Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Diabhalta · 28-08-2020 01:21PM

MadYaker wrote: »

During lockdown you would have had a point alright but now most places here are open again. Even during lockdown we could get takeaway pints. Monroes in Galway were driving around town pouring pints out of the back of a jeep. It was more a laugh than anything else. Masks might be a difference, mandatory indoors here now, no idea what the story is with them over there. Nice places to visit but I wouldn't move there. There is a reason that there are tens of thousands of czechs in living in Ireland and fcuk all irish living over there.

The reason is money, not beer or weather duh. English is also easier to learn than Czech. 2x duh.

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You can't use a changing room at my local gym, you can't shower after a workout session.

You can't take a shower after swimming session, wash your hair. You have to go home and shower again there.

What kind of covid garbage is this???

Backwards Ireland.

MadYaker · 28-08-2020 01:23PM

Are gym shower regulations the measure of a society now?

bucketybuck · 28-08-2020 01:25PM

hmmm wrote: »

Imagine trying to fight a war with this group.

"There is no war, the explosions you are seeing don't exist."
"We should simply surrender and allow the enemy to win"
"Wait till we see the cost of all these bullets we are giving our soldiers"
"I don't think it will really affect me, I'm going to opt out"
"I was talking to a senior army officer recently, and him and all his general friends are sure this war is a story made up by the government to keep the sheeple in their bunkers"

You probably think there should still be internment up North.

Sure, there is little active terrorism ongoing but that doesn't matter, better safe than sorry.

walus · 28-08-2020 01:28PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

It doesn't show "peoples" perception, or the risk it bears to the "population".
It shows the perception of one particular demographic of the risk to their demographic.
And that perception could well be wrong.

How contagious is pneumonia?
How treatable is pneumonia?
There is a vaccine for pneumonia - some forms of it.
That's pretty important to how a disease is treated in terms of public health.

Covid-19 is a virus with a very strong association with age and certain pre-conditions.
That said, 400-500 under 50s in the UK without co-morbidities died from covid-19.
I don't have the figures for here.

You are right, the sample size is way to small to draw any meaningful conclusion when it comes to a society as a whole. What this experiment was for was to check how people approach the decision of choosing between the two and how quickly jump to judgement even though the information that they have on hand is completely anecdotal, based on a single case of friend of a friend etc.

road_high · 28-08-2020 01:28PM

MadYaker wrote: »

These people will all have breakdowns if anything worse than this ever happens.

No they’re just sick of made up “rules” that make fcuk all difference except bankrupt the nation.
Whole response is a farce and goes against all logic regarding physical health (let’s close gyms and exercise but keep offies and take seats open) and bolt perfectly healthy up in their homes paying them to do nothing (and get obese)

stephenjmcd · 28-08-2020 01:28PM

"Government continues to worry about the impact of social gatherings in houses on Covid-19, but it is NOT considering legislation today that could give gardaí powers to enter a home where more than six people are visiting."

walus · 28-08-2020 01:33PM

hmmm wrote: »

You asked a group of intelligent people what they thought, they gave you an answer you didn't like, and you didn't ask yourself whether you might be misjudging the risk yourself?

Nothing of the sort. I was staggered how impaired their process of decision making was, and that they never even considered looking beyond the RTÉ hysteria to make up their minds.

road_high · 28-08-2020 01:35PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Are gym shower regulations the measure of a society now?

Our gyms showers haven’t reopened? They may never at this rate. More bonkers rubbish

walus · 28-08-2020 01:37PM

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

I know many who have had covid. Only recently I talked to a lady who lost someone. There was no anger from her. Or anyone else for that matter that has come down with this virus. I have never met anyone yet that wished that they were somewhere else because the recommendations are too lenient. My girlfriends mother is 66, has diabetes and takes the underground to work every day. Her mother is nearly 90 years old with diabetes. They meet often for lunch or dinner at cafes, restaurants etc. They are very aware that diabetes is one of the main underlying ailments that contribute to death when covid is in the human body.
Strange how those that I know here that are most vulnerable don’t want to force people to wear masks for example. It’s very possible that one of them might catch covid. But they won’t blame anyone else.

Good point. The elderly have the freedom to decide for themselves they don’t want to be babysat by the government.

stephenjmcd · 28-08-2020 01:38PM

road_high wrote: »

Our gyms showers haven’t reopened? They may never at this rate. More bonkers rubbish

Count themselves lucky. My own gym hasn't even reopened yet

Diabhalta · 28-08-2020 01:39PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Are gym shower regulations the measure of a society now?

Along with plenty of other things the answer is yes.

Diabhalta · 28-08-2020 01:40PM

road_high wrote: »

Our gyms showers haven’t reopened? They may never at this rate. More bonkers rubbish

exactly. Like wtf are they doing? Bunch of morons.

MadYaker · 28-08-2020 01:52PM

I don't understand the gym rules either to be honest. If the gyms are open what difference does it make if people use the showers and changing rooms? I never liked gyms so I wasn't aware.

Penfailed · 28-08-2020 01:53PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

People like yourself have the most to answer for. It's been obvious for months what is happening.

I always said by the time lockdown-cheerleaders like yourself woke up, it'd be already too late.

Too late for what?

"People like yourself have the most to answer..." for what?

road_high · 28-08-2020 02:02PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Count themselves lucky. My own gym hasn't even reopened yet

Yea we’re lucky- they have loads of space, AstroTurf, track etc.
Was talking to one of the instructors and he was saying there’s loads around the country not reopened yet

stephenjmcd · 28-08-2020 02:41PM

road_high wrote: »

Yea we’re lucky- they have loads of space, AstroTurf, track etc.
Was talking to one of the instructors and he was saying there’s loads around the country not reopened yet

Yup we've no idea of a date yet for ours. Can't join others either as they've stopped taking new memberships for the moment

_Kaiser_ · 28-08-2020 02:53PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

"Government continues to worry about the impact of social gatherings in houses on Covid-19, but it is NOT considering legislation today that could give gardaí powers to enter a home where more than six people are visiting."

Sounds like the public outcry on the radio and elsewhere this morning shot that kite down fairly quickly.

stephenjmcd · 28-08-2020 02:56PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Sounds like the public outcry on the radio and elsewhere this morning shot that kite down fairly quickly.

Partially that probably and probably to do with the AG as well. They'd need to be sure there isn't any constitutional issues and there's still big question marks there.

Will also need a Dáil vote

road_high · 28-08-2020 03:09PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Sounds like the public outcry on the radio and elsewhere this morning shot that kite down fairly quickly.

That would have been an unprecedented level of intrusion and restriction into private homes. Would it even be constitutional I wonder? It’s all gone too far now, time to call a halt to the ever growing nonsense. Covid 19 is here

28-08-2020 03:14PM

Leo varadkar stated on news talk that masks were very difficult to enforce due to breathing issues and anxiety regarding people having their mouths covered etc. He also said that's a road we don't want to go down. Cut to weeks later and they've done exactly that, now they want to knock on your door and see your dance card!!

If they went don't this road, I really do think we'd see civil unrest. Any talk of or use of phrases like extra powers and unlawful etc, will be the last straw for irish people I think, the very erosion of civil liberties and politicians writing the rules as they go, Sure that's almost totalitarianism hidden in plain site.

TomTomTim · 28-08-2020 03:14PM

road_high wrote: »

That would have been an unprecedented level of intrusion and restriction into private homes. Would it even be constitutional I wonder? It’s all gone too far now, time to call a halt to the ever growing nonsense. Covid 19 is here

Why question constitutionality now? Most of the legislation that's been passed wouldn't be constitutional under normal circumstances.

28-08-2020 03:23PM

It really isn't hard to see why house parties and social gatherings in houses have become so popular. Most people that I know don't want anything to do with this "New normal" as they call it. There is simply very little to do.

Travel abroad is not advised
Obviously all concerts and sporting events are cancelled.
Pubs are closed
Gyms and other leisure centres are still closed or open with a lot of restrictions
People don't meet up to go shopping anymore. Having to sanitize in every single shop and keep a mask on all day is tiresome.
Same applies to the cinema
Going out for a meal can be nice at times, but its not something I'd do frequently. We don't tend to be big foodie's in Ireland.

It is beyond frustrating that so many social outlets remains closed and now they are coming after social gatherings in your house.
What the F*ck am I supposed to do? Work 40 hours a week in my sitting room and wear full PPE around the house???

On this very thread we have reports from 3 different countries today that things are much more relaxed and have a more sensible approach to Covid than the panic, hysteria, restrictions we have here.

Ireland/NI is the only country in all of Europe with pubs closed. Why??? Is there evidence that Irish pubs are more dangerous than abroad?

Like I said, people don't want this new normal rubbish. They want to carry on with their lives while taken sensible precautions.
There will be very little public support for a 2nd lockdown.

When we look back at all of this, I guarantee we'll be left wondering why we burned the place to the ground. The "Solution" will be worse than the illness.

nw1dqsv7amx026 · 28-08-2020 03:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The "Solution" will be worse than the illness.

Be careful, they'll call you a Trump supporter now :eek:

I think the only hope now is that one of the bigger EU countries changes tack so we can follow.

28-08-2020 03:59PM

Excess deaths is at about 850 - 900.

The level of excess mortality in Ireland caused by the coronavirus pandemic fell last month, according to updated analysis of death notices published by the Central Statistics Office.

According to the report, Covid-19 resulted in between 850 and 900 more deaths occurring in Ireland in the five months from the start of March and the end of July than would have occurred in the absence of the pandemic.

nw1dqsv7amx026 · 28-08-2020 04:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Excess deaths is at about 850 - 900.

The level of excess mortality in Ireland caused by the coronavirus pandemic fell last month, according to updated analysis of death notices published by the Central Statistics Office.

According to the report, Covid-19 resulted in between 850 and 900 more deaths occurring in Ireland in the five months from the start of March and the end of July than would have occurred in the absence of the pandemic.

The problem with your post is now you will be told, look the lock down worked.

The CSO report (could you link it) will not reference deaths in the future due to cancers missed but will include deaths because of missed medical care/personal crisis.

28-08-2020 04:15PM

Alaina Juicy Bill wrote: »

The problem with your post is now you will be told, look the lock down worked.

The CSO report (could you link it) will not reference deaths in the future due to cancers missed but will include deaths because of missed medical care/personal crisis.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0828/1161895-excess-mortality-figures/

I just got it on RTE.

I know the responses it will get.

No matter what we say or show, some people will always believe that lockdown saved thousands of lives.

hamburgham · 28-08-2020 04:55PM

As another poster has already pointed out, the behaviour of the media has been a scandal in itself. Irish Times today has an article titled ...Hogan affair exposes the stupid travel rules strangling the travel sector by Mark Paul but no comments are allowed. I cannot get over the total silence as our successful airline industry is destroyed.

I would strongly recommend the Daily Telegraph who have had writers criticiziing all this ****e for months now. Really excellent articles and you realise just how poor our media is. I don't listen to Irish radio any more, day after day of Mary wasn't wearing a mask.

28-08-2020 05:16PM

The problem with Covid is, people got so caught up in it early on and over committed that it becomes hard to turn back.
The models were showing that millions of people would die. Every medical expert was dying to have their voices heard. People were making wild predictions that humanity may become extinct due to Covid.

The media ran with it obviously. It sells. And they were more than capable of looking hard to find the perfect crisis type pictures to publish.
Governments panicked and all decided to follow the leader by rushing into lockdowns, crashing the global economy along the way.

It is kind of hard to turn around a few months later when we are billions in debt and say, "Sorry, we may have over reacted just a small bit here"
But the reality is, we have about 850 - 900 excess deaths this year. Covid has almost been a non event, certainly since May.

Like I said though, At this stage we have locked down, closed pubs for 6 months, had schools closed for months, crashed the economy etc etc... We can't just admit it was an over reaction.

walus · 28-08-2020 05:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The problem with Covid is, people got so caught up in it early on and over committed that it becomes hard to turn back.
The models were showing that millions of people would die. Every medical expert was dying to have their voices heard. People were making wild predictions that humanity may become extinct due to Covid.

The media ran with it obviously. It sells. And they were more than capable of looking hard to find the perfect crisis type pictures to publish.
Governments panicked and all decided to follow the leader by rushing into lockdowns, crashing the global economy along the way.

It is kind of hard to turn around a few months later when we are billions in debt and say, "Sorry, we may have over reacted just a small bit here"
But the reality is, we have about 850 - 900 excess deaths this year. Covid has almost been a non event, certainly since May.

Like I said though, At this stage we have locked down, closed pubs for 6 months, had schools closed for months, crashed the economy etc etc... We can't just admit it was an over reaction.

So statistically speaking roughly half of the 1777 deaths currently quoted as Covid deaths would have happened anyway, even without Covid.

road_high · 28-08-2020 05:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The problem with Covid is, people got so caught up in it early on and over committed that it becomes hard to turn back.
The models were showing that millions of people would die. Every medical expert was dying to have their voices heard. People were making wild predictions that humanity may become extinct due to Covid.

The media ran with it obviously. It sells. And they were more than capable of looking hard to find the perfect crisis type pictures to publish.
Governments panicked and all decided to follow the leader by rushing into lockdowns, crashing the global economy along the way.

It is kind of hard to turn around a few months later when we are billions in debt and say, "Sorry, we may have over reacted just a small bit here"
But the reality is, we have about 850 - 900 excess deaths this year. Covid has almost been a non event, certainly since May.

Like I said though, At this stage we have locked down, closed pubs for 6 months, had schools closed for months, crashed the economy etc etc... We can't just admit it was an over reaction.

Yes in Other words- Complete brainwashing. Covid 19 worship is absolutely the closest thing I’ve ever witnessed to cult like devotion.
The same fruit loops checking in and commenting on the daily figures as if it were the Angelus in my grandparents time

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings