How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

meeeeh wrote: »

You demanded list of independent scientists who said that Irish school reopening is safe. I said that you could list the ones who said it's not. Your reply was the world over..

I replied that the onus is on you to provide scientific proof that being in large groups with no social distancing indoors is safe when every country the world over (even Ireland except for in certain magical exceptions) is saying it isn't

OH GOD. this is looking like a fight, but qui bono? Kids or what.

"Controlling community level transmission is the key to keeping schools open, says one top Irish doctor.

Dr Mike Ryan, WHO Emergencies Executive Director, explained that although children rarely suffer from the disease they can still pass it on.

He said: "Thankfully the vast majority of children don't suffer a very severe illness but that doesn't mean that they can't participate in the process of transmission.

"The disease may pass through children; it may find a child then that's less immune or has some compromise and could cause a more severe infection,

"Or it can also be brought home to vulnerable grandparents or others."

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/top-irish-doctor-says-containing-22472223

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Some would call that institutionalised..

Well the meds are helping:D

Nah I just liked uni and it would be if they were in the same area but they are nice and varied.

I saw a Danny Kaye quote when I was in my early teens and have kinda tried to do it. Haven't finished yet but it is the kids turns next before I go back.

meeeeh wrote: »

Sorry can't see it.

Ah well, it will give you something to be indignant about.

khalessi wrote: »

Life is like a canvas and you have to throw as much paint at it as possible.

Hit a chord and has stayed with me. Have worked on film sets and in circuses amongst other things because of it

Love it strikes a cord with how I've tried many many different courses and career choices over the years.

irishblessing wrote: »

What in the f-k is our excuse. We're not innovators here that's for sure.

Inertia from the Dept, to teachers to Unions....plain old simple inertia.

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Funny that. I've been at home over the holidays alright, haven't had a day off outside of bank holidays since February but not a penny of my salary came from the state.

And the 1m distancing was a banner of convenience/sop to economic concerns, even 2.5m is well within transmissible distance.

Yes, you know better than the WHO.

markodaly wrote: »

It is actually 1 metres.



https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Some of the nonsense posted here by our Educators is depressing.

And yes, many parents want to get the economy back up and running, as their livelihoods depend on it. Not everyone is sitting at home over the summer holidays on full pay from the state.

Don't know how you could blame teachers for the lack of planning, lack of direction, and ultimately the mistake of investing in re-opening schools that will stay opened for at most 6 weeks but more than likely 3-4 weeks.

The government has put all its eggs in the vaccine basket instead of investing in online facilties and courses. Maybe they will be proven right if a safe vaccine is found within the next 6 months to a year.

But one thing that is pretty much a fact, a certainty is that if schools reopen as they're planning to do so, they will all be forced to close again well before Halloween, and the country will be going into a wider lockdown. It is so obvious that it makes me wonder if the government are reopening schools just to make parents like you happy for a few weeks, and when the widespread outbreak happens by the end of September, they can say they tried, and you have enjoyed your few weeks of normality, but your kids, and their school still won't have the facilities or platform to deliver a decent online substitute for classroom education.

kowloonkev wrote: »

Don't know how you could blame teachers for the lack of planning, lack of direction, and ultimately the mistake of investing in re-opening schools that will stay opened for at most 6 weeks but more than likely 3-4 weeks.

Where are you getting that prediction from? A gut feeling from a previously held belief?

The government has put all its eggs in the vaccine basket instead of investing in online facilties and courses. Maybe they will be proven right if a safe vaccine is found within the next 6 months to a year.

The Irish government is not developing its own Vaccine, so how can it put its eggs into that basket?

Online and remote learning can of course be something be developed and fleshed out, but and it is a big BUT... anytime any changes to teaching methods or the curriculum is mentioned, the ASTI and TUI are always very very quick to rubbish the idea. The Unions like to think they are actually in charge some of the times and stick their oar in far too many times, this leads to deadlock and inertia, not much changes then because battle lines are drawn. Sure, we all saw the big deal about the new JC marking arrangements...
Teachers HATE change. Full Stop!

Anyway, pure online and remote learning is a no-no. I have already posted a link from the Bookings Institute showing the marked decline in reading and math for students in the lower socio-economic strata of society. Another year of 'remote' learning you may as well consign a generation of these children to a life of more poverty, crime and inequality, but someone please think about the teachers!!

But one thing that is pretty much a fact, a certainty is that if schools reopen as they're planning to do so, they will all be forced to close again well before Halloween, and the country will be going into a wider lockdown. It is so obvious that it makes me wonder if the government are reopening schools just to make parents like you happy for a few weeks, and when the widespread outbreak happens by the end of September, they can say they tried, and you have enjoyed your few weeks of normality, but your kids, and their school still won't have the facilities or platform to deliver a decent online substitute for classroom education.

It is not a fact, it is mere speculation. You do not know if this will happen or not.

In my opinion, nation-wide, schools are not going to close again, nor should they. If there is a cluster, in A school, that school will close. If a city or county has a large uptick in cases, that warrents a complete lockdown, the county/town/city schools may close, but that will be it.

This is established best practice elsewhere, and it will be here. Ireland is not special, teachers in Ireland are certainly not special. Just get back to work, do your job to the best of your ability and leave the scaremongering to people in the media and Joe Duffy.

khalessi wrote: »

And yet you keep coming back. You have a chip on your shoulder about teaching and use this thread to express it. We could explain the pay thing to you but I dont think you care or would understand it and if you have seen the news, teachers have not been sitting back over the summer.

I don't like people posting falsehoods under some moral or appeal to authority.
If Teachers and Educators posting untruths and incorrect facts on this thread doesn't bother you, maybe it should.

Why do you give these people a free pass, when they post incorrect facts?