Angry men on the Internet.

JohnnyFlash

Why are there so many angry men on the Internet, and what are they so angry about?

I visited Twitter this morning and was struck, once again, about how angry and hostile a site it is. A case in point is this harmless retweet by Simon Harris.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1268165151783563264

You'd also see it here. Men lashing out at RTÉ presenters, female comedians, Greta Thunberg, social media influencers, poor people, rich people etc etc.

Where is all this anger coming from? Are they not getting the ride or something? Or is the internet itself making them angry?

Seamai

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why are there so many angry men on the Internet, and what are they so angry about?

I visited Twitter this morning and was struck, once again, about how angry and hostile a site it is. A case in point is this harmless retweet by Simon Harris.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1268165151783563264

You'd also see it here. Men lashing out at RTÉ presenters, female comedians, Greta Thunberg, social media influencers, poor people, rich people etc etc.

Where is all this anger coming from? Are they not getting the ride or something? Or is the internet itself making them angry?

Whatever about the rest on the list, social media influencers are fair game.

Plumbthedepths

Are you angry about these other angry men OP?

JohnnyFlash

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Are you angry about these other angry men OP?

Not at all. I’m just curious about what makes them so furious.

cj maxx

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Not at all. I’m just curious about what makes them so furious.

503's on boards.ie would be my guess

Plumbthedepths

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Not at all. I’m just curious about what makes them so furious.

So now they are not just angry but are extremely angry, I think you are projecting tbh. Anyway have fun, way to nice a day to be ranting on the net.

neris

Rte presenters (especially the overpaid ones like joe duffy & ray darcy) & social media influencers deserve all the abuse they get

intellectual dosser

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong post from the GAA but in the responses I see a couple of men, a couple of women, and then some 'non-person' accounts.

Its the 'non-person' accounts that make me cringe. Happy to spew bile on social media but can't put your name over it. Pathetic.

andekwarhola

Emotional, sexual and societal impotence.

Whereisgalway

Angry internet men always ride me better

gormdubhgorm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why are there so many angry men on the Internet, and what are they so angry about?

I visited Twitter this morning and was struck, once again, about how angry and hostile a site it is. A case in point is this harmless retweet by Simon Harris.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1268165151783563264

You'd also see it here. Men lashing out at RTÉ presenters, female comedians, Greta Thunberg, social media influencers, poor people, rich people etc etc.

Where is all this anger coming from? Are they not getting the ride or something? Or is the internet itself making them angry?

How do you know they are all men?

https://www.facebook.com/ROSAwomen2014/videos/560456394480989/

is_that_so

Anger is an equal opportunity employer!

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!

How interesting! Do you work for the Indo.

Do continue, please!

Notmything

8 replies to the tweet, all negative/abusive.

More sad than angry little men.

I can't make head nor tail of it either, OP. Thankfully we don't have easy access to guns like the Yanks.

You called?

Montage of Feck

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Are you angry about these other angry men OP?

Are you angry that the op is angry at other angry men?

KiKi III

There was a study done on men who troll people on a particular video game, I’ll try and find it.

It found that as women and minorities have gained more of a foothold in the business and political worlds, white men of average intelligence and ability feel displaced. In previous generations, even average white guys could expect respectable jobs and a reasonable living but as the competition has increased that hasn’t necessarily been the case.

So they vent their ire online.

And of course, there are women who do this too, but the study related specifically to men I think.

Montage of Feck

cj maxx wrote: »

503's on boards.ie would be my guess

Baggy jeans are manky alright. Much prefer 511's.

KiKi III

KiKi III wrote: »

There was a study done on men who troll people on a particular video game, I’ll try and find it.

It found that as women and minorities have gained more of a foothold in the business and political worlds, white men of average intelligence and ability feel displaced. In previous generations, even average white guys could expect respectable jobs and a reasonable living but as the competition has increased that hasn’t necessarily been the case.

So they vent their ire online.

And of course, there are women who do this too, but the study related specifically to men I think.

I don't really buy that. The shift is generational. If the shift happened suddenly, then these men were out of a job, I could see why they're mad. But if the shift happens slowly, they wouldn't know what they're missing.

jimgoose

Overly-tight jocks, that's what it is. Constant ball-ache drives 'em off their game. Invest in nice comfy boxers like Luke "Minge" Flanagan, or go commando.

Feisar

KiKi III wrote: »

There was a study done on men who troll people on a particular video game, I’ll try and find it.

It found that as women and minorities have gained more of a foothold in the business and political worlds, white men of average intelligence and ability feel displaced. In previous generations, even average white guys could expect respectable jobs and a reasonable living but as the competition has increased that hasn’t necessarily been the case.

So they vent their ire online.

And of course, there are women who do this too, but the study related specifically to men I think.

Probably the Call of Duty franchise or similar, I've read about males of all ages being really nasty to women.

Think about all the incels in the world. In a previous generation they'd have been married.

Frightening to thing about.

gormdubhgorm

Notmything wrote: »

8 replies to the tweet, all negative/abusive.

More sad than angry little men.

That is not true either it is just your own biases simple as.
But if there were not such biases and opinions boards.ie would not function. Lots of mods would be aimlessly trying to fill thier day. As there would be no need for mods because everyone will be agreeing with each other and it would be a mere echo chamber.

This post is bullsh*t..

F*ck you Johnnyflash with your stupid green avatar and your articles about Simon Harris..

ligerdub

KiKi III wrote: »

There was a study done on men who troll people on a particular video game, I’ll try and find it.

It found that as women and minorities have gained more of a foothold in the business and political worlds, white men of average intelligence and ability feel displaced. In previous generations, even average white guys could expect respectable jobs and a reasonable living but as the competition has increased that hasn’t necessarily been the case.

So they vent their ire online.

And of course, there are women who do this too, but the study related specifically to men I think.

Pretty much a meaningless "study" then. I can say with confidence that the outcomes were written first and then the "research" was done later too. It seems every other day there's a new narrative or "study" about men acting wrong about something. All Men Are Bastards....repeat ad nauseum.

I have to laugh at some of this stuff. We'll get these little nuggets from highly politicised academic groups and people will swallow it whole. Every so often then we'll have some sort of trending message about mental health and then how men need to talk or express themselves more, because apparently men hold it all in.....or if they don't it's toxic masculinity. I don't know what it is men but "you're doing it wrong, you're being a man wrong".

Is it any wonder why men might feel alienated or marginalised these days? I feel like on a daily basis there's some sort of reminder that being white, male and straight is akin to being some sort of derisory figure or oppressor or just being a wrong'un. People are sick of this crap and rightly so.

KiKi III

KiKi III wrote: »

There was a study done on men who troll people on a particular video game, I’ll try and find it.

It found that as women and minorities have gained more of a foothold in the business and political worlds, white men of average intelligence and ability feel displaced. In previous generations, even average white guys could expect respectable jobs and a reasonable living but as the competition has increased that hasn’t necessarily been the case.

So they vent their ire online.

And of course, there are women who do this too, but the study related specifically to men I think.

Non controversial survey results don't get any attention. After all the hard work, surveys tend to show something newsworthy.

Calhoun

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why are there so many angry men on the Internet, and what are they so angry about?

I visited Twitter this morning and was struck, once again, about how angry and hostile a site it is. A case in point is this harmless retweet by Simon Harris.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1268165151783563264

You'd also see it here. Men lashing out at RTÉ presenters, female comedians, Greta Thunberg, social media influencers, poor people, rich people etc etc.

Where is all this anger coming from? Are they not getting the ride or something? Or is the internet itself making them angry?

Simon Harris and most of FG are always targets for negative tweets because people don't like them, I assume people think it's a form of holding them to account (I doubt they react to anything), and finally because of the state in which they left their briefs. Simon for example and FG have essentially abandoned special needs healthcare over the past ten years (not saying it's right i just see it each time they post.)

The other side of it then that both men and women get caught up in online echo chambers that reenforce this kind of toxic response for likes amongst their own cohort. I seen a study a year or so back which showed the bubbles that people on social media put themselves into and only engage with other perspectives attacking.

So yah there are allot of angry and toxic people on the internet allot happen to be men but it's not limited to them.

ligerdub

ligerdub wrote: »

Pretty much a meaningless "study" then. I can say with confidence that the outcomes were written first and then the "research" was done later too. It seems every other day there's a new narrative or "study" about men acting wrong about something. All Men Are Bastards....repeat ad nauseum.

I have to laugh at some of this stuff. We'll get these little nuggets from highly politicised academic groups and people will swallow it whole. Every so often then we'll have some sort of trending message about mental health and then how men need to talk or express themselves more, because apparently men hold it all in.....or if they don't it's toxic masculinity. I don't know what it is men but "you're doing it wrong, you're being a man wrong".

Is it any wonder why men might feel alienated or marginalised these days? I feel like on a daily basis there's some sort of reminder that being white, male and straight is akin to being some sort of derisory figure or oppressor or just being a wrong'un. People are sick of this crap and rightly so.

Well stats of suicide say men definitely should be expressing themselves more. That aspect of masculinity is certainly toxic if it results in death disproportionately.

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't really buy that. The shift is generational. If the shift happened suddenly, then these men were out of a job, I could see why they're mad. But if the shift happens slowly, they wouldn't know what they're missing.

Yeah but they can see the older generations where average guys had better prospects.

It must be more than simple competition. Workers rights have been eroded too. Back in the day the average guy had job security and wage growth. Now there are zero hour contracts and the gig economy (being an employee without holiday or sick pay) increased competition from women and automation.

I always remner Bill O'Reily on fox news doing a bit about how much better the old days were. He talked about how his grand/father was a janitor in one place all his life and he bought a house and raised his family on that one wage. But then whenever discussing the topic of increasing the wages for low paid workers, he would always oppose it completely.

Maybe back in the good old days wages for the low paid and unskilled were enough to raise a family in that time. But they're not enough anymore. That might contribute to the general risen in anger.

ligerdub

ligerdub wrote: »

Is it any wonder why men might feel alienated or marginalised these days? I feel like on a daily basis there's some sort of reminder that being white, male and straight is akin to being some sort of derisory figure or oppressor or just being a wrong'un.

You are obligated to renounce this privilege that was forced upon you, but which you've certainly exploited. Bad, bad person.

BTW, add in milddle class and professional for the full house :pac:

SWMMP

El_Duderino 09

ligerdub wrote: »

Pretty much a meaningless "study" then. I can say with confidence that the outcomes were written first and then the "research" was done later too. It seems every other day there's a new narrative or "study" about men acting wrong about something. All Men Are Bastards....repeat ad nauseum.

I have to laugh at some of this stuff. We'll get these little nuggets from highly politicised academic groups and people will swallow it whole. Every so often then we'll have some sort of trending message about mental health and then how men need to talk or express themselves more, because apparently men hold it all in.....or if they don't it's toxic masculinity. I don't know what it is men but "you're doing it wrong, you're being a man wrong".

Is it any wonder why men might feel alienated or marginalised these days? I feel like on a daily basis there's some sort of reminder that being white, male and straight is akin to being some sort of derisory figure or oppressor or just being a wrong'un. People are sick of this crap and rightly so.

OK. Just remember that you brought up "toxic masculinity".

It's absolutely true 100% of the time that the term toxic masculinity is used mostly by people who don't believe in it. They pretend it's everywhere and always being thrown in men's faces. But the only ones I see actually bringing it up are those who are most opposed to its use. Ironic or what?

Aslo, how is that conclusion KiKi refers to equivalent to "all men are bastards"? I saw it as asking a group of people who exhibit a certain behaviour, why they exhibit that behaviour and reporting the answers.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Maybe back in the good old days wages for the low paid and unskilled were enough to raise a family in that time. But they're not enough anymore. That might contribute to the general risen in anger.

Depends on what you consider a standard of living, which is far higher now than before. Consider the quality of homes/life now compared to when a single waged janitor provided for their family. Although, much more people were in the same boat.

Nowadays someone unemployed will be well taken care of (relatively speaking).

Calhoun

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't really buy that. The shift is generational. If the shift happened suddenly, then these men were out of a job, I could see why they're mad. But if the shift happens slowly, they wouldn't know what they're missing.

I would say it's also slightly outdates as well, it's a complex subject but allot more women play games now so it's not a hobby totally dominated by one sex anymore. In the past you would have idiots gate keeping and putting pressure on women for that.

Today though allow the toxicity I would say comes from sexual frustration. There are guys who have no ****ing clue how to control themselves online.

It's not only guys btw in the gaming sense allot of toxic women as well but smaller number obvious due to the demographics.

You also see in gaming that they over inflate the toxicity as they are using it as a medium to insert certain political view points and when the fandom essentially pushed back and says stop trying to force feed us **** narratives to shoe horn political views they are accused of toxicity.

As you can see it's a fairly complex subject and a rabbit hole to go down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Anger

This is actuley a good attempt at an explanation.

greenspurs

That is sexist !!!

Im outraged.... that's angrier than angry ……………

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Depends on what you consider a standard of living, which is far higher now than before. Consider the quality of homes/life now compared to when a single waged janitor provided for their family. Although, much more people were in the same boat.

Nowadays someone unemployed will be well taken care of (relatively speaking).

I challenge you to tell us how cleaners could buy themselves houses in Ireland today (leave raising a family until after you've explained the part about buying a house)

EmmetSpiceland

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why are there so many angry men on the Internet, and what are they so angry about?

I visited Twitter this morning and was struck, once again, about how angry and hostile a site it is. A case in point is this harmless retweet by Simon Harris.

You'd also see it here. Men lashing out at RTÉ presenters, female comedians, Greta Thunberg, social media influencers, poor people, rich people etc etc.

Where is all this anger coming from? Are they not getting the ride or something? Or is the internet itself making them angry?

I’d say that video games have a big part to “play” in it, J.

You get these guys who’s spent from their teen years to “adulthood” playing these games and reading comic books.

They’ve been playing the “action hero” all their life, and reading about “superheroes”, all while they sat on their holes doing nothing.

They see these fictional “characters” fighting crime, living the life and getting the girl. While all they get is their “hand” while watching hours, and hours, of aggressive, graphic hardcore pornography.

They are angry at everyone but themselves for the “situation” they find themselves in.

Their poor “diet”, and lack of fresh air, wouldn’t help much either.

jam_mac_jam

There are plenty of angry women too.

Twitter is just a sesspool. I think people online are just more abusive because the other person is not in front of them. They would never speak to someone like that in public.

Kind of like road rage. Can you imagine pedestrians getting that angry if someone cut them off or bumped into them.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I challenge you to tell us how cleaners could buy themselves houses in Ireland today (leave raising a family until after you've explained the part about buying a house)

I didn't say they could. The opposite.

jam_mac_jam

There are plenty of angry women too.

Twitter is just a sesspool. I think people online are just more abusive because the other person is not in front of them. They would never speak to someone like that in public.

Kind of like road rage. Can you imagine pedestrians getting that angry if someone cut them off or bumped into them.

Half of it could be down to the woke folk winding people up too..

EmmetSpiceland

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I’d say that video games have a big part to “play” in it, J.

You get these guys who’s spent from their teen years to “adulthood” playing these games and reading comic books.

They’ve been playing the “action hero” all their life and reading about “superheroes” all while they sat on their holes doing nothing.

They see these fictional “characters” fighting crime, living the life and getting the girl. While all they get is their “hand” while watching hours, and hours, of aggressive, graphic hardcore pornography.

They are angry at everyone but themselves for the “situation” they find themselves in.

Their poor “diet”, and lack of fresh air, wouldn’t help much either.

Such in depth knowledge, speaking from experience :pac::p

yop

Angry everybody, not just men.

El_Duderino 09

The number and % of people on in-work benefits has grown hugely in recent years. The % of people in work and in poverty has also grown.

Back in the 80s you were in work or you were out of work and on benefits. That's the prospect facing more and more men who, in the past, would have had a good shot at a stable job for life, wage growth and stable or growing workers rights.

I don't advocate for online abuse but I think it's fair to see the anger as a consequence of people seeing their prospects diminish.

The Raging Bile Duct

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I’d say that video games have a big part to “play” in it, J.

You get these guys who’s spent from their teen years to “adulthood” playing these games and reading comic books.

They’ve been playing the “action hero” all their life, and reading about “superheroes”, all while they sat on their holes doing nothing.

They see these fictional “characters” fighting crime, living the life and getting the girl. While all they get is their “hand” while watching hours, and hours, of aggressive, graphic hardcore pornography.

They are angry at everyone but themselves for the “situation” they find themselves in.

Their poor “diet”, and lack of fresh air, wouldn’t help much either.

That's horseshít of the highest order. The vast majority of people can play videogames without becoming reactionary virgin dickheads.

Social media has brought politicians closer, there was always resentment anger, at those who are perceived to be in power, or rich, or middle class or poor but now social media gives them another outlet.

In my unscientific opinion, its related to certain personality types, low empathy, and very controlling or tendencies to negativity, or it may be related to undiagnosed personality disorders or mental health issues.

Its also related to the sadistic desire to bully.

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I didn't say they could. The opposite.

Ah so you agreed with me?

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The number and % of people on in-work benefits has grown hugely in recent years. The % of people in work and in poverty has also grown.

Back in the 80s you were in work or you were out of work and on benefits. That's the prospect facing more and more men who, in the past, would have had a good shot at a stable job for life, wage growth and stable or growing workers rights.

I don't advocate for online abuse but I think it's fair to see the anger as a consequence of people seeing their prospects diminish.

Apart from the last few months we were at or practically at full employment and people weren't angels online. I very much dispute poverty has grown, there's an argument for relative poverty. For real poverty you're looking at the wrong country.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah so you agreed with me?

Yes, you we're not comparing like for like, which was my point.

The house the janitor could buy and what he could provide was far inferior.

The Raging Bile Duct

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

That's horseshít of the highest order. The vast majority of people can play videogames without becoming reactionary virgin dickheads.

That's quite the reaction ! :pac: