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Angry men on the Internet.

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    #92
    Arghus
    Registered Users Posts: 14,355 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Nobody listens to them in real life - because who wants to listen to someone being angry all the time?

    So they go somewhere where they can say what they want and they'll either get a reaction or validation.


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    #93
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,975 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Arghus wrote: »
    Nobody listens to them in real life - because who wants to listen to someone being angry all the time?

    So they go somewhere where they can say what they want and they'll either get a reaction or validation.

    Yeah and that's true if that's what they're like in real life. But I also wouldn't dismiss the reasons for someone's anger without wanting to know what they are.

    Even those eejits in Charlotte marching withe tiki torches chanting "Jews will not replace us". I obviously have no interest in being hard on jews but I'd like to know what has made those bloke's think they're being "replaced".


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    #94
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users Posts: 11,173 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Re: angry men on the internet.

    The internet has given people a global platform to be as*holes.
    Because that's what most people are.... As*holes.


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    #95
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,299 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Re: angry men on the internet.

    The internet has given people a global platform to be as*holes.
    Because that's what most people are.... As*holes.

    I've gotten much more zen since I've decided people are just dumb animals like the rest of the dumb animals, we're not good or evil, we just do what we do.
    Makes it easier to deal with people doing ****ty things but takes away the safety net of believing people do horrible things because they possess some sort of magical evil quality. Had any of us grown up in Germany at the wrong time we could well have ended up as Nazis.
    A favourite song title I've come across is 'Ordinary people do ****ed-up things when ****ed-up things become ordinary'. The more people acting the asshole online the more it becomes normalised.

    /rant


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    #96
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Re: angry men on the internet.

    The internet has given people a global platform to be as*holes.
    Because that's what most people are.... As*holes.

    I agree with your observation, plenty of assholes out there.
    It's quite easy to turn it inside out on them, as they're usually thick people who have mammy or daddy issues, don't get enough sunlight and water etc

    Like a poinsettia they thrive in dark places and just explode in color now and again then revert back into themselves...


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    #97
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    ligerdub wrote: »
    Pretty much a meaningless "study" then. I can say with confidence that the outcomes were written first and then the "research" was done later too. It seems every other day there's a new narrative or "study" about men acting wrong about something. All Men Are Bastards....repeat ad nauseum.

    I have to laugh at some of this stuff. We'll get these little nuggets from highly politicised academic groups and people will swallow it whole. Every so often then we'll have some sort of trending message about mental health and then how men need to talk or express themselves more, because apparently men hold it all in.....or if they don't it's toxic masculinity. I don't know what it is men but "you're doing it wrong, you're being a man wrong".

    Is it any wonder why men might feel alienated or marginalised these days? I feel like on a daily basis there's some sort of reminder that being white, male and straight is akin to being some sort of derisory figure or oppressor or just being a wrong'un. People are sick of this crap and rightly so.

    Well, we know that men die by suicide at a much higher rate than women. And that's not a new phenomenon, it's long been observed. Isn't it a good thing to try and get to the bottom of that and attempt to save lives? Though I personally wouldn't use the term loaded, unhelpful term 'toxic masculinity'. You brought that up! :eek:


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    #98
    Skippyme
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭Skippyme


    It's very real unfortunately.

    It's like denying addictions, preventing comprehension but also keeps time standing in place. Check Pages # 1 # 7 & #11 https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058042337


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    #99
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    This 'angry men on the internet' narrative is just another case of losers trying to get what they want. Perfect example of it.

    God forbid anyone disagrees with you, if they do, they must be a white middle class fat bellied man.

    The irony of classifying ppl like that in this diverse accepting world.


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    #100
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    The aggression towards Greta is weird though.

    No problem with people questioning what she says, and disagreeing with the way she's being puppeted, and with the fawning over her (I pretty much subscribe to the above myself) but the abuse is bizarre. She's just a kid. How can adults speak that way to/about a kid?


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    #101
    completedit
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    This 'angry men on the internet' narrative is just another case of losers trying to get what they want. Perfect example of it.

    God forbid anyone disagrees with you, if you do, you must be a white middle class fat bellied man.

    The irony of classifying ppl like that in this diverse accepting world.

    Angry man on the internet = Anyone whose opinion isn't orthodox and perhaps isn't as perfectly developed and communicated it could be. What I notice is a lot of people want to deprive people of opinion and if you have a strong opinion you're just a lunatic. The only exception is if someone is respected enough and/or articulate enough that they can get away with expressing such views case in point Michael O Leary and his opposition to Green List.


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    #102
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    completedit wrote: »
    Angry man on the internet = Anyone whose opinion isn't orthodox and perhaps isn't as perfectly developed and communicated it could be.
    Well not always. Sometimes "you only call them angry/trolls because you disagree with them" can be as much of a shutting down tactic.

    To me, angry men on the internet just means literally angry men on the internet. I'll accept the right to express any opinion once it's done without abuse. The aggression online can be incredible - because of course they've the safety of not addressing people face to face. It's not just a man thing of course though, and it's certainly not just a conservative thing.


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    #103
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    Well not always. Sometimes "you only call them angry/trolls because you disagree with them" can be as much of a shutting down tactic.

    To me, angry men on the internet just means literally angry men on the internet. I'll accept the right to express any opinion once it's done without abuse. The aggression online can be incredible - because of course they've the safety of not addressing people face to face. It's not just a man thing of course though, and it's certainly not just a conservative thing.

    I think it's more about vilifying a demographic that doesn't agree with their opinions.

    Like: A great many people don't believe freedom of movement in the EU is a great idea. So, the ppl who are for it vilify those against it, call them names like a child, and caricature their opponents as big white fat tickos.

    I think the aggression online does not come majority wise from those white fat tickos, but the people who have overly liberal views, who won't be stopped because they are so bloody right. In their minds.


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    #104
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Arghus wrote: »
    Nobody listens to them in real life - because who wants to listen to someone being angry all the time?

    So they go somewhere where they can say what they want and they'll either get a reaction or validation.
    In real life they are not angry men.

    In real life they are overly sensitive and probably fragile men.

    Every bully was once a victim.


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    #105
    Skippyme
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭Skippyme


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Valerie Solanas would be right up your alley.

    It's not radical to not want to be airbrushed out or not wanting to be punished by exclusion or mockery. The idea is to censor men & force them to censor themselves as well from expressing themselves.

    When you tell a men to man up ... or dismiss or avoid them for reaching out then inside they die a little each time it occurs. Men routinely do this out of being conditioned by society to conform, judge & hold onto the way things are done. Gillette didn't help by making ad so clumsy & blatant because it can be more gradual & continuous.
    Men are much less likely to assist guys outside their family in cases where guys reach out kind of seeing them as a faulty or weak link, best move on attitude.
    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    In real life they are not angry men.

    In real life they are overly sensitive and probably fragile men.

    Every bully was once a victim.
    OVERLY sensitive is the kind of put down that harms men in general but especially if there are mental or emotional circumstances where we all need a friend


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    #106
    EmmetSpiceland
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    The “Current Affairs” forum is full of them. As is the “Radio” one. Just yesterday one poster actually said “woke cucktard agenda” in a thread about a radio sports show.

    Even in AH in a thread as innocuous as the “hottest women” one you get “submissions” being attacked because of the woman’s politics or lengthy “attacks” on how she acts or her personal life.

    It’s incredibly unnecessary, and yet these “angry” men get their moobs all a-jiggle over it. It’s the same “types” across the site. Sad incels who spend their day spiting hate online in between furious masturbation sessions watching extremely graphic hardcore pornography.

    Nasty business, nasty people.

    The tide is turning…



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    #107
    [Deleted User]
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    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    It’s incredibly unnecessary, and yet these “angry” men get their moobs all a-jiggle over it. It’s the same “types” across the site. Sad incels who spend their day spiting hate online in between furious masturbation sessions watching extremely graphic hardcore pornography

    You seem to have a disturbingly specific insight into the sexual habits of angry men online.


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    #108
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users Posts: 10,538 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You seem to have a disturbingly specific insight into the sexual habits of angry men online.

    It’s fairly well known what they “get up to”.

    The tide is turning…



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    #109
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,975 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Abuse of quotations marks me angry. And I'm a man on the internet.

    It could happen to anyone.


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    #110
    [Deleted User]
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    Arghus wrote: »
    Nobody listens to them in real life - because who wants to listen to someone being angry all the time?

    So they go somewhere where they can say what they want and they'll either get a reaction or validation.

    It's called equality. When women bitch online, it's fine but when men do it, they're angry? Yup.

    The other aspect is often posters will respond to others by telling them that they're angry, and so, over the next few posts, they'll repeatedly tell the person not to be angry. It's a technique to make people angry, and therefore lose control over the discussion.

    And lastly, there are a lot of angry people on the internet. It's a way to express yourself in ways that you probably wouldn't do in RL. Saying that though, the internet and social media has been part of peoples lives for so long, that's probably changed. In any case, I'd say there's so many angry people because they've been given a platform to express themselves freely. It also doesn't help that there is a lot to be angry about.
    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    In real life they are not angry men.

    In real life they are overly sensitive and probably fragile men.

    Every bully was once a victim.

    You're projecting.


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    #111
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,975 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's called equality. When women bitch online, it's fine but when men do it, they're angry? Yup.
    ...

    The rape threats and murder threats that get thrown around on the Internet, tend to be by men. I think men win the extreme end of the spectrum of anger.

    The likes of Gab and 4Chan and other extreme angry parts of the Internet also tend to be predominantly men. Is there a place comparable to 4Chan for angry women?


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    #112
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users Posts: 10,538 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Is there a place comparable to 4Chan for angry women?

    Mumsnet?

    The tide is turning…



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    #113
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    The rape threats and murder threats that get thrown around on the Internet, tend to be by men. I think men win the extreme end of the spectrum of anger.

    The abuse about all men being potential rapists, that fathers are unneeded, and that all men should just die? they tend to be by women. Sure, if you remove all the angry feminists/sjw from the equation, then men would "win the extreme end of the spectrum of anger".

    And, there are plenty of murder remarks, or outright horrible remarks on twitter by women. You're being awfully selective in what you want to include.
    The likes of Gab and 4Chan and other extreme angry parts of the Internet also tend to be predominantly men. Is there a place comparable to 4Chan for angry women?

    Twitter? Or any number of feminist forums?

    The difference is that men tend to be more interested in talking about politics, war, etc all of which are topics which raise emotions. Look at the posts on boards, and you'll see a certain difference in which (obviously) female and male posters contribute to.


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    #114
    Church on Tuesday
    Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    There's lots of angry people of both gender online. Men tend to be more naturally aggressive in any event and for good reason too. Those men who habitat the more darker recesses of the internet (always the minority btw) are mentally unwell in the first instance anyway.


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    #115
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Why are there so many angry men on the Internet, and what are they so angry about?

    I visited Twitter this morning and was struck, once again, about how angry and hostile a site it is. A case in point is this harmless retweet by Simon Harris.

    https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1268165151783563264

    You'd also see it here. Men lashing out at RTÉ presenters, female comedians, Greta Thunberg, social media influencers, poor people, rich people etc etc.

    Where is all this anger coming from? Are they not getting the ride or something? Or is the internet itself making them angry?

    Phil Hogan. Phil Hogan is the reason for my anger.


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    #116
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,975 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The abuse about all men being potential rapists, that fathers are unneeded, and that all men should just die? they tend to be by women. Sure, if you remove all the angry feminists/sjw from the equation, then men would "win the extreme end of the spectrum of anger".

    And, there are plenty of murder remarks, or outright horrible remarks on twitter by women. You're being awfully selective in what you want to include.



    Twitter? Or any number of feminist forums?

    The difference is that men tend to be more interested in talking about politics, war, etc all of which are topics which raise emotions. Look at the posts on boards, and you'll see a certain difference in which (obviously) female and male posters contribute to.

    As long as you're happy being the victim of all this stuff. I'll take your word for it that they exist. I wouldn't see that kind of thing as I wouldn't go looking for it.

    The likes of 4Chan and InCels become visible when some of them commit acts terrorism after posting about it in these forums. Maybe when Mumsnet users start acting on their posts, they'll come to equal attention. Until then I think men are winning the Angry on the Internet competition.


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    #117
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    I don't think there's a lot of angry men to be honest.
    A lot of guy's are just having banter and craic, they know that the internet is just a pile of words jumbled on a screen and they post a post and get on with their day.
    They don't take it seriously.
    Because they're opinions and comments, nothing more nothing less.

    If I was getting offended by people's opinions and comments on board's or other platforms I'd be having a good look at myself.
    And psychotherapy and counseling would be an option.

    I've had clashes with board's members and we got heated at times, but we still thank each others posts and agree on other topics.

    Myself and Iamamoran and others don't always agree but we don't dislike each other, I'm prone to being accused of virtue signaling and being a pot calling the kettle black now and again on different forums.
    I own my contradictions.

    **** it so what, I couldn't be arsed dismantling someone else's arguement and tying them up in knots.

    The most narcissistic response to people's posts is that good old "you ok"

    Thats the worst attempt for attention on board's.

    Those "you ok" ****ers aren't out for your welfare.
    They're basically trying to say, are you nuts, and it's a very condescending approach to a discussion.

    They're just bellends, and have no creativity and innovation where there's interesting discussion to be had.

    Never take people's opinions on twitter, board's and other places seriously.

    **** em, and don't be offended by my comments either.

    I'm just a mucker living in the Burren and post as much **** as everyone else here..


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    #118
    [Deleted User]
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    As long as you're happy being the victim of all this stuff. I'll take your word for it that they exist. I wouldn't see that kind of thing as I wouldn't go looking for it.

    Neither do I, but I'm aware that it exists.

    As for being a victim of any of this stuff, I'm not. Don't know why you decided to throw that in.
    The likes of 4Chan and InCels become visible when some of them commit acts terrorism after posting about it in these forums. Maybe when Mumsnet users start acting on their posts, they'll come to equal attention. Until then I think men are winning the Angry on the Internet competition.

    Fair enough, although I still feel you're being awfully selective in what you want to include.


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    #119
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    To claim men are on the receiving end of threats of sexual violence to the same extent as women are would be disingenuous.

    What's being referred to is a real thing. Of course it's not applicable to most men but it is a mostly male thing. Just like tearing apart beauty bloggers is mostly a female thing.

    If people are able to go on about Karen this and that, then they can surely acknowledge what the OP is talking about.


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    #120
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,975 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
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    Fair enough, although I still feel you're being awfully selective in what you want to include.

    Include all the incels who post in incels four a and all the women who post in equivalent angry women forums and then compare the number of terrorism acts they have committed where they act out the things they post about. I think it's just reality thats against you here.

    You wanted to compare twitter to 4Chan. Women are roughly half of Twitter (maybe slightly more) but nothing near half of 4Chan. I think that's evidence that you're pushing the boulder up a hill with that line of argument


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    #121
    [Deleted User]
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Include all the incels who post in incels four a and all the women who post in equivalent angry women forums and then compare the number of terrorism acts they have committed where they act out the things they post about. I think it's just reality thats against you here.

    You wanted to compare twitter to 4Chan. Women are roughly half of Twitter (maybe slightly more) but nothing hear half of 4Chan. I think that's evidence that you're pushing the boulder up a hill with that line of argument

    TBPH, I've no experience of 4Chan, nor of incels. Which suggests that they're not as common as you want to make them to be.

    In any case, you're stretching the points made. I made the points in relation to being angry, or expressing anger online. You're going off talking about terrorism, or acts committed.

    And I didn't want to compare twitter to 4Chan. I merely referred to the presence of women on twitter posting horrible messages, similar to the crap you said men were doing. As I said, you're being awfully selective. No surprise there TBH.


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