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The death of Thiago Cortes MOD NOTE IN OP

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    #362
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    We really need a more forceful police force backed up by the justice system who are able to tell the hug a hoodie crowd to go fcuk themselves.


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    #363
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Gardai in the area are unmotivated. Could you blame them the way the judges and legal system act. I'm living in the area, so many little scumbags.

    Rubbish. They'd be motivated quick enough if a mansion in Foxrock was been broken into. Let's call a spade a spade a lot of them are actually afraid of these little sh1ts. It's not just city centre either these scummers are ruining areas all over the country.


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    #364
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    It's not just city centre either these scummers are ruining areas all over the country.

    Indeed.

    Theres a group of teenagers that hang around McDonalds in the mill centre in clondalkin most days, causing trouble. Lately its been firing fireworks at houses and the like.

    The Garda station is less than 100m away, across the road from McDonalds. They do fook all about it. The group is there from the afternoon till after 10 most nights. It's not like they'd have to go far to find them and there no way they cant hear and see them.


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    #365
    saabsaab
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    Might a 'drunk tank' type solution work? Lock up for 24 hrs when there is any anti social behaviour. Keep at it for a year or so..


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    #366
    1990sman
    Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭1990sman


    have they identified or gotten the driver? alot of speculation i know but so many road deaths in this country, is it bad roads versus modern faster cars? anyone lost on the roads is a tragic and unnecessary death imo.


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    #367
    ordinaryfella
    Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭ordinaryfella


    Saw this story and reminded me of this thread. More examples of how these people are just allowed to be attacked: https://extra.ie/2020/09/12/news/irish-news/deliveroo-cyclists-tell-how-they-are-routinely-attacked-on-treacherous-routes

    Still no word on arrests and it seems to have gone completely out of the news cycle. I emailed 4 tds about this and got 2 boilerplate/automated replies thanking me for the email. No one in power cares.


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    #368
    DelaneyIn
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    Have they made any arrests in relation to this?


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    #369
    AndrewJRenko
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    https://twitter.com/marie_sherlock/status/1306595348618424323?s=19


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    #370
    Mongfinder General
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/marie_sherlock/status/1306595348618424323?s=19

    Unbelievable. She's pointing the finger at deliveroo. Any chance of her campaigning for tougher sentences for the actions of an unlicensed, dangerous driver who left a defenceless cyclist to die on the side of the road?


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    #371
    AndrewJRenko
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    Mongfinder General wrote: »
    Unbelievable. She's pointing the finger at deliveroo. Any chance of her campaigning for tougher sentences for the actions of an unlicensed, dangerous driver who left a defenceless cyclist to die on the side of the road?

    Any employer (whether direct or sub-contractor) has a legal obligation to provide a safe working environment for their employee. The HSA investigation should see if Deliveroo met those obligations.


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    #372
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/marie_sherlock/status/1306595348618424323?s=19

    If ever there was a case of someone trying to make themselves relevant.

    Deliveroo provides an in demand service.


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    #373
    AndrewJRenko
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    ChikiChiki wrote: »

    Deliveroo provides an in demand service.

    It doesn't matter whether it is in-demand or not. They STILL have to provide a safe working environment for their employees and contractors.


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    #374
    DangerScouse
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/marie_sherlock/status/1306595348618424323?s=19

    They could start by paying their employees sick pay and annual leave etc..


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    #375
    Atlantic Dawn
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Any employer (whether direct or sub-contractor) has a legal obligation to provide a safe working environment for their employee. The HSA investigation should see if Deliveroo met those obligations.


    Unless they provided him with an Abrams tank to drive around in his safety couldn't be guaranteed against a juvenille driving unlicenced in a car which had no insurance, tax or nct all of which are legal requirements in this country to be on the road.


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    #376
    AndrewJRenko
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Unless they provided him with an Abrams tank to drive around in his safety couldn't be guaranteed against a juvenille driving unlicenced in a car which had no insurance, tax or nct all of which are legal requirements in this country to be on the road.

    And if they knew that was a credible risk, and failed to take any mitigating steps (and that's exactly the kind of thing an investigation would show up), they may well have breached the Health, Safety and Welfare at Work Act.


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    #377
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,982 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/marie_sherlock/status/1306595348618424323?s=19
    "Traffic accident" FFS!
    :rolleyes:


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    #378
    Topgear on Dave
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    "Traffic accident" FFS!
    :rolleyes:

    You have got to recognise that Brazilian fast food delivery guys are not exactly an important voting block. :pac:

    The politicians dont give a f*ck.


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    #379
    CucaFace
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Any employer (whether direct or sub-contractor) has a legal obligation to provide a safe working environment for their employee. The HSA investigation should see if Deliveroo met those obligations.


    The actual reality here is that Thiago would have actually registered under someone elses name and pps number. Non EU residents as far as i know cannot work for Deliveroo. The vast vast majority are actually working under other peoples details (people who have a EU passport) in exchange for €50 a week or 10% of their weekly take.



    But really anyone thinking that deliveroo are somehow to blame are living in a another world.



    All the blame here is with the scumbags who killed this guy.


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    #380
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    How far left you have to be to blame a company for the death this poor man?

    Some people here should be ashamed of their behaviour.


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    #381
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,532 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    CucaFace wrote: »
    The actual reality here is that Thiago would have actually registered under someone elses name and pps number. Non EU residents as far as i know cannot work for Deliveroo. The vast vast majority are actually working under other peoples details (people who have a EU passport) in exchange for €50 a week or 10% of their weekly take.


    .

    What's that got to do with Deliveroo's obligations under health and safety legislation?


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    #382
    Tombo2001
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    CucaFace wrote: »
    The actual reality here is that Thiago would have actually registered under someone elses name and pps number. Non EU residents as far as i know cannot work for Deliveroo. The vast vast majority are actually working under other peoples details (people who have a EU passport) in exchange for €50 a week or 10% of their weekly take.



    But really anyone thinking that deliveroo are somehow to blame are living in a another world.



    All the blame here is with the scumbags who killed this guy.

    (I) I think speculation about his work permit is inappropriate.

    (II) I agree 100% about your comments on deliveroo.


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    #383
    CucaFace
    Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭CucaFace


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    (I) I think speculation about his work permit is inappropriate.

    (II) I agree 100% about your comments on deliveroo.


    I made no comments regarding his work permit per say as i know he was on an English course which means he can work here legally. I work in the English language sector so i know all this pretty well and have many many friends working for Deliveroo. Non EU residents can't actually work for this company so they all work under other peoples names and PPS numbers who charge them money for this. This i feel will complicate any help Thiago's family will get from Deliveroo (unfortunately).


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    #384
    suicide_circus
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    CucaFace wrote: »
    I made no comments regarding his work permit per say as i know he was on an English course which means he can work here legally. I work in the English language sector so i know all this pretty well and have many many friends working for Deliveroo. Non EU residents can't actually work for this company so they all work under other peoples names and PPS numbers who charge them money for this. This i feel will complicate any help Thiago's family will get from Deliveroo (unfortunately).

    Interesting. In my experience the vast majority of Deliveroo staff in Dublin are Brazilian. You sure non EU folk cant work for them?


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    #385
    macpaccrack
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 85 ✭✭macpaccrack


    CucaFace wrote: »
    The actual reality here is that Thiago would have actually registered under someone elses name and pps number. Non EU residents as far as i know cannot work for Deliveroo. The vast vast majority are actually working under other peoples details (people who have a EU passport) in exchange for €50 a week or 10% of their weekly take.



    But really anyone thinking that deliveroo are somehow to blame are living in a another world.



    All the blame here is with the scumbags who killed this guy.

    You are such a complete and utter miserable ****.

    That bitterness and resentment must come from years of self loathing you complete sad act


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    #386
    Fritzbox
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    CucaFace wrote: »
    Non EU residents can't actually work for this company

    Why not?

    If they have permission to work in Ireland (as you have stated) why can't they work for a fast food delivery service?


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    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/thiagos-visa-did-not-allow-him-to-work-for-deliveroo-39545166.html

    Well the Indo confirms his visa " did not allow him to work for deliveroo"...i dont have a subscription, does anyone else? Presume his visa only allowed certain types of work and precluded others? Or is it a deliveroo policy? Seems to confirm CucaFaces post.


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    #388
    Gervais08
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    It’s incredibly sad that he has died, and the scum who hit him and ran off should jailed for a significant amount of time (I doubt they will though) but all factors need to be looked at - and if he was not breaking the law he’d likely be alive.

    That’s not cruel, it’s not “victim blaming” - it’s a fact. There is a huge black economy of “language students” coming to Ireland learning nothing but working cash in hand. I’m learning a language currently from a 40 euro app - there must be some other reason people fly round the world???


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    #389
    Beechwoodspark
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    macpaccrack wrote: »
    You are such a complete and utter miserable ****.

    That bitterness and resentment must come from years of self loathing you complete sad act

    That’s a bit much.

    Actually

    Fcuk it - sorry now but that post of yours is completely over the top

    If deliveroo don’t want non Eu employees and Tiago was working for them under false pretenses then take it up with deliveroo !


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    #390
    suicide_circus
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    Gervais08 wrote: »
    There is a huge black economy of “language students” coming to Ireland learning nothing but working cash in hand. I’m learning a language currently from a 40 euro app - there must be some other reason people fly round the world???
    Yeah the language school industry here is largely a crock, has been for years.


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    #391
    Seth Brundle
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    Gervais08 wrote: »
    It’s incredibly sad that he has died, and the scum who hit him and ran off should jailed for a significant amount of time (I doubt they will though) but all factors need to be looked at - and if he was not breaking the law he’d likely be alive.

    That’s not cruel, it’s not “victim blaming” - it’s a fact. There is a huge black economy of “language students” coming to Ireland learning nothing but working cash in hand. I’m learning a language currently from a 40 euro app - there must be some other reason people fly round the world???
    Care to elaborate on the bit in bold?


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