How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

bettyoleary

froog wrote: »

who's turning on teachers? if you read back a page or two you'll see i was standing up for them and criticizing the government plan.

getting hysterical and seeing everyone as an enemy like that will not do teachers any favours by the way.

Again turning on each other now. Anyone that expresses concern is hysterical. Easy way out. Im not hysterical at all, im calmly looking at the way things are. We know covid spreads throughout schools, look at Berlin. We know we are putting our teachers at risk. We know its for political gain that schools havent been given guidance and its a **** show opening up ???? Now im sitting with my feet up and toes curling. Im really relaxed and looking forward to champs league match. Just pointing out the obvious.

bettyoleary

bettyoleary wrote: »

Again turning on each other now. Anyone that expresses concern is hysterical. Easy way out. Im not hysterical at all, im calmly looking at the way things are. We know covid spreads throughout schools, look at Berlin. We know we are putting our teachers at risk. We know its for political gain that schools havent been given guidance and its a **** show opening up ???? Now im sitting with my feet up and toes curling. Im really relaxed and looking forward to champs league match. Just pointing out the obvious.

But also ill never stop sticking up for our teachers.

Sunday Sunday

bettyoleary wrote: »

But also ill never stop sticking up for our teachers.

You realise you are replying to yourself?

meeeeh

s1ippy wrote: »

I dunno who the fuck you think you are calling me a "gobshyte" and "moronuc". bahaha

Well my second language spelling is not as good as my first language spelling and I had keypad set to wrong language. But I bet your experience of speaking two (or 4) languages is probably about as good as your knowledge of epidemiology.

So yeah moronic and gob****e it is...

irishblessing

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

I'm afraid if they aren't deemed 'very high risk' then it comes down to making a personal decision to either take the risk and send them to school or home school.

Homeschooling in non 'very high risk' cases will be the same as its always been in Ireland and won't involve the school at all.

No provision for support unless very high risk, which on reading recent posts its going to be difficult to have anyone deemed as 'very high risk'.

Shocking really.

Shocking indeed. Especially considering if a blended learning approach was implemented (rotating schedules) it could be the best of both worlds whilst reducing class sizes for everyone.

Where is the forward thinking that other first world nations enjoy in their local leadership, that our income taxes don't allow for us? :mad:

irishblessing

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Did the details of the plan only come to your attention recently?

This whole thing is similar to stages of grief, you seem to be between stage 1 and 2 denial and anger.

Most others appear to have moved on and are now between stage 4 and 5 depression and acceptance.

Acceptance doesn't equal agreement.

You know what, as people process this information and together with the very recently released plans from individual schools, being between stage 1 and 2 of denial and anger isn't misplaced.

irishblessing

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Both myself and my partner are teachers. If we go on strike, are you going to pay our mortgage?

I think you are from the government - because the only group that would benefit from teachers striking right now is the government. How convenient that would be - they get the schools closed, but it can never be said they had to go back on their horrendous plans and they don't have to pay the teachers either so loadsa money to spend on Deliveroos out to the Convention Centre.

Do you think a strike would last more than a week or two?

I'm not sure I follow with the rest. It would be said the reason for the strike is their horrendous plans and would have to go back to the drawing board. Wait, did I say back to? I mean start there in the first place.
The strike wouldn't last long, for optics sake, the economy's sake, and the public/parent's who would have collective coronary's if they dragged it out. To be clear, as a parent, I would be with the teacher's demands who also have our kids' best interest in mind. Unlike those clowns.

irishblessing

Elliejo wrote: »

I'm beginning to think he is the owner of a placard making company, hopeful of the business of making "Strike On Here" signs!!

The downfall here will not be working together with the public who care and collaborating with the parents.

meeeeh

irishblessing wrote: »

The downfall here will not be working together with the public who care and collaborating with the parents.

You know maybe those of us who are looking for some sort of normality to return care too. We are just aware that you can't put permanent pause on society and that kids and especially disadvantaged kids will be severely affected. Cancer society in UK is estimating up to 30k extra cancer deaths due to back log because of Covid. Some are so preoccupied with Covid that they forget all the other severely negative effects closing the country has. How much of a developmental price should your kids pay just because you are afraid?

irishblessing

meeeeh wrote: »

You know maybe those of us who are looking for some sort of normality to return care too. We are just aware that you can't put permanent pause on society and that kids and especially disadvantaged kids will be severely affected. Cancer society in UK is estimating up to 30k extra cancer deaths due to back log because of Covid. Some are so preoccupied with Covid that they forget all the other severely negative effects closing the country has. How much of a developmental price should your kids pay just because you are afraid?

You can't return to normality. We're in the midst of a global pandemic, maybe you've heard? No one is saying permanent pause. Just smarter, proven solutions. As has been repeated ad nauseam a thousand times now and all over the internet and radio. Did it ever occur to you if we opened the schools safely instead of causing more clusters and outbreaks then we could treat those cancer cases more effectively? FFS I can't even believe this is still needing to be pointed out. It has nothing to do with fear. It's science & case studies, and we can take these examples from other countries around the world as examples or blindly ignore them. Clearly you're in the latter camp which actually disadvantages those cancer cases you highlighted. Well done. :rolleyes:

meeeeh

irishblessing wrote: »

You can't return to normality. We're in the midst of a global pandemic, maybe you've heard? No one is saying permanent pause. Just smarter, proven solutions. As has been repeated ad nauseam a thousand times now and all over the internet and radio. Did it ever occur to you if we opened the schools safely instead of causing more clusters and outbreaks then we could treat those cancer cases more effectively? FFS I can't even believe this is still needing to be pointed out. It has nothing to do with fear. It's science & case studies, and we can take these examples from other countries around the world as examples or blindly ignore them. Clearly you're in the latter camp which actually disadvantages those cancer cases you highlighted. Well done. :rolleyes:

You are getting a bit excited there. Actually I very much follow the data and the advice. Don't overvalue your own opinion and assume I'm ignorant just because I have different opinion. I'm not an expert but I saw enough expert opinions recommending schools back an followed in another country how they did to believe that it is relatively safe and preferable to kids staying at home.

i_surge

irishblessing wrote: »

You know what, as people process this information and together with the very recently released plans from individual schools, being between stage 1 and 2 of denial and anger isn't misplaced.

And..... acceptance is tragically ludicrous.

i_surge

irishblessing wrote: »

You can't return to normality. We're in the midst of a global pandemic, maybe you've heard? No one is saying permanent pause. Just smarter, proven solutions. As has been repeated ad nauseam a thousand times now and all over the internet and radio. Did it ever occur to you if we opened the schools safely instead of causing more clusters and outbreaks then we could treat those cancer cases more effectively? FFS I can't even believe this is still needing to be pointed out. It has nothing to do with fear. It's science & case studies, and we can take these examples from other countries around the world as examples or blindly ignore them. Clearly you're in the latter camp which actually disadvantages those cancer cases you highlighted. Well done. :rolleyes:

There is a complete lack of anything holistic or vaguely sensible in the approach.

Experts and leaders with sub average IQs it seems.

smellyoldboot

i_surge wrote: »

There is a complete lack of anything holistic or vaguely sensible in the approach.

Experts and leaders with sub average IQs it seems.

We don't like admitting it to ourselves but generations of emigration by those with no "connections" but with with a bit of get and go to them, means those of us left behind aren't exactly the pick of the bunch.

We really are just seeing the effects of that combined with chronic under investment in education compared to peer states. The hillbilly cousin of Western Europe.

i_surge

smellyoldboot wrote: »

We don't like admitting it to ourselves but generations of emigration by those with no "connections" but with with a bit of get and go to them, means those of us left behind aren't exactly the pick of the bunch.

We really are just seeing the effects of that combined with chronic under investment in education compared to peer states. The hillbilly cousin of Western Europe.

We are not, we are a smart, well educated bunch. The modern world has much better options now, maybe in the 80s and 90s being a politician was a good job to aspire to.

But the cream of the crop avoid politics now, horrible job that attracts either horrible or useless people.

Smacruairi

smellyoldboot wrote: »

We don't like admitting it to ourselves but generations of emigration by those with no "connections" but with with a bit of get and go to them, means those of us left behind aren't exactly the pick of the bunch.

We really are just seeing the effects of that combined with chronic under investment in education compared to peer states. The hillbilly cousin of Western Europe.

What a ludicrous statement,totally off topic and totally devoid of any research or analysis. A YouTube hot take and that's it. Chronic underinvestment in education, I agree with,but everything else is hyperbole and not at all helpful. Go watch the football and enjoy the evening instead of riling yourself.

However, what we are seeing is that the golden inner circle of banks (Brian Hayes) mixing with media (o rourke) with justice (woulfe) and politics means its very very hard to change the paradigm and make waves. I see it in education too with dogged adherence to the cult of the jct and the inspectorate allowed to denigrate a school after a brief 1 day inspection. I'm so disillusioned with the country at the moment to be honest.

Gerry Hatrick

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

At this stage schools are going back as planned.

Nothing will change this now. Everyone is bricking it. I don't know what to say anymore apart from wait and see. What else can be done?

Well I agree that they are opening but I'm not sending mine back for a few weeks until I see how it goes. I'm not having them being part of some sort of half arsed experiment. I'm be checking the daily bulletins to see how the case numbers look. My job as a parent is to make sure they are safe first and foremost.

smellyoldboot

i_surge wrote: »

We are not, we are a smart, well educated bunch. The modern world has much better options now, maybe in the 80s and 90s being a politician was a good job to aspire to.

But the cream of the crop avoid politics now, horrible job that attracts either horrible or useless people.

We're educated yes, bit I think we have fallen into the trap of overestimating the value of it.

ie; We can have all the A,s and 1.1s we want but you can't convince me our institutions are anywhere near say Oxbridge or that we produce technical professional at the same level as Germany or France.

It's great we get away with it with the tax dodge regime but let's not buy into the hype ourselves eh.

i_surge

smellyoldboot wrote: »

We're educated yes, bit I think we have fallen into the trap of overestimating the value of it.

ie; We can have all the A,s and 1.1s we want but you can't convince me our institutions are anywhere near say Oxbridge or that we produce technical professional at the same level as Germany or France.

It's great we get away with it with the tax dodge regime but let's not buy into the hype ourselves eh.

I agree with you there but we arent stupid compared to other parts of Europe. We just have a terrible cowboy culture of shur it will be grand that just doesn't cut it anymore mixing with a kind of serious litigious blame culture emerging. Terrible mix.

We don't need technical professionals because we make it up as we go.

My point will be exemplified within the month.

Gerry Hatrick

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Well I agree that they are opening but I'm not sending mine back for a few weeks until I see how it goes. I'm not having them being part of some sort of half arsed experiment. I'm be checking the daily bulletins to see how the case numbers look. My job as a parent is to make sure they are safe first and foremost.

Your qualifications make you a better judge as to whether schools can go back than the experts. And unless your kids have pre existing conditions or you have a household member who is vulnerable, your kids are perfectly safe at school

smellyoldboot

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your qualifications make you a better judge as to whether schools can go back than the experts. And unless your kids have pre existing conditions or you have a household member who is vulnerable, your kids are perfectly safe at school

Parents don't have a vested interest in getting an economy up and going the way some "experts" do. Only in keeping their family safe and healthy.

2.5m minimum social distance according to WHO. Can magically be 1m in Irish schools. (As I understand it's 1m from any point to any other too, not a radial 1m)

10 year olds every bit as likely to spread it as adults according to the WHO. Magic Irish science says kids can't transmit and if they got it, it was probably at home anyway.

thomasdylan

i_surge wrote: »

We are not, we are a smart, well educated bunch. The modern world has much better options now, maybe in the 80s and 90s being a politician was a good job to aspire to.

But the cream of the crop avoid politics now, horrible job that attracts either horrible or useless people.

A lot of the younger non-legacy politicians seem to have been successful in other areas. Pascal Donohoe, Hazel Chu would have been very successful in industry. Even Varadkar qualified as a GP.

smellyoldboot

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Parents don't have a vested interest in getting an economy up and going the way some "experts" do. Only in keeping their family safe and healthy.

2.5m minimum social distance according to WHO. Can magically be 1m in Irish schools. (As I understand it's 1m from any point to any other too, not a radial 1m)

10 year olds every bit as likely to spread it as adults according to the WHO. Magic Irish science says kids can't transmit and if they got it, it was probably at home anyway.

Kids do not get a significant illness. As a parent, I would have no more concern with my children getting this than a normal cold or flu, mine or my wives parents, a different matter, especially my father and my wives mother who have significant conditions. But for kids this is a mild illness and they will be safe as long as they are not in an at risk group

solerina

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Well I agree that they are opening but I'm not sending mine back for a few weeks until I see how it goes. I'm not having them being part of some sort of half arsed experiment. I'm be checking the daily bulletins to see how the case numbers look. My job as a parent is to make sure they are safe first and foremost.

If parents who felt like this all stood up and let the powers that be know their feelings we may get somewhere, teachers will be called lazy and we will be told that we just don’t want to work, whereas parents will be listened to !! It’s the only chance we have to stop this crazy experiment with our students, teachers & school staff.

freak scence

solerina wrote: »

If parents who felt like this all stood up and let the powers that be know their feelings we may get somewhere, teachers will be called lazy and we will be told that we just don’t want to work, whereas parents will be listened to !! It’s the only chance we have to stop this crazy experiment with our students, teachers & school staff.

government don't have a clue what they are at , and how they are all on leave is scary

khalessi

Deleted User wrote: »

Kids do not get a significant illness. As a parent, I would have no more concern with my children getting this than a normal cold or flu, mine or my wives parents, a different matter, especially my father and my wives mother who have significant conditions. But for kids this is a mild illness and they will be safe as long as they are not in an at risk group

Yes children for the most part do not get significnt illness but the following have been shown in studies;

0-5 year olds carry more coronavirus in their noses than adults,

10 years olds can spread it just as easily as adults.


So fine the child will not get ill, but some will and have since March and some have not been in an at risk group. And for a rare group it can lead to MIS -C, multi organ inflammotory symdrome-covid.

I am glad you have no more concern for your kids getting it, but it could affect other children or adults worse than yours.

Children can pass it on to their parents other peoples parents, grandparents

i_surge

thomasdylan wrote: »

A lot of the younger non-legacy politicians seem to have been successful in other areas. Pascal Donohoe, Hazel Chu would have been very successful in industry. Even Varadkar qualified as a GP.

Pascal is one of the most unimpressive politicians i have ever laid eyes on.

Varadkar is either a good leader or a snake who just plays politics, time will tell. He seems happy to undermine now and if he is, that is atrocious given the times we face.

freak scence

freak scence wrote: »

government don't have a clue what they are at , and how they are all on leave is scary

Only country in Europe opening up schools this autumn

Gerry Hatrick

Deleted User wrote: »

Your qualifications make you a better judge as to whether schools can go back than the experts. And unless your kids have pre existing conditions or you have a household member who is vulnerable, your kids are perfectly safe at school

Thanks. I'll make my own mind up on that.

mcsean2163

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Only country in Europe opening up schools this autumn

Is this sarcasm?

Swedish schools remained open.

UK opening next week too

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53882613