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  • #9802
    moonage
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭moonage


    Nickolas White Petroleum wrote: »
    Children have been (wrongly) exempt from masks but its great to see a good proportion of them are wearing them in shops etc so Id imagine a lot of people who could technically be exempt from a mask are still wearing them for the common good.

    I find it very disturbing seeing small children forced to wear masks. I suppose the indoctrination has to start young.

    Here's a jolly/creepy little song encouraging kids to wear masks:



  • #9803
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    moonage wrote: »
    I find it very disturbing seeing small children forced to wear masks.

    :confused:

    So disturbing you went searching for a Youtube video of children wearing masks?


  • #9804
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    saabsaab wrote: »
    It might be a good idea to have an official badge with a photo that could be worn for those who can't wear a mask for medical reasons. Like disabled parking badge. Easy to see no need to question. Badge or mask.

    A yellow star perhaps? ;)


  • #9805
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    wasn't funny when it was posted 2 pages back either ;)


  • #9806
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There's a lot of questions on the main thread about whether "the virus is weakening" as we are seeing cases increase with less % hospitalisations. There is nothing solid on that at a genetic level, and it has been looked at.

    It could all just be down to more testing.

    In the context of this thread, just mentioning it could be due to lower viral load because of the use of the masks, which has been seen in other viruses to weaken the impact on those infected.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #9807
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Yes: homemade
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    There's a lot of questions on the main thread about whether "the virus is weakening" as we are seeing cases increase with less % hospitalisations. There is nothing solid on that at a genetic level, and it has been looked at.

    It could all just be down to more testing.

    In the context of this thread, just mentioning it could be due to lower viral load because of the use of the masks, which has been seen in other viruses to weaken the impact on those infected.


    Yes, the less virus you take on the better your chances.


  • #9808
    railer201
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    Yes: valved
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    There's a lot of questions on the main thread about whether "the virus is weakening" as we are seeing cases increase with less % hospitalisations. There is nothing solid on that at a genetic level, and it has been looked at.

    It could all just be down to more testing.

    In the context of this thread, just mentioning it could be due to lower viral load because of the use of the masks, which has been seen in other viruses to weaken the impact on those infected.

    We're hearing more and more about this in the media - that masks protect the wearer also, now appears to becoming an accepted fact. This is all to the good as it gives a more direct incentive for people to wear them, as it's not all about protecting the other person - it's about me too.

    Not that personal opinions matter much, but just like Wibbs I have never come across any filter material that works in one direction only. If a cloth face mask stops the virus in one direction, then it will also stop it in the opposite direction, at least enough to reduce the viral load and hence the severity of the infection.

    Good news :)


  • #9809
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    What's the story actually with the masks law? Is there an expiry date on it? Or is this going to go on forever or in other words until the government thinks the general opinion tide has turned? Genuine question.


  • #9810
    brianhere
    Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭brianhere


    All measures taken recently are intended to be permanent, don't be like the publicans and be strung along with a hope they will be opened this week and then the next week etc! That's why they call it the new normal.

    After all look at it another way, there are always going to be infectious diseases, and the vast majority of them have hugely greater fatality rates than this Covid which has been proven to be a very mild disease. So once you have established the principle of destroying social and commercial life in the country for a very mild infectious disease, then that principle will carry you forward ad infinitum with respect to all the other diseases.

    If you are looking for a bit of info on this you can get some here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mj7cq1f2z16sx34/Communism%20is%20the%20Virus.pdf .

    http://www.orwellianireland.com



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  • #9811
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Yes: homemade
    brianhere wrote: »
    All measures taken recently are intended to be permanent, don't be like the publicans and be strung along with a hope they will be opened this week and then the next week etc! That's why they call it the new normal.

    After all look at it another way, there are always going to be infectious diseases, and the vast majority of them have hugely greater fatality rates than this Covid which has been proven to be a very mild disease. So once you have established the principle of destroying social and commercial life in the country for a very mild infectious disease, then that principle will carry you forward ad infinitum with respect to all the other diseases.

    If you are looking for a bit of info on this you can get some here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mj7cq1f2z16sx34/Communism%20is%20the%20Virus.pdf .


    I doubt it is regarded as 'proven to be a very mild disease' jury is still out on the after effects. Probably not as bad as might have been look at all the effort that was taken to achieve this.


  • #9812
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    brianhere wrote: »
    Covid which has been proven to be a very mild disease.

    893,000+ deaths so far

    yeah, it's all made up to keep the pubs closed :rolleyes:


  • #9813
    moonage
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭moonage


    Graham wrote: »
    :confused:

    So disturbing you went searching for a Youtube video of children wearing masks?

    No, of course I didn't go searching for this nonsense.

    It showed up as a recommendation from a lockdown/mask sceptic's channel.


  • #9814
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    brianhere wrote: »
    All measures taken recently are intended to be permanent, don't be like the publicans and be strung along with a hope they will be opened this week and then the next week etc! That's why they call it the new normal.
    After all look at it another way, there are always going to be infectious diseases, and the vast majority of them have hugely greater fatality rates than this Covid which has been proven to be a very mild disease. So once you have established the principle of destroying social and commercial life in the country for a very mild infectious disease, then that principle will carry you forward ad infinitum with respect to all the other diseases.

    You don't understand that the threat represented infectious disease isn't just the fatality rate - you are forgetting to factor in how contagious a disease is.
    And you don't understand politics either if you think "communism is the virus."

    Now back to masks.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #9815
    moonage
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭moonage


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    What's the story actually with the masks law? Is there an expiry date on it? Or is this going to go on forever or in other words until the government thinks the general opinion tide has turned? Genuine question.

    The statutory instruments expire on 5th October. It's almost certain they'll be renewed.

    I'd like to know what are the criteria for the lifting of mandatory masks. How low should death/hospitalisation rates be and for how long? I'm sure the government hasn't such a plan and they're just winging it.


  • #9816
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    moonage wrote: »
    The statutory instruments expire on 5th October. It's almost certain they'll be renewed.

    I'd like to know what are the criteria for the lifting of mandatory masks. How low should death/hospitalisation rates be and for how long? I'm sure the government hasn't such a plan and they're just winging it.
    Yeah, it's barely a month away. I could see them doing a rolling 28 day extension and as happened with LOKdown end them instantly at some point.


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  • #9817
    moonage
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭moonage


    Graham wrote: »
    893,000+ deaths so far

    yeah, it's all made up to keep the pubs closed :rolleyes:

    God, that sound like a very big number!

    But it's about 0.01% of the world's population. And how many of those died with Covid rather than from Covid?


  • #9818
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    moonage wrote: »
    God, that sound like a very big number!

    But it's about 0.01% of the world's population. And how many of those died with Covid rather than from Covid?

    It seems extraordinary that a virus which is highly transmissible and has spread to every part of every country in the world, (apart from a few remote islands), has infected such a small proportion of the world’s population.
    Even countries such as Belarus which didn’t bother with restrictions still only had a small percentage of their population infected.


  • #9819
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    moonage wrote: »
    God, that sound like a very big number!

    I suppose some might consider the guts of a million dead as insignificant but sure if masks disturb you I suppose it's a small price to pay.


  • #9820
    moonage
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭moonage


    Graham wrote: »
    I suppose some might consider the guts of a million dead as insignificant but sure if masks disturb you I suppose it's a small price to pay.

    Context is everything. About 38 million people globally have died since the start of the year.

    This is from last May when Covid was a lot worse than it is now:

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  • #9821
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    moonage wrote: »
    Context is everything. About 38 million people globally have died since the start of the year.

    This is an infectious disease.
    Its numbers follow a different curve to cancer, heart disease, vehicle or work accidents etc
    That is the context.
    You cannot by your actions reduce or increase the risk of someone else getting heart disease.

    With some cancers you can which is why smoking is banned in the same places you are now being mandated to wear a mask.

    You can reduce the spread and severity of covid19 by wearing a mask.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #9822
    moonage
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭moonage


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    You can reduce the spread and severity of covid19 by wearing a mask.

    That's a moot point.

    The evidence isn't strong enough to show they make any difference. Therefore they shouldn't be mandatory.


  • #9823
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    moonage wrote: »
    That's a moot point.

    The evidence isn't strong enough to show they make any difference. Therefore they shouldn't be mandatory.

    Fortunately that decision has been taken away from those not qualified to make it.


  • #9824
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    moonage wrote: »
    That's a moot point.
    The evidence isn't strong enough to show they make any difference. Therefore they shouldn't be mandatory.

    The evidence is strong enough to convince the CDC and ECDC.
    What they have presented convinces me.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #9825
    moonage
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭moonage


    Graham wrote: »
    Fortunately that decision has been taken away from those not qualified to make it.

    Unfortunately politicians—those not qualified to make it—made the decision to make masks mandatory. For political, not health, reasons.


  • #9826
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    moonage wrote: »
    Unfortunately politicians—those not qualified to make it—made the decision to make masks mandatory. For political, not health, reasons.

    I have no idea what you mean.
    Only politicians can make something mandatory. It is their decision always.

    You will have to find me the link where NPHET or CDC advised against mandatory masks.
    They have recommended they be worn in enclosed public places.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #9827
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    moonage wrote: »
    Unfortunately politicians—those not qualified to make it—made the decision to make masks mandatory. For political, not health, reasons.

    If you want to buy into the conspiracy theories, knock yourself out.

    There will always be a subset of the population that gets their opinion from social media.
    moonage wrote: »
    It showed up as a recommendation from a lockdown/mask sceptic's channel.

    To my mind it just confirms the need for legislation.


  • #9828
    brianhere
    Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭brianhere


    The above link I posted doesn't seem to work now, here is the book, on Ireland's response to the virus: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vgx5mzntpjyqvj9/Communism%20is%20the%20Virus.pdf .

    http://www.orwellianireland.com



  • #9829
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    moonage wrote: »
    Unfortunately politicians—those not qualified to make it—made the decision to make masks mandatory. For political, not health, reasons.

    Is there some mask manufacturer in Ireland that politicians have secretly been increasing their shares in??? The only 2 reasons I see a politician backing a *bad* idea is if they make money from it or it is a populist thing and increases their chance of re-election (and more money). Neither seem to fit here. Plus most qualified organisations seem to support mandatory mask wearing...


  • #9830
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Is there some mask manufacturer in Ireland that politicians have secretly been increasing their shares in??? The only 2 reasons I see a politician backing a *bad* idea is if they make money from it or it is a populist thing and increases their chance of re-election (and more money). Neither seem to fit here. Plus most qualified organisations seem to support mandatory mask wearing...

    Billions worth of PPE not fit for medical purpose.


  • #9831
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    That would be a no then.


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  • #9832
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,530 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    No: I don't care enough
    New thread here


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