The death of Thiago Cortes MOD NOTE IN OP

Yurt2

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Maybe so...but do they have as many criminals running around free with 10/15/20 convictions!?

Without reference to stats, I'd be fairly sure the US as a whole has a more severe crime problem than Ireland. And that's not to soft-peddle this incident, it's an outrage.

Thelonious Monk

Thiago's gofundme is up to 50k now, great to see. They should refuse to deliver to certain parts of town really.

Yurt2

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Thiago's gofundme is up to 50k now, great to see. They should refuse to deliver to certain parts of town really.

You'd hope Deliveroo do something for his repatriation costs and his fiancée in Ireland also.

Richard Hillman

I'm not sure how deliveroo works but is not like Uber or MyTaxi where you can choose to do the delivery or not?

Fritzbox

Yurt! wrote: »

I think I read during the recent George Floyd events that with recent recruitment we have about as many police in uniform as the US per capita. Worth looking up though.

That really wouldn't be hard - there is no particular reason to believe that the USA actually has a high number of police members per capita compared to other developed countries, is there? In fact the Gardai have 14,000 members according to Wikipedia, so I suspect that Ireland has as many police officers as any other Western European or North American country per capita.

Here's a factoid:
There are almost as many police stations in the Republic of Ireland as there are in NI, Scotland, Wales and the London metropolitan region put together. What does that tell you about policing in Ireland?

Cordell

Yurt! wrote: »

You'd hope Deliveroo do something for his repatriation costs and his fiancée in Ireland also.

You'd hope that they will treat their living employees better but that's not gonna happen either. If they do anything they will do it for PR, but in reality they can only do a single good thing, and that's to pack up and go fk themselves.

lawrencesummers

Cordell wrote: »

You'd hope that they hwill treat their living employees better but that's not gonna happen either. If they do anything they will do it for PR, but in reality they can only do a single good thing, and that's to pack up and go fk themselves.

Don’t hate the player hate the game.

It’s the legislators of this country that need to change the rules, not the companies that are operating (exploiting) within them.

Zero hour contracts should be illegal first and foremost, they are an exercise in control and exploitation. For jobs that are at the minimum wage or very close to it If you can’t agree to give somebody at least a ten hour contract then you shouldn’t be allowed to hire them.

Topgear on Dave

+1 the deliveroo jobs could be wiped out overnight if the legislative willingness was there.

Baggly

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Cordell

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Don’t hate the player hate the game.

Oh but I will, and the supplier and the customer also

DulchieLaois

And what will happen, NOTHING cause the Gardaí are chicken ****, the little ****s will run amok cause they are covered by the law due to their age and they will always be a burden to society until d fools in Leinster house realises this.

The decent hard working people will mourn Thiago cause he was a decent hard working fella, and for his life to be taken away by thugs is not acceptable.

Those thugs should be taken away and the crap beaten out of them, no law should protect them irrespective of age.

whisky_galore

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

+1 the deliveroo jobs could be wiped out overnight if the legislative willingness was there.

It's nothing but a form of coolie type labour. Ashamed that in 21st cent Ireland we think it's ok.

conorhal

topper75 wrote: »

In fairness if there is to be any answer to this madness - it has to be a political one.

The politics of this issue DO, in this instance, actually follow a dichotomy of laissez-faire low-presence policing or soft approach (favoured by leftists who see the scum as disenfranchised and needing their 'voice') and the get-tough measures of keen policing and stiff sentencing favoured by the right.

It wasn't shoe-horned at all.

I have to agree with that. We've spent 51 million on the land and servicing it since the Thornton Hall site was bought in the 90's and still no prision has been built.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/thornton-hall-prison-site-that-cost-state-51m-offered-for-housing-1.3756763

The reality is that judges are told not to impose custodial sentences because the places don't exist to jail offenders.
This is policy, the most telling part of that article I posted has got to be:
"When this was put to the department, a spokesman said the large prison originally envisaged in 2005 by the then government was now regarded, in modern penal policy terms, as “counterproductive”.


So there you go, we don't want more prison places because it's “counterproductive” according to modern social policy, you see this all the time from clowns like John Lonergan, former governer of the Joy, who doesn't belive in jailing people. There is very much a soft headed load of lefty quangocrats in charge of penal policy and they don't want to see a new jail build despite the fact that one was badly needed back in the 90's before we added another half a million people to the population.

DulchieLaois

DulchieLaois wrote: »

The decent hard working people will mourn Thiago cause he was a decent hard working fella, and for his life to be taken away by thugs is not acceptable.

Exactly. So much for 'the people who get up early in the morning'.


Ireland is far too soft.

Gerry Hatrick

Yurt! wrote: »

You'd hope Deliveroo do something for his repatriation costs and his fiancée in Ireland also.

Never used them as i rarely don't home cook or eat out in a restaurant but Deliveroo look like a right scumbag company to work for. :mad:

Gerry Hatrick

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's nothing but a form of coolie type labour. Ashamed that in 21st cent Ireland we think it's ok.

They even give it a fancy name, the "gig economy"

Employees make a pittance and are worked like dogs. :mad:

Topgear on Dave

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

They even give it a fancy name, the "gig economy"

Employees make a pittance and are worked like dogs. :mad:

We should stop snatching them off Brazilian streets and forcing them to come here and do it.

Cordell

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

They even give it a fancy name, the "gig economy"

Employees make a pittance and are worked like dogs. :mad:

There's nothing fancy about that name. A fancy name will be "independent contractor led economy" but let's not give them ideas

markodaly

conorhal wrote: »

I have to agree with that. We've spent 51 million on the land and servicing it since the Thornton Hall site was bought in the 90's and still no prision has been built.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/thornton-hall-prison-site-that-cost-state-51m-offered-for-housing-1.3756763

The reality is that judges are told not to impose custodial sentences because the places don't exist to jail offenders.
This is policy, the most telling part of that article I posted has got to be:
"When this was put to the department, a spokesman said the large prison originally envisaged in 2005 by the then government was now regarded, in modern penal policy terms, as “counterproductive”.


So there you go, we don't want more prison places because it's “counterproductive” according to modern social policy, you see this all the time from clowns like John Lonergan, former governer of the Joy, who doesn't belive in jailing people. There is very much a soft headed load of lefty quangocrats in charge of penal policy and they don't want to see a new jail build despite the fact that one was badly needed back in the 90's before we added another half a million people to the population.

That is interesting.
What is the capacity of your prisons and how does it compare EU wide I wonder?

lawrencesummers

I’ve said it a number of times, if you reformed properly the legal system in this country it would have a profoundly positive effect on the lives of everybody because crime, insurance, planning, asylum seeking, compo culture, accountability, corporate corruption and many other areas of life would improve and benefit everybody.

dhaughton99

Thiago Cortes mourners clash with Dublin residents after firework thrown at vigil by youths

https://m.independent.ie/videos/thiago-cortes-mourners-clash-with-dublin-residents-after-firework-thrown-at-vigil-by-youths-39503114.html

Says it all really, doesn’t it?

ChikiChiki

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Thiago Cortes mourners clash with Dublin residents after firework thrown at vigil by youths

https://m.independent.ie/videos/thiago-cortes-mourners-clash-with-dublin-residents-after-firework-thrown-at-vigil-by-youths-39503114.html

Says it all really, doesn’t it?

Indeed it does, and yet people will still defend these "poor misguided youths" as being a product of their environs. Its multi generational scum and it needs to stop.

The likelihood is that these scrotes will have their own kids early and it's rinse, wash, repeat 20-25 years down the line.

ChikiChiki

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I’ve said it a number of times, if you reformed properly the legal system in this country it would have a profoundly positive effect on the lives of everybody because crime, insurance, planning, asylum seeking, compo culture, accountability, corporate corruption and many other areas of life would improve and benefit everybody.

It really does seem to be the crux of a lot of issues.

duffmann

I was at the vigil and the crowd were angry. I am not surprised. I have heard about so many attacks on foreigners and that they have zero faith in the Gardai. They cannot understand how Dublin is so lawless. Also, they cannot understand why so many Irish people are unemployed. RIP Thiago.

saabsaab

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I’ve said it a number of times, if you reformed properly the legal system in this country it would have a profoundly positive effect on the lives of everybody because crime, insurance, planning, asylum seeking, compo culture, accountability, corporate corruption and many other areas of life would improve and benefit everybody.

The last great bastion of the old British system. Should be part of the civil service. No one except the very poor or very rich can afford law!

Gerry Hatrick

duffmann wrote: »

I was at the vigil and the crowd were angry. I am not surprised. I have heard about so many attacks on foreigners and that they have zero faith in the Gardai. They cannot understand how Dublin is so lawless. Also, they cannot understand why so many Irish people are unemployed. RIP Thiago.

Don't they know about the virus?

Pkiernan

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Don't they know about the virus?

Most generous long term dole system on earth.
Criminals breeding criminals is a financial investment for the most vulnerable.

MarkY91

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Never used them as i rarely don't home cook or eat out in a restaurant but Deliveroo look like a right scumbag company to work for. :mad:

Nobody asked them to work for Deliveroo though. It's a choice. Some people are almost comparing it to slavery lol.

celticWario

I'm from an area where anti-social behaviour is endemic as well, and while it's easy to say "they're all dole scroungers" many of the dirtbag kids parents are working, it's more to do with the attitude of people in the area, bad is good, bad is fun, doing bad things is funny, combine that with a hatred of the Gardai, the Gardai are scum, **** the Gardai etc. it's ingrained in these people and it doesn't matter whether their parents have jobs or not. Look at these scenes from last week:

This is the culture of these people, do what you like and there are zero consequences, the Gardai can't do anything, there is no sanction for their behaviour.
It was already mentioned that when that poor woman was pushed into the Canal by those scummy teens (their identities were leaked online, all their parents are working iirc) people were saying she could have been killed, and now someone has been killed, well things are going to escalate, someone is going to snap and kill one of these dirtbag kids, and everyone who was saying that the law should be changed for them to be charged and we should come down like a tonne of bricks on them will suddenly wring their hands and say "ahh he was only a kid", like that psychotic drug dealer who was dismembered, or when one of them goes under a car or a bus on their scramblers, suddenly they're an angel and it's a tragedy, and society has failed them.

lawrencesummers

ChikiChiki wrote: »

It really does seem to be the crux of a lot of issues.

It’s a bit bottleneck that enriches a few.
It just happens to enrich the few that have the power to change it.