Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

On a separate but related note, the House Judiciary Committee lost its case against Don McGann in relation to his refusal to respond to a subpoena to testify before it. This decision by the Appeals Court, if it stands, is a definite win for the Trump Administration and a further example of Congressional oversight failing to take meaningful action.

aloyisious wrote: »

Trump played the reporters at tonight's press conference, answering what he wanted & ignoring them before the cameras leaving them looking befuddled. Sometimes I think he's an ass before the cameras, sometimes a genius at using the cameras like he probably did as a game-show host getting away [as tonight] with painting the Trump convoy crew shooting at people with paintballs and spraying them with pepper-spray as all perfectly normal and reasonable activities in a situation where peoples tempers were high. This is bound to energise more of the same from his supporters when he visits Kenosha in front of the cameras.

His implied support for a self defense plea by Kyle Rittenhouse in respect of the murder of two men in Kenosha is another example of how he is playing the White House press corps for fools and part of his propaganda machine.

Is this one of the times when the polls are to be believed then yes? Or does this not fall into the category of "did ye learn nothing from 2016"?

sandbelter wrote: »

Trumps appear well on the way to second term though.

Trafalgar has him holding Michigan and Wisconsin possibly on track to picking up Minnesota as well which is now very close.

Background on Trafalgar:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/the-pollster-who-thinks-trump-is-winning-in-wisconsin-and-michigan/

to get the state based polls scroll down.
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/

You mean this Michigan?

Biden +6.2: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/michigan/

And this Wisconsin?

Biden +5.2: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/wisconsin/

TomOnBoard wrote: »

His implied support for a self defense plea by Kyle Rittenhouse in respect of the murder of two men in Kenosha is another example of how he is playing the White House press corps for fools and part of his propaganda machine.

I would like to see the video which Trump was talking about, the one where Kyle fell/tripped and was very violently attacked, after which he presumably shot at and killed his attackers, seeing we all saw the video.

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I cant tell you the timeline or the circumstances behind him being beaten, but I did see a video of him on the ground getting kicked around. Whether this was before or after the shooting I don't know, nor do I know if he instigated the incident.



But if, lets say he was being attacked, then shot two of his attackers at the time of this attack, he may have a legit self defense claim. But POTUS really should not be weighing in the way he is.

Was after he had shot and killed 2 people.

Another car crash interview with Fox. This time the interviewer has to keep him on track acting more like an aide than an interviewer "but you're not saying...".

He needs a handler in interviews att his point to try and stop him putting his foot in his mouth.

As has been mentioned. Police are more than happy for the blue lives matters people to break laws. Crossing state lines with weapons they shouldn't have. Terrorise Portland with pepper spray and paintball guns.


It is ridiculous. Trump supporters scream about being allowed a weapon but then claim it must be self defense since a protestor had a weapon.

Water John wrote: »

What's amazing, it was Laura Inghram and she was spoon feeding him and he still couldn't stay on track.

But...but....but Biden stumbled over a sentence!!!


It's amazing how people are ignoring Trumps constant rants/going off script and acting as if his behaviour is normal.

Water John wrote: »

Well the first claim is dementia and the fall back is, it's now legitimate to mock someone with a disability/stutter.

just seen this on the politics thread, he really is down the rabbit hole now

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1300620979694075904?s=09

Water John wrote: »

What's amazing, it was Laura Inghram and she was spoon feeding him and he still couldn't stay on track.

Is this the one where he compares police shootings to golfing ("they choke, just like in a golf tournament, they miss a 3ft putt") and defended Kyle Rittenhouse?
Total car crash.

Water John wrote: »

My understanding is the first guy approached him unarmed to take the weapon off him and he shot him. A second guy then followed him and whilst having a weapon in his hand had his hands up when he was shot.

A young underage white man walks past multiple police vehicles whilst people are shouting that he's shot people, carrying a long rifle, and he's not intercepted. He just sits into his car and drives home, to another state. Don't think a black man would get far.

1. A call goes out on Facebook to rally people who are prepared to arm themselves to 'protect property' from people who have burned and looted property over recent days. This results in a number of men from outside Kenosha, armed with semi-automatic rifles, coming into Kenosha and generally moving around an area where protests have taken place and where fringe elements of those protests have been involved in attacking/ burning property. This group of 'armed citizens' appear to be acting as private armed security with the blessing and thanks of some Kenosha tactical response police. They are offered water by those police and appear to be able to mill around at will.

2. 17 year old Kyle RIttenhouse (KR) came into Kenosha from a town 20 miles away in another state, and is seen moving around with his AR- style rifle throughout the afternoon along with older armed men. He tells various camera holders that he is there to help, including offering first aid to anyone who needs it.

3. There's a shouting and general scuffling scene down at a car lube place between two angry groups, one of which appears to be self-appointed armed 'security' for the property. The other appears to be remnants of an earlier Jacob Blake (JB) protest who are engaged in a 'stand-off' with the 'armed citizens' group.

4. KR is seen going in and out of the group of unarmed JB protestors.

5. An un-identified person fires a handgun into the air 10 or so yards away from KR. A different man lunges at KR and throws what appears to be a plastic bag at him. KR shoots a burst of fire at this man, killing him.

6. While people jump in to help the victim, KR leaves that area, calls a friend on the phone, and tells him that he has just shot someone.

7. Bystanders see that there's a man down, have seen/heard the shots and see KR walking/running away. He heads down the street with people following him who are shouting that this guy just shot someone. He is moving away from the 1st scene when people try to tackle him (generally in-effectively) until he trips and falls at a point in the middle of the street a couple of hundred yards away from the initial shooting.

8. A man carrying a skateboard tackles KR on the ground and tries to get the gun. He fails, and as he tries to run off again, still carrying his skateboard, he is shot a number of times by KR and dies. Another man, seen holding a handgun, is shot in the arm/elbow.

9. KR gets up and walks/runs further away from the initial shooting towards a group of police who had been stationed further down the street. He appears to hold hands up and drop them on and off and people are running on the footpaths in line with him but away from him and shouting that he has shot people.

10. Police move up in armoured vehicles towards the scene of the second shooting and tell KR to get off the street. No attempt is made to have him drop weapons or to arrest him.

11. KR leaves Kenosha and goes home.

Now, try this mind exercise:

1. In what universe, can a reasonable minded person (not to mention a POTUS) not say that Rittenhouse was in the wrong on so many levels?
2. How would that whole scene have played out if Rittenhouse was black?

Brian? wrote: »

He just called the Mayor of Kenosha and idiot who supported anarchists - he doesn't. A lie

He just claimed he sent in the national guard to quell the rioting - he didn't. A lie. The commander in chief of the Wisconsin National Guard is the governor. Everybody knows this.


Why does he tell such blatant and unbelievable lies and get away with it?

Well because for the previous nearly 70 years of his life the current POTUS could lie through his back teeth and there were no consequences of any note to these lies. As we see from the book by his niece lying was part of the family business. He’s always done it and he became the most powerful man in the world in 2016 while talking utter scutter, so the phrase if it’s not broke don’t fix it comes to mind.

Also, when was the last time a sitting US president running for re-election framed the campaign as if they were the outsider and someone else, not them were responsible for the problems ?

Brian? wrote: »

He just called the Mayor of Kenosha and idiot who supported anarchists - he doesn't. A lie

He just claimed he sent in the national guard to quell the rioting - he didn't. A lie. The commander in chief of the Wisconsin National Guard is the governor. Everybody knows this.


Why does he tell such blatant and unbelievable lies and get away with it?

Because he has built up a cult, who agree wholeheartedly and entirely when he says one thing, and then agree wholeheartedly and entirely when he says the opposite. It doesn't matter a jot what he says, they will agree with it.

Like for example how covid was a hoax made up by the democrats to make him look bad, but he was also doing everything he could to stop this very real and dangerous virus that isn't even a big deal nor worth locking down over, or wearing a mask to prevent against except when he wore a mask which proves how serious this is and how seriously he is taking it even though it's not a big deal and only 6% of the supposed 180,000+ have died from it, which is why it is such a big deal that nobody could stop and the only reason for America's economy falling through the floor which it totally hasn't, which would have happened no matter who was in charge, which shows how well Trump is dealing with this crisis where others would have failed.