Angry men on the Internet.

El_Duderino 09

ligerdub wrote: »

Pretty much a meaningless "study" then. I can say with confidence that the outcomes were written first and then the "research" was done later too. It seems every other day there's a new narrative or "study" about men acting wrong about something. All Men Are Bastards....repeat ad nauseum.

I have to laugh at some of this stuff. We'll get these little nuggets from highly politicised academic groups and people will swallow it whole. Every so often then we'll have some sort of trending message about mental health and then how men need to talk or express themselves more, because apparently men hold it all in.....or if they don't it's toxic masculinity. I don't know what it is men but "you're doing it wrong, you're being a man wrong".

Is it any wonder why men might feel alienated or marginalised these days? I feel like on a daily basis there's some sort of reminder that being white, male and straight is akin to being some sort of derisory figure or oppressor or just being a wrong'un. People are sick of this crap and rightly so.

OK. Just remember that you brought up "toxic masculinity".

It's absolutely true 100% of the time that the term toxic masculinity is used mostly by people who don't believe in it. They pretend it's everywhere and always being thrown in men's faces. But the only ones I see actually bringing it up are those who are most opposed to its use. Ironic or what?

Aslo, how is that conclusion KiKi refers to equivalent to "all men are bastards"? I saw it as asking a group of people who exhibit a certain behaviour, why they exhibit that behaviour and reporting the answers.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Maybe back in the good old days wages for the low paid and unskilled were enough to raise a family in that time. But they're not enough anymore. That might contribute to the general risen in anger.

Depends on what you consider a standard of living, which is far higher now than before. Consider the quality of homes/life now compared to when a single waged janitor provided for their family. Although, much more people were in the same boat.

Nowadays someone unemployed will be well taken care of (relatively speaking).

Calhoun

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't really buy that. The shift is generational. If the shift happened suddenly, then these men were out of a job, I could see why they're mad. But if the shift happens slowly, they wouldn't know what they're missing.

I would say it's also slightly outdates as well, it's a complex subject but allot more women play games now so it's not a hobby totally dominated by one sex anymore. In the past you would have idiots gate keeping and putting pressure on women for that.

Today though allow the toxicity I would say comes from sexual frustration. There are guys who have no ****ing clue how to control themselves online.

It's not only guys btw in the gaming sense allot of toxic women as well but smaller number obvious due to the demographics.

You also see in gaming that they over inflate the toxicity as they are using it as a medium to insert certain political view points and when the fandom essentially pushed back and says stop trying to force feed us **** narratives to shoe horn political views they are accused of toxicity.

As you can see it's a fairly complex subject and a rabbit hole to go down.

mariaalice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Anger

This is actuley a good attempt at an explanation.

greenspurs

That is sexist !!!

Im outraged.... that's angrier than angry ……………

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Depends on what you consider a standard of living, which is far higher now than before. Consider the quality of homes/life now compared to when a single waged janitor provided for their family. Although, much more people were in the same boat.

Nowadays someone unemployed will be well taken care of (relatively speaking).

I challenge you to tell us how cleaners could buy themselves houses in Ireland today (leave raising a family until after you've explained the part about buying a house)

EmmetSpiceland

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why are there so many angry men on the Internet, and what are they so angry about?

I visited Twitter this morning and was struck, once again, about how angry and hostile a site it is. A case in point is this harmless retweet by Simon Harris.

You'd also see it here. Men lashing out at RTÉ presenters, female comedians, Greta Thunberg, social media influencers, poor people, rich people etc etc.

Where is all this anger coming from? Are they not getting the ride or something? Or is the internet itself making them angry?

I’d say that video games have a big part to “play” in it, J.

You get these guys who’s spent from their teen years to “adulthood” playing these games and reading comic books.

They’ve been playing the “action hero” all their life, and reading about “superheroes”, all while they sat on their holes doing nothing.

They see these fictional “characters” fighting crime, living the life and getting the girl. While all they get is their “hand” while watching hours, and hours, of aggressive, graphic hardcore pornography.

They are angry at everyone but themselves for the “situation” they find themselves in.

Their poor “diet”, and lack of fresh air, wouldn’t help much either.

jam_mac_jam

There are plenty of angry women too.

Twitter is just a sesspool. I think people online are just more abusive because the other person is not in front of them. They would never speak to someone like that in public.

Kind of like road rage. Can you imagine pedestrians getting that angry if someone cut them off or bumped into them.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I challenge you to tell us how cleaners could buy themselves houses in Ireland today (leave raising a family until after you've explained the part about buying a house)

I didn't say they could. The opposite.

jam_mac_jam

There are plenty of angry women too.

Twitter is just a sesspool. I think people online are just more abusive because the other person is not in front of them. They would never speak to someone like that in public.

Kind of like road rage. Can you imagine pedestrians getting that angry if someone cut them off or bumped into them.

Half of it could be down to the woke folk winding people up too..

EmmetSpiceland

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I’d say that video games have a big part to “play” in it, J.

You get these guys who’s spent from their teen years to “adulthood” playing these games and reading comic books.

They’ve been playing the “action hero” all their life and reading about “superheroes” all while they sat on their holes doing nothing.

They see these fictional “characters” fighting crime, living the life and getting the girl. While all they get is their “hand” while watching hours, and hours, of aggressive, graphic hardcore pornography.

They are angry at everyone but themselves for the “situation” they find themselves in.

Their poor “diet”, and lack of fresh air, wouldn’t help much either.

Such in depth knowledge, speaking from experience :pac::p

yop

Angry everybody, not just men.

El_Duderino 09

The number and % of people on in-work benefits has grown hugely in recent years. The % of people in work and in poverty has also grown.

Back in the 80s you were in work or you were out of work and on benefits. That's the prospect facing more and more men who, in the past, would have had a good shot at a stable job for life, wage growth and stable or growing workers rights.

I don't advocate for online abuse but I think it's fair to see the anger as a consequence of people seeing their prospects diminish.

The Raging Bile Duct

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I’d say that video games have a big part to “play” in it, J.

You get these guys who’s spent from their teen years to “adulthood” playing these games and reading comic books.

They’ve been playing the “action hero” all their life, and reading about “superheroes”, all while they sat on their holes doing nothing.

They see these fictional “characters” fighting crime, living the life and getting the girl. While all they get is their “hand” while watching hours, and hours, of aggressive, graphic hardcore pornography.

They are angry at everyone but themselves for the “situation” they find themselves in.

Their poor “diet”, and lack of fresh air, wouldn’t help much either.

That's horseshít of the highest order. The vast majority of people can play videogames without becoming reactionary virgin dickheads.

mariaalice

Social media has brought politicians closer, there was always resentment anger, at those who are perceived to be in power, or rich, or middle class or poor but now social media gives them another outlet.

In my unscientific opinion, its related to certain personality types, low empathy, and very controlling or tendencies to negativity, or it may be related to undiagnosed personality disorders or mental health issues.

Its also related to the sadistic desire to bully.

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I didn't say they could. The opposite.

Ah so you agreed with me?

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The number and % of people on in-work benefits has grown hugely in recent years. The % of people in work and in poverty has also grown.

Back in the 80s you were in work or you were out of work and on benefits. That's the prospect facing more and more men who, in the past, would have had a good shot at a stable job for life, wage growth and stable or growing workers rights.

I don't advocate for online abuse but I think it's fair to see the anger as a consequence of people seeing their prospects diminish.

Apart from the last few months we were at or practically at full employment and people weren't angels online. I very much dispute poverty has grown, there's an argument for relative poverty. For real poverty you're looking at the wrong country.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah so you agreed with me?

Yes, you we're not comparing like for like, which was my point.

The house the janitor could buy and what he could provide was far inferior.

The Raging Bile Duct

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

That's horseshít of the highest order. The vast majority of people can play videogames without becoming reactionary virgin dickheads.

That's quite the reaction ! :pac:

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don't advocate for online abuse but I think it's fair to see the anger as a consequence of people seeing their prospects diminish.

No real reason that should manifest online though, apart from benefits related forums..

Like, a lot of the time online you are speaking to people that are just pushing their point of view or ill thought out ideology..

There's no proper discussion..If you point out a flaw in their logic there's no "Oh, actually, you're right..".. It's just ignored and they carry on..

A certain amount of this can be put down to cognitive bias, but there is a lot that's just willful ignorance..

Dealing with that will make one angry..

Calhoun

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I’d say that video games have a big part to “play” in it, J.

You get these guys who’s spent from their teen years to “adulthood” playing these games and reading comic books.

They’ve been playing the “action hero” all their life, and reading about “superheroes”, all while they sat on their holes doing nothing.

They see these fictional “characters” fighting crime, living the life and getting the girl. While all they get is their “hand” while watching hours, and hours, of aggressive, graphic hardcore pornography.

They are angry at everyone but themselves for the “situation” they find themselves in.

Their poor “diet”, and lack of fresh air, wouldn’t help much either.

Ignorance comes in many forms, the gaming industry is as much apart of mainstream entertainment in 2020 as watching television. There is toxicity across all parts of life and forms of media and blaming it on one form of entertainment is a way out.

I would also think the likes of behavior that goes on around allot of sport including GAA from Ireland's perspective is toxic as ****.

Seamai

jimgoose wrote: »

Overly-tight jocks, that's what it is. Constant ball-ache drives 'em off their game. Invest in nice comfy boxers like Luke "Minge" Flanagan, or go commando.

Boxer's aren't the answer, they just bunch up and give no support. Besides they must be the unsexiest underwear known to man.

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Apart from the last few months we were at or practically at full employment and people weren't angels online. I very much dispute poverty has grown, there's an argument for relative poverty. For real poverty you're looking at the wrong country.

Read what I said again. I said that in-work poverty has grown. In the past work paid. Now it pays less and low wages are more likely to leave you in poverty. Usually when we're at full employment it means that wages and working conditions go up as employers have to complete for employees labour. That didn't happen this time (overall wages went up but this was driven by those on high wages increasing, not by low wages rising)

If we're asking why people are more angry then before I think it's pretty relevant to view poverty in the Irish context.

The Raging Bile Duct

Deleted User wrote: »

That's quite the reaction ! :pac:

It's the truth. I've lived through god knows how many different moral panics in relation to entertainment media over the years and it's all nonsense. Video nasties and heavy metal in the eighties, video games, rap music... a sociopath is going to be a sociopath no matter what - the choice of music or the video games are not the problem.

5555555555

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why are there so many angry men on the Internet, and what are they so angry about?

I visited Twitter this morning and was struck, once again, about how angry and hostile a site it is. A case in point is this harmless retweet by Simon Harris.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1268165151783563264

You'd also see it here. Men lashing out at RTÉ presenters, female comedians, Greta Thunberg, social media influencers, poor people, rich people etc etc.

Where is all this anger coming from? Are they not getting the ride or something? Or is the internet itself making them angry?

Thanks Karen

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, you we're not comparing like for like, which was my point.

The house the janitor could buy and what he could provide was far inferior.

But it was the house that was available at the time and was far superior to house that would have been available in

It's like with like because it was available at the time. But now a cleaner's wages won't buy a house. So its like with like in the ways that actually matter. Low wages won't allow you to buy a house or raise a family. Low wages mean you'll probably need benefits to pay rent and raise a family. That's the salient point

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If we're asking why people are more angry then before I think it's pretty relevant to view poverty in the Irish context.

Absolutely is, and may be the reason why people are angry.

But, I've not much time for it. People are far better off now, even those on social welfare - compare them to previous generations.

The problem is that they have higher expectations. That may lead to anger.

jimgoose

Seamai wrote: »

Boxer's aren't the answer, they just bunch up and give no support. Besides they must be the unsexiest underwear known to man.

Depends who's wearing them, sweetie.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

But it was the house that was available at the time and was far superior to house that would have been available in

It's like with like because it was available at the time. But now a cleaner's wages won't buy a house. So its like with like in the ways that actually matter. Low wages won't allow you to buy a house or raise a family. Low wages mean you'll probably need benefits to pay rent and raise a family. That's the salient point

And even the SW housing now is better than the starter house purchased back in the day. Actually, I'd say most janitors were in SW housing back in the day. What house was a janitor buying outright back in the day?