Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 22-09-2020 08:37PM

landofthetree wrote: »

But that's literally how it gets into nursing homes.

Which is it, staff moving between facilities or people having a Rave (applying a very loose definition of Rave).

Goldengirl · 22-09-2020 08:38PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Good point but have to factor in how good the motorway system is and how ****e some of our normal roads are.

Yes roads up here to Belfast are great . That journey from Mitchellstown to Castletownbere is tougher going .

Jinglejangle69 · 22-09-2020 08:38PM

polesheep wrote: »

Looks like it's back in the nursing homes. Issue this time is staff moving between facilities. No doubt they'll blame the people in Oliver Bond and call for a lockdown.

Or Tony Hoolahan.

Arghus · 22-09-2020 08:39PM

polesheep wrote: »

Looks like it's back in the nursing homes. Issue this time is staff moving between facilities. No doubt they'll blame the people in Oliver Bond and call for a lockdown.

Illustrative again of how "just isolate the vulnerable" is easier said than done.

Widdensushi · 22-09-2020 08:40PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes roads up here to Belfast are great . That journey from Mitchellstown to Castletownbere is tougher going .

Will ye stop, what few dubs haven't been down the last few months will be down

bb1234567 · 22-09-2020 08:40PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Oh **** me, its like the 2 weeks behind Italy stuff from February. Have you anything remotely positive to say.

Hard to say anything positive about Europe at this minute, it's a pretty rapid decline of the situation, over 400 ICU admissions in the EU in the last 48 hours. Some positive news is it is stabilising in much of South America, it is really good news there has been a lot of suffering there in recent months.

caveat emptor · 22-09-2020 08:42PM

Some ICUs in Madrid are full.

This already generates a very difficult problem for us to solve.
We may be sending a non-infected person to catch the virus just because they have a cold,
and send asymptomatic infected to the clean area. It has already happened to us several times.
A person who comes for any ailment, you go to a clean area, you do the PCR like everyone else and it comes out positive.
This puts health workers and patients at risk ”, indicate health workers.
That the pictures are less severe, or even asymptomatic, does not mean that the virus is now less lethal.
“A few days ago, a 19-year-old girl came to us with anxiety, that led to cardiac arrest and she died right there.
She died of a massive thrombus. I have already had four cardiac arrests of people under 25 years of age due to thrombi,
people who did not present unusual external symptoms ”.

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1308372692857356288?s=20

polesheep · 22-09-2020 08:45PM

landofthetree wrote: »

But that's literally how it gets into nursing homes.

You don't think rules around staff doing overtime in multiple facilities would be useful? You prefer to think that staff partying in Oliver Bond is the issue?

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 08:45PM

Fairly big development in the last hour.
HSE admits that 70-80 cases per day (for 10000 tests) are false positives.
Christ.
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1308493818027741184?s=20

polesheep · 22-09-2020 08:46PM

Arghus wrote: »

Illustrative again of how "just isolate the vulnerable" is easier said than done.

No, illustrative of how those responsible cannot protect those that are obviously the most vulnerable.

GooglePlus · 22-09-2020 08:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fairly big development in the last hour.
HSE admits that 70-80 cases per day (for 10000 tests) are false positives.
Christ.
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1308493818027741184?s=20

Probably good reason to keep an eye hospitalisations and ICU admissions primarily over cases. How are they going?

How do they know false positives are false positives in order to provide that 70-80 figure?

fritzelly · 22-09-2020 08:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fairly big development in the last hour.
HSE admits that 70-80 cases per day (for 10000 tests) are false positives.
Christ.
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1308493818027741184?s=20

That means nearly every day half (and maybe more) of all these positive cases are not positive yet we are killing the economy

jojofizzio · 22-09-2020 08:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fairly big development in the last hour.
HSE admits that 70-80 cases per day (for 10000 tests) are false positives.
Christ.
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1308493818027741184?s=20

Ah FFS:rolleyes:

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 08:50PM

Based on the HSE response just now... we've had approx 600 false positives in the last 7 days..........

gmisk · 22-09-2020 08:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fairly big development in the last hour.
HSE admits that 70-80 cases per day (for 10000 tests) are false positives.
Christ.
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1308493818027741184?s=20

Is it really though?
Tests can give false negatives as well as false positives.
David Quinn acting like he has just uncovered a massive story....he really hasn't.

DangerScouse · 22-09-2020 08:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Based on the HSE response just now... we've had approx 600 false positives in the last 7 days..........

:rolleyes:

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 08:52PM

gmisk wrote: »

Is it really though?
Tests can give false negatives as well as false positives.

We're using such a high PCR cycle I'm fairly certain the chances of false negatives are quite low.

GooglePlus · 22-09-2020 08:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Based on the HSE response just now... we've had approx 600 false positives in the last 7 days..........

You didn't mention the fact that they retest weak positives so this reduces false positives overall and unlikely that they're as high as you say.

2ndcoming · 22-09-2020 08:53PM

From the Twitter of the Director of the Iona Institute. Ask me hole.

Here's a more substantiated explanation for anyone who still prefers their info in more than the out of context clippings of articles from lunatics' twitter pages.

https://modernsocietyinitiative.org/latest-research/f/rr-why-false-positives-arent-driving-the-rise-in-covid-cases

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 08:53PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

:rolleyes:

You want the math? Read the HSE response. For every 10,000 there's 70-80.
We've done 90,000 past 7 days.
Multiply 70-80 by 7.
Between 490 and 560.
Am I wrong?

gmisk · 22-09-2020 08:54PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

You didn't mention the fact that they retest weak positives so this reduces false positives overall and unlikely that they're as high as you say.

Exactly

Goldengirl · 22-09-2020 08:54PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Will ye stop, what few dubs haven't been down the last few months will be down

nah too far far away !

fritzelly · 22-09-2020 08:54PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

You didn't mention the fact that they retest weak positives so this reduces false positives overall and unlikely that they're as high as you say.

Where has it been said they are doing that? Going by the twitter attachment they are not doing it

GooglePlus · 22-09-2020 08:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You want the math? Read the HSE response. For every 10,000 there's 70-80.
We've done 90,000 past 7 days.
Multiply 70-80 by 7.
Between 490 and 560.
Am I wrong?

Yes, you're wrong. You didn't read the thing fully. They retest weak positives, so the figure for false positives quoted there is likely lower

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 08:55PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

You didn't mention the fact that they retest weak positives so this reduces false positives overall and unlikely that they're as high as you say.

It says that it is incredibly difficult to distinguish between weak positives and false positives because the PCR cycle rate of 35-40 is so high. De Gascun spoke about this in his tweets.
https://twitter.com/CillianDeGascun/status/1305252480213803008?s=20

growleaves · 22-09-2020 08:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Based on the HSE response just now... we've had approx 600 false positives in the last 7 days..........

What :eek:

GooglePlus · 22-09-2020 08:55PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Where has it been said they are doing that? Going by the twitter attachment they are not doing it

It's on the photo attached on the tweet, the actual release from the HSE, not the tweet. Click into it.

ACitizenErased · 22-09-2020 08:55PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Yes, you're wrong. You didn't read the thing fully. They retest weak positives, so the figure for false positives quoted there is likely lower

https://twitter.com/CillianDeGascun/status/1305252480213803008?s=20

22-09-2020 08:55PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

Can someone tell me what number of cases per 100,00 population does it take for a county to go into Level 3 or down to Level 1?

Level 1 is fantasy. 2021.

Level 3 I would say over 100 per 100,000 with a decent percentage of community transmission.

gmisk · 22-09-2020 08:56PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We're using such a high PCR cycle I'm fairly certain the chances of false negatives are quite low.

Is this like you were sure there would be no second wave? And then you said there was always going to be a second wave?

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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