Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Happydays2020 · 22-09-2020 09:22PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Fairly serious in the UK with the penalties and restrictions there and them being told it’ll likely last 6 months. Hopefully our 3 week one will sort it out. Also interesting to see him say that cocooning is a load of crap as it’ll get to old people anyway and overrun the system of measures not in place.

As much domestic politics as anything else....

firemansam4 · 22-09-2020 09:29PM

Gradius wrote:

It's actually quite bizarre seeing fiction come to life.

ACitizenErased wrote:

Watched it back in March. Insane how alike to now it is.

I watched it earlier in the year as well, while a lot of stuff had a lot of similarities. The main big difference was that the fatality rate of the disease in that film was something like 30% and not 0.05% or what ever the true rate is now.

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 09:31PM

Very interesting thread. Some believe that since June, our testing methods have changed, and a higher amount of false positive tests are being returned.
https://twitter.com/kilkelly/status/1307052803957960704?s=20

polesheep · 22-09-2020 09:31PM

Looks like it's back in the nursing homes. Issue this time is staff moving between facilities. No doubt they'll blame the people in Oliver Bond and call for a lockdown.

landofthetree · 22-09-2020 09:34PM

polesheep wrote: »

Looks like it's back in the nursing homes. Issue this time is staff moving between facilities. No doubt they'll blame the people in Oliver Bond and call for a lockdown.

But that's literally how it gets into nursing homes.

22-09-2020 09:35PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Level 1 is incredibly unlikely before winter is over. Most optimistic bet would be that if a vaccine starts being rolled out and is seen as being effective that they'd move us to level 1 then and then after some time passes give the all clear and be done with levels altogether.

When we get nearing that stage I reckon there will be some political "fun" going on. When a critical number (practically all vulnerable vaccinated and remainder vaccine program just commenced) we will be at that level, and then there'll be some hiccup or blunder about availability of further vaccines, with what would then be seen as an unnecessary continuation with any restrictions.

Plumbthedepths · 22-09-2020 09:37PM

landofthetree wrote: »

But that's literally how it gets into nursing homes.

Which is it, staff moving between facilities or people having a Rave (applying a very loose definition of Rave).

Goldengirl · 22-09-2020 09:38PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Good point but have to factor in how good the motorway system is and how ****e some of our normal roads are.

Yes roads up here to Belfast are great . That journey from Mitchellstown to Castletownbere is tougher going .

Jinglejangle69 · 22-09-2020 09:38PM

polesheep wrote: »

Looks like it's back in the nursing homes. Issue this time is staff moving between facilities. No doubt they'll blame the people in Oliver Bond and call for a lockdown.

Or Tony Hoolahan.

Arghus · 22-09-2020 09:39PM

polesheep wrote: »

Looks like it's back in the nursing homes. Issue this time is staff moving between facilities. No doubt they'll blame the people in Oliver Bond and call for a lockdown.

Illustrative again of how "just isolate the vulnerable" is easier said than done.

Widdensushi · 22-09-2020 09:40PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes roads up here to Belfast are great . That journey from Mitchellstown to Castletownbere is tougher going .

Will ye stop, what few dubs haven't been down the last few months will be down

bb1234567 · 22-09-2020 09:40PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Oh **** me, its like the 2 weeks behind Italy stuff from February. Have you anything remotely positive to say.

Hard to say anything positive about Europe at this minute, it's a pretty rapid decline of the situation, over 400 ICU admissions in the EU in the last 48 hours. Some positive news is it is stabilising in much of South America, it is really good news there has been a lot of suffering there in recent months.

caveat emptor · 22-09-2020 09:42PM

Some ICUs in Madrid are full.

This already generates a very difficult problem for us to solve.
We may be sending a non-infected person to catch the virus just because they have a cold,
and send asymptomatic infected to the clean area. It has already happened to us several times.
A person who comes for any ailment, you go to a clean area, you do the PCR like everyone else and it comes out positive.
This puts health workers and patients at risk ”, indicate health workers.
That the pictures are less severe, or even asymptomatic, does not mean that the virus is now less lethal.
“A few days ago, a 19-year-old girl came to us with anxiety, that led to cardiac arrest and she died right there.
She died of a massive thrombus. I have already had four cardiac arrests of people under 25 years of age due to thrombi,
people who did not present unusual external symptoms ”.

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1308372692857356288?s=20

polesheep · 22-09-2020 09:45PM

landofthetree wrote: »

But that's literally how it gets into nursing homes.

You don't think rules around staff doing overtime in multiple facilities would be useful? You prefer to think that staff partying in Oliver Bond is the issue?

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 09:45PM

Fairly big development in the last hour.
HSE admits that 70-80 cases per day (for 10000 tests) are false positives.
Christ.
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1308493818027741184?s=20

polesheep · 22-09-2020 09:46PM

Arghus wrote: »

Illustrative again of how "just isolate the vulnerable" is easier said than done.

No, illustrative of how those responsible cannot protect those that are obviously the most vulnerable.

GooglePlus · 22-09-2020 09:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fairly big development in the last hour.
HSE admits that 70-80 cases per day (for 10000 tests) are false positives.
Christ.
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1308493818027741184?s=20

Probably good reason to keep an eye hospitalisations and ICU admissions primarily over cases. How are they going?

How do they know false positives are false positives in order to provide that 70-80 figure?

fritzelly · 22-09-2020 09:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fairly big development in the last hour.
HSE admits that 70-80 cases per day (for 10000 tests) are false positives.
Christ.
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1308493818027741184?s=20

That means nearly every day half (and maybe more) of all these positive cases are not positive yet we are killing the economy

jojofizzio · 22-09-2020 09:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fairly big development in the last hour.
HSE admits that 70-80 cases per day (for 10000 tests) are false positives.
Christ.
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1308493818027741184?s=20

Ah FFS:rolleyes:

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 09:50PM

Based on the HSE response just now... we've had approx 600 false positives in the last 7 days..........

gmisk · 22-09-2020 09:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fairly big development in the last hour.
HSE admits that 70-80 cases per day (for 10000 tests) are false positives.
Christ.
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1308493818027741184?s=20

Is it really though?
Tests can give false negatives as well as false positives.
David Quinn acting like he has just uncovered a massive story....he really hasn't.

DangerScouse · 22-09-2020 09:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Based on the HSE response just now... we've had approx 600 false positives in the last 7 days..........

:rolleyes:

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 09:52PM

gmisk wrote: »

Is it really though?
Tests can give false negatives as well as false positives.

We're using such a high PCR cycle I'm fairly certain the chances of false negatives are quite low.

GooglePlus · 22-09-2020 09:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Based on the HSE response just now... we've had approx 600 false positives in the last 7 days..........

You didn't mention the fact that they retest weak positives so this reduces false positives overall and unlikely that they're as high as you say.

2ndcoming · 22-09-2020 09:53PM

From the Twitter of the Director of the Iona Institute. Ask me hole.

Here's a more substantiated explanation for anyone who still prefers their info in more than the out of context clippings of articles from lunatics' twitter pages.

https://modernsocietyinitiative.org/latest-research/f/rr-why-false-positives-arent-driving-the-rise-in-covid-cases

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 09:53PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

:rolleyes:

You want the math? Read the HSE response. For every 10,000 there's 70-80.
We've done 90,000 past 7 days.
Multiply 70-80 by 7.
Between 490 and 560.
Am I wrong?

gmisk · 22-09-2020 09:54PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

You didn't mention the fact that they retest weak positives so this reduces false positives overall and unlikely that they're as high as you say.

Exactly

Goldengirl · 22-09-2020 09:54PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Will ye stop, what few dubs haven't been down the last few months will be down

nah too far far away !

fritzelly · 22-09-2020 09:54PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

You didn't mention the fact that they retest weak positives so this reduces false positives overall and unlikely that they're as high as you say.

Where has it been said they are doing that? Going by the twitter attachment they are not doing it

GooglePlus · 22-09-2020 09:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You want the math? Read the HSE response. For every 10,000 there's 70-80.
We've done 90,000 past 7 days.
Multiply 70-80 by 7.
Between 490 and 560.
Am I wrong?

Yes, you're wrong. You didn't read the thing fully. They retest weak positives, so the figure for false positives quoted there is likely lower

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