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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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    #4262
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    loughside wrote: »
    Aye, think i`ll take my chances with that chicken over Irish beef riddled with angel dust.


    What do ya think??



    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/27-cattle-test-positive-for-angel-dust-in-co-monaghan-case/

    I may clash sometimes with other posters but I believe Irish beef is well managed and Ireland is right to be proud of it`s beef and dairy herds.I also quite like Monaghan so the fact the angel dust was detected is testament to Ireland`s responsible methods.


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    #4263
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,506 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    loughside wrote: »
    Seems from todays events the eu wants a hard border- its now up to them to create one - in RoI.

    It is the UK that reneging on the WA!
    loughside wrote: »
    Good luck to them trying to sell that to the Irish- whom incidentally are slowly waking up to the fact the Big Time Charlie T-shirt has sold them short.

    The Irish know what is going on, they can read both UK and Irish papers and are well aware of how the UK has treated NI and Ireland throughout this process.
    loughside wrote: »
    RoI is about to become very isolated indeed,

    Geographically, yes it is going to feel like that. Luckily, over the last 40 years or so, thank in large part to the EU, we have spread our wings such that we are no longer so dependent on the UK. Technology has also moved considerably meaning that geography is less of an issue than it used to be, particularly for a service based economy that we have become and we have worked very hard to sell our agriculture to new and high value markets.
    loughside wrote: »
    add to that the doubled contributions and harmonised CT rates....hmmmm

    The future of RoI as a member is not looking rosy.

    Ireland has a Veto over that and since the EU has already lost the UK I doubt that the EU will be doing anything to place the membership of other members in doubt in the coming years.


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    #4264
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    GazzaL wrote: »
    I would encourage individuals and businesses to avoid buying British where possible. There are lots of great Irish and fellow EUropean businesses to support instead.

    It's unfortunate and regrettable that we've gone from arguably the best period of Irish-British relations to the current state of affairs in such a short space of time, but we've seen the anti-Irish rhetoric throughout the Brexit debacle. Many British businesses still haven't got a clue about the realities of Brexit, particularly in relation to tariffs, contracts and data protection, you might as well be talking to the wall.

    I wouldn’t bother being Anti British business for nationalistic standpoints but for the sheer unreliability and currency fluctuations you’d have to be mad not to be seriously developing alternatives. This isnt a country you can trade safely and maturely with and comes with massive risks built in. Such a pity as I believe fully in free trade and countries trading with one another under fair on same level pitch rules. Clearly the current U.K. inc doesn’t and throws childish temper tantrums at any that suggests otherwise. Time to move on from this farce.
    Like an alcoholic determined to pickle their livers there only so much talking you can do, comes a point where you let them go


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    #4265
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    loughside wrote: »
    LOL!! Erm, the people up north as you put it are the UK,
    anyway the ROI produce nothing that the UK needs, the ROI are utterly dependent of goods from outside, when the EU shafts you with Corporation Tax and Microsoft et al move to N.I or GB you`re in for a rude awakening.
    you dont know your history mate, we have been shafted by the english more times than I can count, The EU have helped make Ireland the great country it is today, we will be fine, but I think the mainland will be finished, but it will make an ideal location to shoot the next Mad max movie


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    #4266
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    declanflynn wrote: »
    I think you mean the uk is about to become very isolated mate, after the crap of the last few days no country will trust them again

    What was left of their supposed reputation has been flushed down the bog.


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    #4267
    loughside
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭loughside


    Hey lads, from your last few posts...

    Stockholm Syndrome is alive and well !!


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    #4268
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,139 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Cork_Guest wrote: »
    Not sure how that helps in any way, she’s got a losing horse in the presidential race and a trade deal doesn’t go anywhere near her house for ratification.




    There are strong cross party support and links for Irish issues in DC. She is the one making those noises now because she is the one who currently holds the sway.


    Not sure where you are getting your info about a ratification from


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    #4269
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    declanflynn wrote: »
    you dont know your history mate, we have been shafted by the english more times than I can count, The EU have helped make Ireland the great country it is today, we will be fine, but I think the mainland will be finished, but it will make an ideal location to shoot the next Mad max movie

    What’s telling really is how little real panic there is in Ireland re brexit hard or otherwise. The main concern centres around the border and not wanting a return to the Troubles. Accounts for approx 10% of Ireland’s exports, we buy a lot more off the U.K. than the other way round for historical reasons. If they want to jump off a cliff at this stage I say let them off


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    #4270
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    road_high wrote: »
    I wouldn’t bother being Anti British business for nationalistic standpoints but for the sheer unreliability and currency fluctuations you’d have to be mad not to be seriously developing alternatives. This isnt a country you can trade safely and maturely with and comes with massive risks built in. Such a pity as I believe fully in free trade and countries trading with one another under fair on same level pitch rules. Clearly the current U.K. inc doesn’t and throws childish temper tantrums at any that suggests otherwise. Time to move on from this farce.
    Like an alcoholic determined to pickle their livers there only so much talking you can do, comes a point where you let them go

    I buy both goods and services from the UK. The goods will be subject to tariffs and increased handling costs. The services will require contractual clauses to comply with GDPR, reasonably straightforward, but the UK service providers have buried their heads in the sand and are telling me that's my problem. Thankfully I have alternatives to both.


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    #4271
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    GazzaL wrote: »
    I buy both goods and services from the UK. The goods will be subject to tariffs and increased handling costs. The services will require contractual clauses to comply with GDPR, reasonably straightforward, but the UK service providers have buried their heads in the sand and are telling me that's my problem. Thankfully I have alternatives to both.

    Yes I don’t think they get it really. The implications of leaving a completely free trade area to WTO terms is absolutely massive- result is it becomes semi impossible to trade under them- especially when you compare alternatives it becomes a no brainer.


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    #4272
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    road_high wrote: »
    What’s telling really is how little real panic there is in Ireland re brexit hard or otherwise. The main concern centres around the border and not wanting a return to the Troubles. Accounts for approx 10% of Ireland’s exports, we buy a lot more off the U.K. than the other way round for historical reasons. If they want to jump off a cliff at this stage I say let them off

    A study by HSBC showed just 43% of Irish businesses saw Britain as 'an important trade partner' in 2019, down from 73% in 2018. Most Irish businesses in that survey were forecasting significant sales growth, and it showed that the Irish are focused on opening up new markets. Brexit has already done irreparable damage in this respect.


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    #4273
    loughside
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭loughside


    declanflynn wrote: »
    you dont know your history mate, we have been shafted by the english more times than I can count, /QUOTE]


    YOU clearly don`t know what happened a couple of years ago mate never mind history


    Who bailed out your basket case of a country as it was about to go down the bog?? Yep, you remember now don`t you, no banging on then on how awful the british were when you brought out the begging bowl.
    Read this if in fact you`ve forgotten -> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/nov/22/ireland-bailout-uk-lends-seven-billion


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    #4274
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    GazzaL wrote: »
    A study by HSBC showed just 43% of Irish businesses saw Britain as 'an important trade partner' in 2019, down from 73% in 2018. Most Irish businesses in that survey were forecasting significant sales growth, and it showed that the Irish are focused on opening up new markets. Brexit has already done irreparable damage in this respect.

    Why would you go back? Unless you had a severe punishment complex!
    More over the currency volatility is a real killer


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    #4275
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,139 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    loughside wrote: »
    declanflynn wrote: »
    you dont know your history mate, we have been shafted by the english more times than I can count,


    YOU clearly don`t know what happened a couple of years ago mate never mind history


    Who helped bailed out your basket case of a country as it was about to go down the bog?? Yep, you remember now don`t you, no banging on then on how awful the british were when you brought out the begging bowl.
    Read this if in fact you`ve forgotten -> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/nov/22/ireland-bailout-uk-lends-seven-billion




    UK gave Ireland a loan because the UK banks were on the hook for so much if the Irish government ran out of funding


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    #4276
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    road_high wrote: »
    Why would you go back? Unless you had a severe punishment complex!
    More over the currency volatility is a real killer

    That's it. I could've bought significant amounts from UK suppliers over the last 2 years, but I held off because of the various cliff edges. I didn't see the point in buying from them if I'd have to drop them in a few months.

    Currency fluctuations could become a bigger issue. It already can be a pain in the backside, particularly where margins are tight. Very unattractive.


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    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    loughside wrote: »
    So joe pray tell what things aren`t true?


    @seth: No, couldn`t care less re. Irexit,

    None of them.


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    #4278
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    loughside wrote: »
    declanflynn wrote: »
    you dont know your history mate, we have been shafted by the english more times than I can count, /QUOTE]


    YOU clearly don`t know what happened a couple of years ago mate never mind history


    Who bailed out your basket case of a country as it was about to go down the bog?? Yep, you remember now don`t you, no banging on then on how awful the british were when you brought out the begging bowl.
    Read this if in fact you`ve forgotten -> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/nov/22/ireland-bailout-uk-lends-seven-billion
    The tan loan was interest bearing and only 1/20 of the EU loan


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    #4279
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    declanflynn wrote: »
    The tan loan was interest bearing and only 1/20 of the EU loan

    The tan loan :pac:


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    #4280
    [Deleted User]
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    Donald Trump wrote: »
    UK gave Ireland a loan because the UK banks were on the hook for so much if the Irish government ran out of funding

    It was a bit more than that. Property rates in London would have nose dived if Irish banks had been liquidated and been forced in to a fire sale. The U.K. had also spent a fortune bailing out RBS, due in no small part to the massive debt Ulsterbank had racked up on Irish property, so getting the Irish economy working again was in their best interests.


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    #4281
    [Deleted User]
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    GazzaL wrote: »
    The tan loan :pac:

    What is a tan loan?


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    #4282
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,228 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Aegir wrote: »
    What is a tan loan?

    a loan from tans


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    #4283
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭fash


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    UK gave Ireland a loan because the UK banks were on the hook for so much if the Irish government ran out of funding

    And then - unlike every other lender - refused to accept early pay back of the loan so that they could continue to leach off Ireland on their high interest loans. Sounds more like a parasite than a friend.


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    #4284
    [Deleted User]
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    a loan from tans

    Is that what the micks called it? I hadn’t heard that.


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    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Aegir wrote: »
    What is a tan loan?

    Fake Tan. It goes away after a few days


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    [Deleted User]
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    fash wrote: »
    And then - unlike every other lender - refused to accept early pay back of the loan so that they could continue to leach off Ireland on their high interest loans. Sounds more like a parasite than a friend.

    Errr, no.

    All the loans had clauses which meant that if Ireland paid back the IMF loan it would have had to repay a substantial part of the U.K. loan. The U.K. (and the Eu, Denmark and Sweden) agreed to waive this so that Ireland could repay the IMF loan early and get out of their clutches.


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    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,228 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Aegir wrote: »
    Is that what the micks called it? I hadn’t heard that.

    the micks. LOL. you're funny


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    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The British are playing a blinder here. The ultimatum of a physical border on the island of Ireland is something that no Irish Government can agree to, otherwise Micheal will be joining another famous Cork Micheal that was assassinated by his own.

    So essentially the EU will have to shaft Ireland. The EU can't be seen to shaft Ireland either. They found the weak spot and will exploit it.

    Irish government and EU are coming out with buzz words like "trust" and "confidence". It is all meaningless marketing speak. It means nothing. There are plenty of countries around the world with trade agreements that don't trust each other. USA and China have a trade agreement. Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union had a trade agreement FFS :pac:


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    #4289
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,506 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    If they are your two best examples I am not sure you are making the case you think you are.


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    #4290
    loughside
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭loughside


    declanflynn wrote: »
    loughside wrote: »
    The tan loan was interest bearing and only 1/20 of the EU loan


    ...and the EU loan was also made up of what?.... yes??.. bit slow but you got it... the British taxpayers contributions!!


    So in reality you have to wind yer neck in and be doubly thankful to the British! ;)


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    loughside
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭loughside


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The British are playing a blinder here. The ultimatum of a physical border on the island of Ireland is something that no Irish Government can agree to, otherwise Micheal will be joining another famous Cork Micheal that was assassinated by his own.

    So essentially the EU will have to shaft Ireland. The EU can't be seen to shaft Ireland either. They found the weak spot and will exploit it.

    Irish government and EU are coming out with buzz words like "trust" and "confidence". It is all meaningless marketing speak. It means nothing. There are plenty of countries around the world with trade agreements that don't trust each other. USA and China have a trade agreement. Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union had a trade agreement FFS :pac:




    ... and that`s about the long and short of it as it stands


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