Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

topper75 · 28-08-2020 09:43AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

All the March/April deaths in nursing homes were clearly people who had caught the virus months before, probably on their Wuhan weekend break.

Of course that would mean the virus was in those same nursing homes for months on end, which also could mean that approx 25,000 older people were exposed to it. Which would raise a few implications of its own.

:pac:

As I said mental gymnastics!

topper75 · 28-08-2020 09:46AM

hmmm wrote: »

You asked a group of intelligent people what they thought, they gave you an answer you didn't like, and you didn't ask yourself whether you might be misjudging the risk yourself?

Can we distinguish between an answer not liked and an answer that doesn't make sense?

Because they are quite different things.

The latter puts the onus back on the 'intelligent' people to explain. If they don't offer anything... that is a problem.

Assetbacked · 28-08-2020 10:13AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/crackdown-planned-on-house-parties-and-pubs-that-do-not-comply-with-covid-19-rules-1.4340576?mode=amp

An offence to have more than 8 people in your house and 15 in your garden.

Wet pubs still can't open.

Kildare still in lockdown.

Ruling out cocooning of the elderly due to the adverse impact on their health.

A shambles as it is not based on data, but the kicker;

"Dr Glynn said officials were “not contemplating a national lockdown as things currently stand”, adding he hoped the spread of the virus had not reached a “tipping point”."

He is not in charge of the country, how could he talk as if he is? What are the politicians doing? NPHET are supposed to be advising solely on the health but only advising as there are other considerations and other health issues to consider.

Happydays2020 · 28-08-2020 10:18AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/crackdown-planned-on-house-parties-and-pubs-that-do-not-comply-with-covid-19-rules-1.4340576?mode=amp

An offence to have more than 8 people in your house and 15 in your garden.

Wet pubs still can't open.

Kildare still in lockdown.

Ruling out cocooning of the elderly due to the adverse impact on their health.

A shambles as it is not based on data, but the kicker;

"Dr Glynn said officials were “not contemplating a national lockdown as things currently stand”, adding he hoped the spread of the virus had not reached a “tipping point”."

He is not in charge of the country, how could he talk as if he is? What are the politicians doing? NPHET are supposed to be advising solely on the health but only advising as there are other considerations and other health issues to consider.

Put Glynn together with Donnelly and it is not hard to see who is the adult in the room talking some sense.

Patrick2010 · 28-08-2020 10:22AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Put Glynn together with Donnelly and it is not hard to see who is the adult in the room talking some sense.

Neither of them if you ask me.

_Kaiser_ · 28-08-2020 10:24AM

The whole issue of criminalising people for having "too many" people in their home being discussed on R1 at the moment. Have to agree with the callers that the Govt/NPHET have gone too far and really this is being driven by yet another attack on the younger generation.

Micky 32 · 28-08-2020 10:25AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Ruling out cocooning of the elderly due to the adverse impact on their health.

I don’t think the sentiment is out there for another lockdown. I was talking to a 75 year old lady yesterday who lives on her own said she cocooned and followed the rules in the last lockdown. She said never again, if another lockdown happens she’ll break the rules next time. I get around a lot due to my work and that’s the vibes i’m getting.

road_high · 28-08-2020 10:27AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Correct. We have painted ourselves into a dark corner. We have a panel of ultra cautious, myopic medical advisors dictating policy to a spineless set of decision makers, supported by a pandering media.

All this being fed into the heads of the public. Clearly the unspoken message is “keep the public scared. It’s the only way they’ll actually listen to us.”

I sincerely hope the general public aren’t as easily manipulated as they’re perceived as by the people above.

Personally I’ve more or less stopped listening bar the odd unavoidable clips you hear and see. Deleted social media and it’s been a great decision. I couldn’t tell you what the “case number” is per day anymore and couldn’t give a hoot what it is now either.
Once they had the meltdown there through august with virtually no deaths I just gave up listening. This thing is the biggest overblown farce of my lifetime

road_high · 28-08-2020 10:31AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I don’t think the sentiment is out there for another lockdown. I was talking to a 75 year old lady yesterday who lives on her own said she cocooned and followed the rules in the last lockdown. She said never again, if another lockdown happens she’ll break the rules next time. I get around a lot due to my work and that’s the vibes i’m getting.

There isn’t the stomach for one. Despite Rte and all the full salaried uneffected chorus of Covid fanatics crowing for more.
It had broad support last March. Once it was proven time be a pointless farce that’s melted away. The LOK lockdown really finished its credibility as any perceived kind of useful tool

stephenjmcd · 28-08-2020 10:39AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The whole issue of criminalising people for having "too many" people in their home being discussed on R1 at the moment. Have to agree with the callers that the Govt/NPHET have gone too far and really this is being driven by yet another attack on the younger generation.

Its not even going to be enforced. Gardai won't be going out or prioritising calls of oh theres 10 people in the house next door.

Irish times reporting its to be considered but RTE and Independent both saying only measures being disuccsed today relate to pubs/restaurants flouting the rules

hmmm · 28-08-2020 10:44AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I don’t think the sentiment is out there for another lockdown. I was talking to a 75 year old lady yesterday who lives on her own said she cocooned and followed the rules in the last lockdown. She said never again, if another lockdown happens she’ll break the rules next time. I get around a lot due to my work and that’s the vibes i’m getting.

I hope we don't have to have another lockdown, and we can avoid it if we all do our bit - masks, social distancing, no indoor house parties and so on.

There was no "sentiment" for lockdown in Italy either, but once the hospitals started to fill and the doctors asked people to cop the f**k on, the sentiment changed very quickly.

28-08-2020 10:46AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/crackdown-planned-on-house-parties-and-pubs-that-do-not-comply-with-covid-19-rules-1.4340576?mode=amp

An offence to have more than 8 people in your house and 15 in your garden.

Wet pubs still can't open.

Kildare still in lockdown.

Ruling out cocooning of the elderly due to the adverse impact on their health.

A shambles as it is not based on data, but the kicker;

"Dr Glynn said officials were “not contemplating a national lockdown as things currently stand”, adding he hoped the spread of the virus had not reached a “tipping point”."

He is not in charge of the country, how could he talk as if he is? What are the politicians doing? NPHET are supposed to be advising solely on the health but only advising as there are other considerations and other health issues to consider.

What would be really nice to hear is what actions they are putting in place to prevent further outbreaks in factories? Does anybody have the power to shut down a factory when a outbreak occurs?

What are they doing to ensure people are isolating that are coming into the country from abroad? Why are we still letting in flights from areas badly impacted by Covid?

Why do our healthcare staff keep catching it? How do outbreaks keep happening in medical environments?

Instead they keep trying to blame pubs and house parties. It is baffling how people cannot see through this.

_Kaiser_ · 28-08-2020 10:49AM

hmmm wrote: »

I hope we don't have to have another lockdown, and we can avoid it if we all do our bit - masks, social distancing, no indoor house parties and so on.

There was no "sentiment" for lockdown in Italy either, but once the hospitals started to fill and the doctors asked people to cop the f**k on, the sentiment changed very quickly.

There is no need for a lockdown. The outcome of cases (which, as I keep saying, is the important metric) doesn't warrant it.

- Hospitals not overrun
- a handful of people in ICU
- 0 new deaths in days. A handful over the last few weeks

That's the reality of the situation. The virus is still dangerous to those with existing conditions or the elderly but for almost everyone else there is little to no real risk from it - not something that a lot here want to hear, but again the observed and statistical evidence.

niallo27 · 28-08-2020 10:52AM

hmmm wrote: »

I hope we don't have to have another lockdown, and we can avoid it if we all do our bit - masks, social distancing, no indoor house parties and so on.

There was no "sentiment" for lockdown in Italy either, but once the hospitals started to fill and the doctors asked people to cop the f**k on, the sentiment changed very quickly.

This was at the very start, I dont think the Italians will stand for another lockdown, their hospitals are empty as well.

road_high · 28-08-2020 10:53AM

hmmm wrote: »

I hope we don't have to have another lockdown, and we can avoid it if we all do our bit - masks, social distancing, no indoor house parties and so on.

There was no "sentiment" for lockdown in Italy either, but once the hospitals started to fill and the doctors asked people to cop the f**k on, the sentiment changed very quickly.

“Clutches at straws.....”

28-08-2020 10:56AM

niallo27 wrote: »

This was at the very start, I dont think the Italians will stand for another lockdown, their hospitals are empty as well.

I was in Rome last week and talked to a few locals about this. Every single one said that there is no chance of another lockdown, even in the event of a substantial increase in hospitalisations. There is a widespread acceptance across the political spectrum and the press that another lockdown will destroy the fabric of the country, and create a greater long term public health crisis than COVID.

28-08-2020 10:59AM

Ten Pin wrote: »

Potential new laws being discussed on Newstalk now

Jesus. I have been a supporter of the restrictions to this point, but listening to this, it is now getting farcical. NPHET and the government and journalists like Pat Kenny are losing the run of themselves and need to take a step back.

hmmm · 28-08-2020 11:00AM

niallo27 wrote: »

This was at the very start, I dont think the Italians will stand for another lockdown, their hospitals are empty as well.

Our hospitals are not empty, the numbers are going up. Most of us are doing our bit to try and reduce spread, the biggest risk to our economy now is the people who are not doing their bit. So it'd be good if people on here stopped lecturing people like me about the economy and how important it is, while they also boast about how they are out and about maskless and putting no effort into trying to restrict the spread of the virus.

MadYaker · 28-08-2020 11:06AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What would be really nice to hear is what actions they are putting in place to prevent further outbreaks in factories? Does anybody have the power to shut down a factory when a outbreak occurs?

What are they doing to ensure people are isolating that are coming into the country from abroad? Why are we still letting in flights from areas badly impacted by Covid?

Why do our healthcare staff keep catching it? How do outbreaks keep happening in medical environments?

Instead they keep trying to blame pubs and house parties. It is baffling how people cannot see through this.

All these questions were answered by NPHET yesterday. I really get the impression that a lot of people in this thread just aren’t actually paying attention to what’s happening. From Dr John Cuddihy last night “there are currently 392 active outbreaks of Covid-19 in the country, some 252 of which are related to social gatherings in private households. In one case an outbreak linked to a single pub-restaurant had resulted in 36 cases” he said. That’s from this Irish times article https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/crackdown-planned-on-house-parties-and-pubs-that-do-not-comply-with-covid-19-rules-1.4340576?mode=amp

The guidelines for factories have been clear but meat factories have been ignoring them and many were shut down by the government.

The gov are focused on house parties because if you actually look at the data you can see that is where most of the cases are coming from, not international travel.

I honestly don’t know how you could be wondering why our health care staff are catching it. Was that a typo?

TomTomTim · 28-08-2020 11:06AM

https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-reopening-in-ireland-5188678-Aug2020/#comments

Sale of alcohol should be restricted if we're facing another lockdown, Vintners' Federation says

Ridiculous suggestion, though I'm some of tyrants on here support it.

28-08-2020 11:18AM

hmmm wrote: »

Our hospitals are not empty, the numbers are going up. Most of us are doing our bit to try and reduce spread, the biggest risk to our economy now is the people who are not doing their bit. So it'd be good if people on here stopped lecturing people like me about the economy and how important it is, while they also boast about how they are out and about maskless and putting no effort into trying to restrict the spread of the virus.

Yeah... gonna need to go up a whole lot more before you could even consider the possibility that they will be overwhelmed.

Assetbacked · 28-08-2020 11:19AM

TomTomTim wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-reopening-in-ireland-5188678-Aug2020/#comments

Sale of alcohol should be restricted if we're facing another lockdown, Vintners' Federation says

Ridiculous suggestion, though I'm some of tyrants on here support it.

They think they are the gatekeepers to alcohol in the country and should be the only group able to sell it. I have sympathy for pubs being closed for 6 months for no obvious reason as they didn't contribute to more than a handful of cases but this is nonsense.

road_high · 28-08-2020 11:20AM

TomTomTim wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-reopening-in-ireland-5188678-Aug2020/#comments

Sale of alcohol should be restricted if we're facing another lockdown, Vintners' Federation says

Ridiculous suggestion, though I'm some of tyrants on here support it.

Wouldn't agree with banning sale but can appreicate where the publicans are coming from completely- why should they be nailed shut but yet you can buy cheap booze, have a house party with no social distancing etc?

stargazer 68 · 28-08-2020 11:27AM

road_high wrote: »

Wouldn't agree with banning sale but can appreicate where the publicans are coming from completely- why should they be nailed shut but yet you can buy cheap booze, have a house party with no social distancing etc?

Definitely see their point. However banning the sale is a ridiculous idea. 40 minutes to Sainsbury's and its sorted!

odyssey06 · 28-08-2020 11:29AM

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Definitely see their point. However banning the sale is a ridiculous idea. 40 minutes to Sainsbury's and its sorted!

People would be drinking the hand sanitiser...

Plus, the government needs the VAT and excise especially now.

Spiderman0081 · 28-08-2020 11:29AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jesus. I have been a supporter of the restrictions to this point, but listening to this, it is now getting farcical. NPHET and the government and journalists like Pat Kenny are losing the run of themselves and need to take a step back.

This is how I felt about people who were in support of the restrictions. Now you’ll have to answer to the terrified masses who think NPHET are all seeing all knowing beings.

MadYaker · 28-08-2020 11:31AM

Not sure why a knuckle dragger from the vintners association of all places feels he has anything of value to add to NPHETs advice. The human need for social interaction is causing clusters at house parties, not alcohol.

Diabhalta · 28-08-2020 11:46AM

How's the restricted life in Ireland? I'm still in Czech Republic enjoying the totally unrestricted life, sipping beer at noon by the water enjoying the summer breeze...

I am definitely not looking forward to go back to that nuthouse. What a shi**y place to be right now, absolute madness. It's not the virus causing this, it's the idiots in charge and those who follow them. Here's my message to them: stfu and gtfo.

Poorside · 28-08-2020 11:52AM

The Gardaí to get power to shut pubs in breach of the guidelines for the day, that's not open to corruption by our upstanding police force at all.

28-08-2020 11:54AM

MadYaker wrote: »

All these questions were answered by NPHET yesterday. I really get the impression that a lot of people in this thread just aren’t actually paying attention to what’s happening. From Dr John Cuddihy last night “there are currently 392 active outbreaks of Covid-19 in the country, some 252 of which are related to social gatherings in private households. In one case an outbreak linked to a single pub-restaurant had resulted in 36 cases” he said. That’s from this Irish times article https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/crackdown-planned-on-house-parties-and-pubs-that-do-not-comply-with-covid-19-rules-1.4340576?mode=amp

The guidelines for factories have been clear but meat factories have been ignoring them and many were shut down by the government.

The gov are focused on house parties because if you actually look at the data you can see that is where most of the cases are coming from, not international travel.

I honestly don’t know how you could be wondering why our health care staff are catching it. Was that a typo?

Is that really a surprise though?

They have asked people to cancel their holidays.
All big sporting and musical events are cancelled
Pubs are closed
They have asked people to stay at home.

Now they are annoyed that cases are popping up in peoples homes and want the Garda to have power to break up social gatherings...

What a time to be alive :rolleyes:

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings