Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

GT89 · 09-09-2020 11:23pm

The reason there's been an spike in cases is because there has been an increase in testing. If you increased the amount of IQ tests you'd get a spike in morons too.

Glenbhoy · 09-09-2020 11:28pm

gimli2112 wrote: »

4% is a relatively low mortality rate, until it's someone you know

I disagree, 4% is pretty high. Fortunately covid-19 is estimated at 0.3%, although given the huge amount of asymptomatic infections, is probably lower. That said, it's obvious that vulnerable people must be protected.

WhiteMemento9 · 09-09-2020 11:33pm

No more lockdown. Live with the virus. Let it get out of control. Let people die.

Jesus, you get tired of listening to this crap. It has been the common approach almost everywhere to have local lockdowns as needed.

tobefrank321 · 09-09-2020 11:36pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

A quick search of your posts on the capital reveals a long seated, irrational hatred.

I'm surprised, even at you getting low kicks and cheap shots as the capital city is hit worst by the C-19 pandemic. I know you've had your knuckles wrapped a few times with your bile, hatred and disgusting name calling when it comes to Dublin and it's inhabitants, but you keep at it for some reason and this is a new low.

To take delight at any neighbourhood or part of our island being hit bad by the pandemic is nasty and juvenile. This is a post you will be ashamed of when this is all over and people celebrate the kindnesses shown throughout the ordeal. While there are very few deaths now people are suffering in hospitals and at home and grieving for lost friends and relatives.

Back on track. Anyone with any idea of the economics of the country will know the city won't be locked down. Pointless anyway as household mingling is the driver of the spread within the capital. A serious cessation of visiting has to be adhered to. How it will be enforced is hard to see.

The overwhelming majority of highly paid city centre workers already work from home. A lockdown will make no difference to them. A lockdown of Dublin would largely target non economic social gatherings, eg non essential journeys, or non essential visits to other people's houses. The government are already advising this.
We could of course just let covid19 run riot in Dublin and this could lead to an even more severe lockdown at a later date. So two difficult options to choose from.

biko · 09-09-2020 11:39pm

GT89 wrote: »

If you increased the amount of IQ tests you'd get a spike in morons too.

IQ represents the population as a whole, which means with more IQ testing you get equal amounts of morons and non-morons.
Fun fact, a moron has an IQ of approx 50-70.

begbysback · 09-09-2020 11:42pm

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

No more lockdown. Live with the virus. Let it get out of control. Let people die.

Jesus, you get tired of listening to this crap. It has been the common approach almost everywhere to have local lockdowns as needed.

Are you arguing with yourself there chief?

John_Rambo · 09-09-2020 11:44pm

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The overwhelming majority of highly paid city centre workers already work from home. A lockdown will make no difference to them. A lockdown of Dublin would largely target non economic social gatherings, eg non essential journeys, or non essential visits to other people's houses. The government are already advising this.
We could of course just let covid19 run riot in Dublin and this could lead to an even more severe lockdown at a later date. So two difficult options to choose from.

That's not a lockdown. That's stopping people visit each others house, you're right regarding the targeted people though.

People will still be able to travel in and out of the city and to work.

CBear1993 · 09-09-2020 11:44pm

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

No more lockdown. Live with the virus. Let it get out of control. Let people die.

Jesus, you get tired of listening to this crap. It has been the common approach almost everywhere to have local lockdowns as needed.

Feeling is mutual compadre. I also get sick of those condoning the return of lockdowns

Antares35 · 09-09-2020 11:48pm

I think another lockdown (while I agree with one in principle) will be a complete waste of time. People are sick of it. There will be zero compliance. There's no fear anymore. I think anyone who wants to keep themselves safe should just do their own lockdown to be honest. That's what we've planned for October to December. OH working from home. I'm on mat leave. Elderly parents with underlying conditions, next door that we need to think about as well as our baby.

We are getting ourselves prepared for three months at home anyway. Batten down the hatches and I couldn't give a sh*t about anyone who go wants to go to a house party or lick the toilet seat in the local or do their shopping in Dunnes with their mask around their neck like an idiot.

Its much better if we all just look out for ourselves

WhiteMemento9 · 09-09-2020 11:52pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

Feeling is mutual compadre. I also get sick of those condoning the return of lockdowns

Why what alternative do we have? In a densely populated area like Dublin when cases start rising, that will get out of control very quickly. All that will end up happening is a much longer lockdown in the future unless you stop it early and bring cases down. It has been an approach almost everywhere in the world.

Unlike you, I don't have a black and white opinion. Lockdowns aren't some religious belief. No lockdown ever again, wtf. Go back to your looney Facebook groups.

The situation will be evaluated by experts and they will decide what is or isn't needed.

WhiteMemento9 · 09-09-2020 11:54pm

GT89 wrote: »

The reason there's been an spike in cases is because there has been an increase in testing. If you increased the amount of IQ tests you'd get a spike in morons too.

That isn't really how it works. You see if you were tested you would have been a moron before and after the test. The test doesn't change that at all.

begbysback · 09-09-2020 11:57pm

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

The situation will be evaluated by experts and they will decide what is or isn't needed.

Any lockdown requires a very large amount of public compliance, the experts can decide whatever they want, a lockdown doesn’t exist unless we, the public, say so.

WhiteMemento9 · 09-09-2020 11:59pm

begbysback wrote: »

Any lockdown requires a very large amount of public compliance, the experts can decide whatever they want, a lockdown doesn’t exist unless we, the public, say so.

You say that like you are the public. You may think in your small cluster of looney friends that some huge resistance exists to all this but back in the land of normal people that I know. Most people are happy to be compliant and understand the risks and look on it horror at the people who can't show the decency to act in the best interest of the public health of us all.

begbysback · 10-09-2020 12:06am

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

You say that like you are the public. You may think in your small cluster of looney friends that some huge resistance exists to all this but back in the land of normal people that I know. Most people are happy to be compliant and understand the risks and look on it horror at the people who can't show the decency to act in the best interest of the public health of us all.

I am the public, and I have no looney friends. I’m speaking here for myself, yes I will wear a mask when in shops etc, but I won’t be restricted to where I can go, how far I can go, and how long I can go for, imaginary restrictions or not.

WhiteMemento9 · 10-09-2020 12:08am

begbysback wrote: »

I am the public, and I have no looney friends. I’m speaking here for myself, yes I will wear a mask when in shops etc, but I won’t be restricted to where I can go, how far I can go, and how long I can go for, imaginary restrictions or not.

Your right. Fight the power. Good on you. FREEDOM.

Strumms · 10-09-2020 12:10am

Deleted User wrote: »

The cases in Dublin are mainly due to house gatherings.

Locking down will only amplify the problem.

Whether we like it or not, people want to socialise with normality. The only place you can really do that now is at home.

Closing businesses will solve nothing.

I want a new Mercedes AMG coupe, that doesn’t mean I can enable that wish, my bank account doesn’t allow it.

People want to socialize with normality, me too, however common sense, caring, and a selfless mindset while we are in a state never before experienced in the modern history of this planet and country .... doesn’t allow it.

Fûckwits need to suck it up with their needy bastard ways and be part of the fix, not the problem....needy pisswits.

begbysback · 10-09-2020 12:22am

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

Your right. Fight the power. Good on you. FREEDOM.

You’re watching too much braveheart there chief, no anti establishment agenda here, if you believe enforced restrictions will help you not to spread any infection to others then great stuff, the experts can help you. For some of us it’s not necessary.

10-09-2020 12:27am

Strumms wrote: »

I want a new Mercedes AMG coupe, that doesn’t mean I can enable that wish, my bank account doesn’t allow it.

People want to socialize with normality, me too, however common sense, caring, and a selfless mindset while we are in a state never before experienced in the modern history of this planet and country .... doesn’t allow it.

Fûckwits need to suck it up with their needy bastard ways and be part of the fix, not the problem....needy pisswits.

We have experienced illness before.
We have had 6 in ICU before with the same illness.
We have illnesses that kill way more than Covid.
Hunger kills way more than Covid. It could easily be solved if the will was there.

Media hysteria has led people to think that this is some extremely dangerous disease.

But so far it has only killed a tiny number of people. Most of whom were already fairly close to death already and/or above life expectancy.

I don’t care about a Mercedes. I’ll have friends over if I want though.

GT89 · 10-09-2020 12:29am

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

That isn't really how it works. You see if you were tested you would have been a moron before and after the test. The test doesn't change that at all.

And if you had covid would have had it before you were tested too duh

Graham · 10-09-2020 12:45am

GT89 wrote: »

The reason there's been an spike in cases is because there has been an increase in testing. If you increased the amount of IQ tests you'd get a spike in morons too.

Some spikes present themselves without the necessity for testing, the symptoms are overwhelmingly apparent.

quokula · 10-09-2020 12:47am

Deleted User wrote: »

We have experienced illness before.
We have had 6 in ICU before with the same illness.
We have illnesses that kill way more than Covid.
Hunger kills way more than Covid. It could easily be solved if the will was there.

Media hysteria has led people to think that this is some extremely dangerous disease.

But so far it has only killed a tiny number of people. Most of whom were already fairly close to death already and/or above life expectancy.

I don’t care about a Mercedes. I’ll have friends over if I want though.

It’s amazing how all the medical experts and epidemiologists have been so heavily swayed by media hysteria yet it takes the uneducated idiot on the street to see through it all...

Graham · 10-09-2020 12:51am

quokula wrote: »

It’s amazing how all the medical experts and epidemiologists have been so heavily swayed by media hysteria yet it takes the uneducated idiot on the street to see through it all...

It's just lucky we have so many of them to save us.

GT89 · 10-09-2020 1:13am

Strumms wrote: »

I want a new Mercedes AMG coupe, that doesn’t mean I can enable that wish, my bank account doesn’t allow it.

People want to socialize with normality, me too, however common sense, caring, and a selfless mindset while we are in a state never before experienced in the modern history of this planet and country .... doesn’t allow it.

Fûckwits need to suck it up with their needy bastard ways and be part of the fix, not the problem....needy pisswits.

Seriously you need to stop thinking everyone has an obsession with material things. A merc is an absolutely useless for your state of mental wellbeing but socializing with other people is absolutely crucial. I'd rather not have a pot to piss in and be happy and have a decent social life than be the richest man in the world and feel miserable inside which is what lockdown is making people feel.

Common sense is to socialize normally and not to live in fear of virus which is highly unlikely to kill you.

GT89 · 10-09-2020 1:16am

Graham wrote: »

It's just lucky we have so many of them to save us.

They won't save you from sh1t. They are all part of media scare mongering all part of the problem reaction solution.

Graham · 10-09-2020 1:18am

GT89 wrote: »

I'd rather not have a pot to piss in and be happy and have a decent social life than be the richest man in the world and feel miserable inside which is what lockdown is making people feel.

Common sense is to socialize normally and not to live in fear of virus which is highly unlikely to kill you.

If the virus is making you unhappy of course we should put a few hundred more people in the ground.

What's a few more bodies compared to you having a decent social life?

Strumms · 10-09-2020 1:31am

Graham wrote: »

If the virus is making you unhappy of course we should put a few hundred more people in the ground.

What's a few more bodies compared to you having a decent social life?

This, fûcking Hell, that fact that it NEEDS spelling out and people want to debate it,

sabat · 10-09-2020 1:42am

Graham wrote: »

If the virus is making you unhappy of course we should put a few hundred more people in the ground.

What's a few more bodies compared to you having a decent social life?

Instead of pissing tens of thousands of euros, probably well north of €200k, against a wall over the years I could have used the money to save the lives of hundreds of people in the developing world. I didn't though. Am I scum for valuing my social life over bodies in the ground?

Graham · 10-09-2020 1:49am

sabat wrote: »

Instead of pissing tens of thousands of euros, probably well north of €200k, against a wall over the years I could have used the money to save the lives of hundreds of people in the developing world. I didn't though. Am I scum for valuing my social life over bodies in the ground?

As your actions have no bearing on the spread of Coronavirus and don't appear to have the consequence of putting others at risk, your question may be better suited to personal issues.

An Ri rua · 10-09-2020 1:51am

LeBash wrote: »

Some UCD (I think) professor was on newstalk and said the majority of the new cases were in West Dublin and that we should lock down that area.

Hopefully if anymore lockdowns are called its for the right reason and an unemotional decision.

So not a big lockdown then, just a Lidl one?

An Ri rua · 10-09-2020 2:01am

Risteard81 wrote: »

Absolutely not ever. Over my dead body.

I've no doubt your dead body can be factored into a pandemic algorithm Restard81. It's definitely a variable to weigh.

An Ri rua · 10-09-2020 2:05am

sabat wrote: »

Instead of pissing tens of thousands of euros, probably well north of €200k, against a wall over the years I could have used the money to save the lives of hundreds of people in the developing world. I didn't though. Am I scum for valuing my social life over bodies in the ground?

The road to self-knowledge starts with a simple question. The middle way is the best way. But the publicans of Ireland thank you for your plenary indulgences. Maith an fear.

sabat · 10-09-2020 2:13am

Graham wrote: »

As your actions have no bearing on the spread of Coronavirus and don't appear to have the consequence of putting others at risk, your question may be better suited to personal issues.

I literally chose to go on the piss instead of saving lives. I still do. But it's a ridiculous analogy isn't it? Just like telling people they'll kill someone's granny by going for a few pints. In the only country in Europe where this happens...

ShooterSF · 10-09-2020 2:50am

Is this actually looking possible? I don't live in Dublin but am back in college in a few weeks in Dublin so I guess I'd have to do online classes or something if it goes ahead. Hoping it doesn't but it makes sense if numbers keep spiking...

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 6:28am

ShooterSF wrote:

Is this actually looking possible? I don't live in Dublin but am back in college in a few weeks in Dublin so I guess I'd have to do online classes or something if it goes ahead. Hoping it doesn't but it makes sense if numbers keep spiking...

They may do cluster lockdowns in the Dublin region, it would be very difficult to lock the whole region down, without the country completely falling over

_Kaiser_ · 10-09-2020 6:40am

They won't lockdown Dublin, and if they do, like before it'll be filled with exemptions so as to be largely pointless.

People will still be crossing all over the city for work, to care for vulnerable relatives or other essential reasons. Likewise people will still be coming in and out of the city for the same reason.

Garda enforcement will be minimal after the initial show, and that assumes they are given the legal authority to do so in the first place. NPHET will tell people not to have others round for dinner etc but the backlash to giving AGS the powers to break up such gatherings mean it'll only be a recommendation.

Risteard81 · 10-09-2020 6:47am

An Ri rua wrote: »

I've no doubt your dead body can be factored into a pandemic algorithm Restard81. It's definitely a variable to weigh.

Scamdemic.

TheBlackPill · 10-09-2020 6:55am

GT89 wrote: »

The reason there's been an spike in cases is because there has been an increase in testing. If you increased the amount of IQ tests you'd get a spike in morons too.

Especially in Dubs

weldoninhio · 10-09-2020 6:56am

Lockdowns don’t work. All they do is press pause and the same issues happen once the lockdown is lifted. See NZ, etc.

Pointless exercise in screwing the economy.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 6:57am

weldoninhio wrote:

Lockdowns donâ€™t work. All they do is press pause and the same issues happen once the lockdown is lifted. See NZ, etc.

Is that right doc!

copeyhagen · 10-09-2020 7:01am

100 suppsoedly healthy people died in 6 months, can we not just lock down everything forever?

weldoninhio · 10-09-2020 7:02am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Is that right doc!

I don’t need to be a doctor to read and see for myself.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1

https://mises.org/wire/do-lockdowns-work-mounting-evidence-says-no

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-24/disappointment-as-evidence-coronavirus-lockdown-is-working-in-europe-fails-to-prevail

_Kaiser_ · 10-09-2020 7:04am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Is that right doc!

It is.. Think about it.

We lock down the country again. This time we actually close the airports and ports and the border with NI too - grand! (well ignoring the disastrous effects on families, business, employment, trade and essential supply chains for a minute. There's probably some legal/international law issues there too but let's ignore that)

After a few weeks we get Covid spread to zero. A few weeks later we're confident we've beaten it.

Now what? The rest of Europe and the world didn't lock down and still has new cases daily but we do business with lots of these places, rely on their tourists for our hospitality sector, and lots of people here have family in these places. Do we just lock down until everywhere gets to zero too?

This is why lockdown is nonsense. It's impractical domestically (even regionally) and it solves nothing in the long term.

emo72 · 10-09-2020 7:06am

Lock downs are pointless unless you seal yourself off from the rest of the world. It's only pause. You will always end back at the beginning again. Insanity.

micks_address · 10-09-2020 7:07am

I'd say strong chance this evening they will close restaurants and bars and cinemas for two weeks and tell households not to mix at all. Schools etc obvious exceptions..

copeyhagen · 10-09-2020 7:15am

micks_address wrote: »

I'd say strong chance this evening they will close restaurants and bars and cinemas for two weeks and tell households not to mix at all. Schools etc obvious exceptions..

not a chance..hopefully.

micks_address · 10-09-2020 7:25am

copeyhagen wrote: »

not a chance..hopefully.

Leo's noises last night pretty much set it up..it's the way it goes..yeah we might need restrictions, things bad, yep nephet meeting..then restrictions..I'd be amazed if there isn't some level of announcement re dublin this evening

copeyhagen · 10-09-2020 7:41am

micks_address wrote: »

Leo's noises last night pretty much set it up..it's the way it goes..yeah we might need restrictions, things bad, yep nephet meeting..then restrictions..I'd be amazed if there isn't some level of announcement re dublin this evening

they will probably go after the house gatherings i'd imagine

micks_address · 10-09-2020 7:58am

copeyhagen wrote: »

they will probably go after the house gatherings i'd imagine

Hard to do much there. Lot of talk last night at the conference about how the cases are getting into households.. potentially from attending social events at bars and restaurants etc for food..

wadacrack · 10-09-2020 8:01am

copeyhagen wrote: »

not a chance..hopefully.

Their will be some restrictions obviously. Households restrictions likely to implemented. Situation stable in most counties, would be unfair if they didnt try and stabilize the transmission in the problem area

micks_address · 10-09-2020 8:04am

wadacrack wrote: »

Their will be some restrictions obviously. Households restrictions likely to implemented. Situation stable in most counties, would be unfair if they didnt try and stabilize the transmission in the problem area

Yeah I mean you can't have one rule for dublin and another for the rest of the country

Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

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