shut down non compliant pubs? Or is that coming when the pint pubs reopen?
    Maybe if they enforce it, compliance will increase. Can't imagine many pubs would like to be shut down on the spot.


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    #5758
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    HSE also said the App had 'made a mistake'.

    Indeed the app is in line with the HSE approach.


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    #5759
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Hego Damask wrote: »
    BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!



    Are we all dead yet ?

    Clinically dead ? No? it would seem however that quite a few are brain dead though I very much doubt that Covid can be blamed for that.


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    #5760
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,059 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    In a practical sense, this amounts to closing pubs and restaurants. We don't have the weather for outdoor dining.


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    #5761
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Dan O' Brien talking sense on TV3, down with that sort of thing.

    Economist of think thank makes me feel better. He is so concerned for young people.

    WHO's mike Ryan says we don't know about the long term effects for young people.

    Meanwhile we will need 2 cases in a class for any restrictions to occur. Great stuff.

    https://twitter.com/AlbertoAngelo17/status/1306609814018162688?s=20


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