Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

dalyboy · 28-08-2020 06:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The problem with Covid is, people got so caught up in it early on and over committed that it becomes hard to turn back.
The models were showing that millions of people would die. Every medical expert was dying to have their voices heard. People were making wild predictions that humanity may become extinct due to Covid.

The media ran with it obviously. It sells. And they were more than capable of looking hard to find the perfect crisis type pictures to publish.
Governments panicked and all decided to follow the leader by rushing into lockdowns, crashing the global economy along the way.

It is kind of hard to turn around a few months later when we are billions in debt and say, "Sorry, we may have over reacted just a small bit here"
But the reality is, we have about 850 - 900 excess deaths this year. Covid has almost been a non event, certainly since May.

Like I said though, At this stage we have locked down, closed pubs for 6 months, had schools closed for months, crashed the economy etc etc... We can't just admit it was an over reaction.

The entire lockdown in March was fallacious to begin with. It was a giant combo of begging the question , affirming the consequent , formal logic fallacies all jumbled up into disgusting fear word salad.

Has anything changed 6 months later ???? Nah , same ole same ole. 2nd wave (begging the question again) cases rising so deaths are assured (affirming the consequent again) , we will need a 2nd national lock down to avoid these deaths (formal logic again) , and around and around we go . Nobody in positions of power is going to have the balls to stop this as it’s based on pure flawed assumptions to begin with.

road_high · 28-08-2020 06:06PM

dalyboy wrote: »

The entire lockdown in March was fallacious to begin with. It was a giant combo of begging the question , affirming the consequent , formal logic fallacies all jumbled up into disgusting fear word salad.

Has anything changed 6 months later ???? Nah , same ole same ole. 2nd wave (begging the question again) cases rising so deaths are assured (affirming the consequent again) , we will need a 2nd national lock down to avoid these deaths (formal logic again) , and around and around we go . Nobody in positions of power is going to have the balls to stop this as it’s based on pure flawed assumptions to begin with.

Problem with lockdowns is they solve nothing apart from kick the can down the road- all of us who could engage our critical faculties predicted that would be the case and so it is.
In a country like Ireland where a huge proportion of the general population don’t work or contribute in anyway to the exchequer it becomes a greater problem as they see nothing wrong with state sponsored bone idleness and like the validation in fact

_Kaiser_ · 28-08-2020 06:09PM

Watching the news and George Lee with his daily dose of negativity.

At the same time, another day of zero deaths pops up from the IT.

The situation gets more ridiculous by the day

MadYaker · 28-08-2020 06:12PM

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It really isn't hard to see why house parties and social gatherings in houses have become so popular. Most people that I know don't want anything to do with this "New normal" as they call it. There is simply very little to do.

Travel abroad is not advised
Obviously all concerts and sporting events are cancelled.
Pubs are closed
Gyms and other leisure centres are still closed or open with a lot of restrictions
People don't meet up to go shopping anymore. Having to sanitize in every single shop and keep a mask on all day is tiresome.
Same applies to the cinema
Going out for a meal can be nice at times, but its not something I'd do frequently. We don't tend to be big foodie's in Ireland.

It is beyond frustrating that so many social outlets remains closed and now they are coming after social gatherings in your house.
What the F*ck am I supposed to do? Work 40 hours a week in my sitting room and wear full PPE around the house???

On this very thread we have reports from 3 different countries today that things are much more relaxed and have a more sensible approach to Covid than the panic, hysteria, restrictions we have here.

Ireland/NI is the only country in all of Europe with pubs closed. Why??? Is there evidence that Irish pubs are more dangerous than abroad?

Like I said, people don't want this new normal rubbish. They want to carry on with their lives while taken sensible precautions.
There will be very little public support for a 2nd lockdown.

When we look back at all of this, I guarantee we'll be left wondering why we burned the place to the ground. The "Solution" will be worse than the illness.

Are you always this dramatic? You're supposed to stop whinging like a little b!tch and put up with it for two years because that's the only option available. Regardless of the inaccuracies that you keep repeating despite all the facts that have been pointed out to you again and again and again daily life in Ireland is 90% the same as every other country in europe. Yes the pubs are closed, in europe they don't have pubs like we do, but all the nightclubs are closed because they are a similar environment. We are carrying on with our lives and taking sensible proportions. You want to carry on with your life and take zero precautions. "Burning the place to the ground" :rolleyes: give me a break. I hope you never have to ensure some genuine hardship in your life.

facehugger99 · 28-08-2020 06:17PM

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Jesus. I have been a supporter of the restrictions to this point, but listening to this, it is now getting farcical. NPHET and the government and journalists like Pat Kenny are losing the run of themselves and need to take a step back.

firemansam4 wrote: »

I have generally been of the opinion that NPHET are the experts and must have the expertise to know what they are doing

But I have to say I'm starting to question the actions now, talk of a second lock down seems madness at the moment when there are so few cases in ICU and deaths have dropped down so low.
The whole point was to flatten the curve and stop our hospitals being over run.

I wonder how many posts like these today will start popping up in the coming weeks?

How many more months of lockdown and billions of debt will be tolerated by the slow of thinking for a disease that is to all intents harmless to the vast, vast majority of the population.

Meanwhile over on RTE, another day of zero deaths and another day of droning hysteria....

_Kaiser_ · 28-08-2020 06:23PM

Ah here it comes.. Big changes to the temporary wage subsidy scheme (for employers) from next Tuesday.

- less money
- longer fulfilment time
- tax clearance certs required

Watch as the mood shifts rapidly as these unnecessary restrictions that are killing consumer confidence and spending starts to hit those who've been doing just fine under the current scheme.

More redundancies, business closures and welfare pressures imminent.

28-08-2020 06:25PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Are you always this dramatic? You're supposed to stop whinging like a little b!tch and put up with it for two years because that's the only option available. Regardless of the inaccuracies that you keep repeating despite all the facts that have been pointed out to you again and again and again daily life in Ireland is 90% the same as every other country in europe. Yes the pubs are closed, in europe they don't have pubs like we do, but all the nightclubs are closed because they are a similar environment. We are carrying on with our lives and taking sensible proportions. You want to carry on with your life and take zero precautions. "Burning the place to the ground" :rolleyes: give me a break. I hope you never have to ensure some genuine hardship in your life.

Hahaha we won’t have an economy left if we try to keep this nonsense up. I can assure you of that.

_Kaiser_ · 28-08-2020 06:27PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Are you always this dramatic? You're supposed to stop whinging like a little b!tch and put up with it for two years because that's the only option available. Regardless of the inaccuracies that you keep repeating despite all the facts that have been pointed out to you again and again and again daily life in Ireland is 90% the same as every other country in europe. Yes the pubs are closed, in europe they don't have pubs like we do, but all the nightclubs are closed because they are a similar environment. We are carrying on with our lives and taking sensible proportions. You want to carry on with your life and take zero precautions. "Burning the place to the ground" :rolleyes: give me a break. I hope you never have to ensure some genuine hardship in your life.

I think you know that there's a lot more to the economic impacts than just pubs and nightclubs closed in fairness

drunkmonkey · 28-08-2020 06:33PM

Seeing a pretty consistent theme with the posting here...

road_high · 28-08-2020 06:46PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Watching the news and George Lee with his daily dose of negativity.

At the same time, another day of zero deaths pops up from the IT.

The situation gets more ridiculous by the day

Yea I was at my parents yesterday and saw him too- the grim reaper is back- was on holidays for ages? Wonder did he nail himself in at home? I doubt it....

road_high · 28-08-2020 06:46PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Seeing a pretty consistent theme with the posting here...

Amen!

Happydays2020 · 28-08-2020 06:48PM

road_high wrote: »

Yea I was at my parents yesterday and saw him too- the grim reaper is back- was on holidays for ages? Wonder did he nail himself in at home? I doubt it....

He fancies himself as Trade Commissioner.

road_high · 28-08-2020 06:50PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Ah here it comes.. Big changes to the temporary wage subsidy scheme (for employers) from next Tuesday.

- less money
- longer fulfilment time
- tax clearance certs required

Watch as the mood shifts rapidly as these unnecessary restrictions that are killing consumer confidence and spending starts to hit those who've been doing just fine under the current scheme.

More redundancies, business closures and welfare pressures imminent.

Redundancies and business closures are coming. The summer has been nothing short of a disaster for most SMEs involved in the hospitality, leisure, retail sectors. It’s very sad and I think those of us here without our heads stuck in cloud cuckoo Covid land saw it all coming a mile off. No €350 per week for these people anymore either laud off going forward.

hmmm · 28-08-2020 06:52PM

Good to see our 7 day average has at least stopped rising, but hospitalisation numbers are beginning to increase which is not good.

We need to redouble down on the social distancing, mask-wearing, responsible businesses to allow the parts of our economy which are open to remain open.

Kildare is also looking good I'd have thought, but it will take a few more days yet to know if the trend is consistent. A bit concerning all the various clusters popping up around the country, any one would have the potential to cause a wider outbreak. We can't afford to roll the dice too many times.

bucketybuck · 28-08-2020 07:43PM

Another day without a covid death. Government officials are said the be "very concerned" and are contemplating legislation to give the guards stronger powers in order to fight this worrying level of deaths.

Am I correct in saying that there hasn't been a death all week?

odyssey06 · 28-08-2020 07:45PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Another day without a covid death. Government officials are said the be "very concerned" and are contemplating legislation to give the guards stronger powers in order to fight this worrying level of deaths.

Can you point us to the quote where they saw they are very concerned about the worrying levels of deaths?

normanoffside · 28-08-2020 07:45PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Another day without a covid death. Government officials are said the be "very concerned" and are contemplating legislation to give the guards stronger powers in order to fight this worrying level of deaths.

Am I correct in saying that there hasn't been a death all week?

I'd Imagine that more people have died from falling down the stairs this week.

CruelSummer · 28-08-2020 07:55PM

Two points from today's 'media' - as I have come to the conclusion over lockdown, our free press has ceased to exist some time ago and we were all too busy to notice:
1. Claire Byrne was painting a picture this morning of two options: Either allow Gardaí to enter people's homes to break up gatherings, or it's inevitable another lockdown will ensue...
Why would someone in such a position present the Irish public with these two options only? Thankfully most contributors to her show were staunchly against any such measures and couldn't understand why the Government weren't tackling the present issues involved, e.g. meat factories, direct provision, etc. They're throwing around '2nd Lockdown' with no other ideas and it's pathetic.
2. The witch hunt after Phil Hogan, followed by his resignation, and the subsequent reporting in the media that we'd lost a vital trade post should be alarming to most of the voting public. RTE and others went after Phil Hogan, forced his resignation, and then proceeded to report on what a loss he would be in Brussels. Claire Byrne actually presented this idea yesterday and today as great....because the Government were 'united' in their approach to Big Phil's position....how pathetic that our public representatives would be untied in weakening our State in Trade talks during a time of Brexit and Covid.

odyssey06 · 28-08-2020 07:59PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

2. The witch hunt after Phil Hogan, followed by his resignation, and the subsequent reporting in the media that we'd lost a vital trade post should be alarming to most of the voting public. RTE and others went after Phil Hogan, forced his resignation, and then proceeded to report on what a loss he would be in Brussels. Claire Byrne actually presented this idea yesterday and today as great....because the Government were 'united' in their approach to Big Phil's position....how pathetic that our public representatives would be untied in weakening our State in Trade talks during a time of Brexit and Covid.

Can you point to one single thing Phil Hogan did as EU Commissioner, in Ireland's favour, that was different to say an equally capable EU Commissioner from France would have done?

road_high · 28-08-2020 08:02PM

Claire Byrne is an absolute dimwit. She’s the epitome of RTE scripted wokeness- but she still gets her completely unwarranted salary will still be paid into her bank a/c.
Ever there was a reason to publicly defund rte Covid 19 is it

xhomelezz · 28-08-2020 08:08PM

Last couple pages are just amazing, I'm speechless. Seriously want pubs open, less nonsense to read to dig some posts which are actually worth of something.

hamburgham · 28-08-2020 08:13PM

road_high wrote: »

Claire Byrne is an absolute dimwit. She’s the epitome of RTE scripted wokeness- but she still gets her completely unwarranted salary wash mont paid into her bank a/c.
Ever there was a reason to publicly defund rte Covid 19 is it

100% agree. Complete lightweight. Got the position by upsetting nobody. No intellect and as bland as porridge.

Lundstram · 28-08-2020 08:18PM

Zero mortality rate in 6 days yet they keep the pubs closed without even giving them the chance to prove themselves.

Fcuking disgraceful what’s happening in this country at the moment.

We must be the laughing stock of Europe. Embarrassing.

28-08-2020 08:27PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Zero mortality rate in 6 days yet they keep the pubs closed without even giving them the chance to prove themselves.

Fcuking disgraceful what’s happening in this country at the moment.

We must be the laughing stock of Europe. Embarrassing.

Leo saying they might not open this year.

I wonder what scientific evidence they are using that shows pubs in Ireland are higher risk than in other countries...

CruelSummer · 28-08-2020 08:30PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Can you point to one single thing Phil Hogan did as EU Commissioner, in Ireland's favour, that was different to say an equally capable EU Commissioner from France would have done?

You're right, let's just hand over all our posts to Europe, sure an equally capable German politician could run Ireland no bother. What European candidate do you nominate for Taoiseach? They're such a great bunch of lads, those EU politicians - not after their own vested interests at all.

P.S. No way would Germany, France, or any other European country be stupid enough to hand over their EU Trade Commissioner post over a golfing fiasco. The problem/anger here has been deflected, our Restrictions are ridiculous, they're destroying our economy and future, they're ruining economic confidence, and until now, they were depriving our younger generation of an Education.
Not to mention, deaths are way down. Can I have a breakdown of what the other 90 people a day in Ireland die from? Or are some on this thread still pretending life is eternal?

odyssey06 · 28-08-2020 08:38PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

You're right, let's just hand over all our posts to Europe, sure an equally capable German politician could run Ireland no bother. What European candidate do you nominate for Taoiseach? They're such a great bunch of lads, those EU politicians - not after their own vested interests at all.

So you cannot find one single instance where Phil Hogan acted in Ireland's interests?

When we send someone to Brussels, their loyalty and duty is to the EU Commission. That's who pays their wages and controls what portfolios they get.
Ireland doesn't come into it.
I'd nominate lots of people from Europe, as long as they lived here and were answerable to the Irish electorate. PMs of Denmark Netherlands Austria for starters.

road_high · 28-08-2020 08:41PM

hamburgham wrote: »

100% agree. Complete lightweight. Got the position by upsetting nobody. No intellect and as bland as porridge.

Absolute. No original thinking, no reasoned positions on anything. Apart from PC conformist rubbish.
Mary Wilson, Claire Byrne, Katie hannon, Suzanne Keogh all the exact drivel ****e just different names and voices.

hmmm · 28-08-2020 08:42PM

Great to see that in most countries people are happy (sometimes very happy) with their national response.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/08/27/most-approve-of-national-response-to-covid-19-in-14-advanced-economies/

Some of the countries which put the least effort into controlling the virus fare worst (UK, US, Sweden).

Also very interesting to see that economic confidence is directly correlated to how well the population thinks the government has dealt with the virus.

road_high · 28-08-2020 08:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Leo saying they might not open this year.

I wonder what scientific evidence they are using that shows pubs in Ireland are higher risk than in other countries...

Social media hysteria. It’s all the “scientific evidence” Varadkar was ever led by

road_high · 28-08-2020 08:44PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

He fancies himself as Trade Commissioner.

I think he’d make a good funeral director. He’s tried politics already and failed miserably

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