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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #4052
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    First time in a busy shopping centre today since February and over heard a 'mother' screaming at her kids that she 'can't ****ing waiting until you cnuts are out of my hair and back to school'. I kid you not. Felt so sorry for them.

    I'm sure you misunderstood and she was purely concerned about the educational and deveopmental welfare of the child that the school provides!


  • #4053
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    meeeeh wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure jumping from a plane without working parachute means certain death. Do you understand the difference in probability?

    And some will roll that dice. Others think it's madness to hedge your bets.


  • #4054
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    irishblessing wrote: »
    I have started to correspond with henireland as we have not heard back from principal inquiring about remote support. I know of almost 15 parents (1 on the fence) doing the same.

    Under what basis are you looking for support? Very strange that you'd have 15 'very high risk' category children in the one school.


  • #4055
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    meeeeh wrote: »
    They were all back by the middle of May irc but they did start with youngest classes and classes doing their version of leaving and junior cert. Both state exams went ahead as normal. Classes are similar size as here. Sweden never closed primary schools and I don't think there were many issues around them.

    Don't use Sweden as any bastion of the correct thing to do, they are completely distorting numbers and outright lying about covid-19 at this stage, and even at that, they are doing horribly in comparison to most.


  • #4056
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    froog wrote: »
    no idea. i just had a look at the roadmap document and there's a section in there for very high risk children but it's incredibly vague and can be basically read as "up to the school to figure it out".

    There was ample time to plan to match very high risk staff and students for quality, dedicated online learning. They didn't and here we are with extremely anxious parents and some of those teachers taking their own iniative/medical advice and staying at home. Disgraceful.


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  • #4057
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Said this from the moment that Leo loosened his lips. Schools are being set up to take the blame. All the hundreds of millions they got and they couldn't keep the virus at bay.
    They may well be but I do hope that in a week or two we'll be praising them for their work and not have people disappointed there are no cases in them. I think it will be a fluid situation for a while and all that cash will be needed.


  • #4058
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    Joe Kane wrote: »
    Correct. We were told by the same specialists this time last year that a severe chest infection could prove too much for our daughter and that it might be a good idea at the time to get in touch with the Make a wish foundation. These are the same specialists that were according to them instructed to get all children back to school regardless of their condition or risk factor. These last 3 weeks Anne Rabbitte has completely ignored us as has the school principle.

    If you can prove/verify what you have said here, please get in contact with as many journalists as possible. That is medical professionals acting on behalf of the state pretty much willingly signing a death warrant for a child.


  • #4059
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Joe Kane wrote: »
    Correct. We were told by the same specialists this time last year that a severe chest infection could prove too much for our daughter and that it might be a good idea at the time to get in touch with the Make a wish foundation. These are the same specialists that were according to them instructed to get all children back to school regardless of their condition or risk factor. These last 3 weeks Anne Rabbitte has completely ignored us as has the school principle.

    If this is true this is absolutely insane. This needs to be front page of the newspapers. I mean everyone wants the schools open in some capacity but good lord that’s not acceptable AT ALL


  • #4060
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    If a teacher has to leave school
    Due to Covid- like symptoms, the principal can’t even tell the rest of the staff . And if there’s a suspicion of Covid in one classroom , the school doesn’t have to close and the HSE won’t tell other parents in the school .

    Where is this information coming from?


  • #4061
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Blondini wrote: »
    There was ample time to plan to match very high risk staff and students for quality, dedicated online learning. They didn't and here we are with extremely anxious parents and some of those teachers taking their own iniative/medical advice and staying at home. Disgraceful.

    Sure we all thought that this would form part of the reopening schools l document but alas no. Joined up thinking is beyond them.


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  • #4062
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Blondini wrote: »
    There was ample time to plan to match very high risk staff and students for quality, dedicated online learning. They didn't and here we are with extremely anxious parents and some of those teachers taking their own iniative/medical advice and staying at home. Disgraceful.

    i blame the government here - this is the most important section of the plan as it deals with children who are at risk of serious illness or death and it is severely lacking. if i was a teacher no way in hell would i want to be taking responsibility for that one. i would want to be told exactly how to do it safely. so am on their side there.

    different for the general classroom settings where the risk to the typical child is very low and schools should be able to get a plan together using the guidance.


  • #4063
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Don't use Sweden as any bastion of the correct thing to do, they are completely distorting numbers and outright lying about covid-19 at this stage, and even at that, they are doing horribly in comparison to most.

    Don't dismiss Swedish data just because you disagree with their approach as do I. We are not evaluating the whole approach just data around schools.


  • #4064
    Joe Kane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Joe Kane


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    If this is true this is absolutely insane. This needs to be front page of the newspapers. I mean everyone wants the schools open in some capacity but good lord that’s not acceptable AT ALL

    It most certainly is true. If there is a journalist on boards / reading this thread please make contact with me.


  • #4065
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Where is this information coming from?

    I'm nearly 100% sure I read that in the departments curricular for return to schools as well, students family and staff cannot be told if there is a case except in certain circumstances


  • #4066
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    irishblessing wrote: »
    And some will roll that dice. Others think it's madness to hedge your bets.

    All jumping to ground because they don't have the patience to try to land the plane.


  • #4067
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They may well be but I do hope that in a week or two we'll be praising them for their work and not have people disappointed there are no cases in them. I think it will be a fluid situation for a while and all that cash will be needed.

    I hope I am spectacularly wrong in my predictions.


  • #4068
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Don't dismiss Swedish data just because you disagree with their approach as do I. We are not evaluating the whole approach just data around schools.

    I have to dismiss their data as much of it is known as fraudulent at this stage, I look at Israel, USA, and now Germany with regards returning to school + covid


  • #4069
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Where is this information coming from?

    I didn't get an answer to my question about a predefined approach to handling cases?

    I don't think defending the Hippocratic oath justifies not communicating an infection risk in the school.


  • #4070
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    I have to dismiss their data as much of it is known as fraudulent at this stage, I look at Israel, USA, and now Germany with regards returning to school + covid

    I fear we will enact practices bordering on fraudulent here too. Professor Nolan has already signalled the intent here with mention of infections taking place in the home. Ergo any figures that could be linked to schools will instead be spun as the infections took place outside of school and the child just happened to attend. Nothing to see here.


  • #4071
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    My spouse's cousin lives in Seattle (more on my cousin at the end), and we just heard about the plan in my niece and nephew's school (and the rest of the district).

    There are three options to choose from;
    1. Full School immersion. Masks, SD'ing, and hand washing in place. No uniforms so fresh clothing daily, and American books are usually provided by school so it all stays there. Homework is always project based, no workbooks
    2. Blended learning. Part of the week in school, partly at home. Classroom webcam will stream each day to students at home. Extra funding allowed students to get a loan of a tablet and a wi-fi pay as you go card covered by the school district if needed
    3. Fully remote learning and mostly for at risk students, and for parents not comfortable with sending their children in to school.
    This is expected to result in vastly reduced class sizes therefore making those kids who will be in school full time much safer.

    Cousin says school district began surveying and holding open forum remote meetings in April and by May they launched this program. Another cousin of mine is in Florida and the plans are strikingly similar.

    What in the f-k is our excuse. We're not innovators here that's for sure.


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  • #4072
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    i_surge wrote: »
    I didn't get an answer to my question about a predefined approach to handling cases?

    I don't think defending the Hippocratic oath justifies not communicating an infection risk in the school.

    You got it. It gets reported to the local health services team and then it is out of the schools hand.


  • #4073
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Under what basis are you looking for support? Very strange that you'd have 15 'very high risk' category children in the one school.

    They're not 'very high risk,' did I suggest they were? "we" are a friend/family group I refer to that is spread out all over (mainly eastern/southern) Ireland.

    A handful have children with bad asthma and another few are high risk themselves (either the mam or dad) and the rest are just not comfortable with the risk.


  • #4074
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    You got it. It gets reported to the local health services team and then it is out of the schools hand.

    A national game of pass the parcel is a foot. I am more sickened every time I read this thread.


  • #4075
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    irishblessing wrote: »
    They're not 'very high risk,' did I suggest they were?

    A handful have children with bad asthma and another few are high risk themselves (either the mam or dad) and the rest are just not comfortable with the risk.

    Under the guidelines they don't have to be given support as they don't fit the criteria. Remember primary schools haven't been given any additional staff to support anything like this. They've been told to use SET for any very high risk cases but SET are also to be used to cover absences where a sub cannot be sourced.


  • #4076
    Murple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Murple


    Joe Kane wrote: »
    Correct. We were told by the same specialists this time last year that a severe chest infection could prove too much for our daughter and that it might be a good idea at the time to get in touch with the Make a wish foundation. These are the same specialists that were according to them instructed to get all children back to school regardless of their condition or risk factor. These last 3 weeks Anne Rabbitte has completely ignored us as has the school principle.

    One would wonder who is instructing them?
    Also, I would hope that a specialist who has given this advice to you in the past would stand their ground and refuse to cooperate with such an instruction.


  • #4077
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Murple wrote: »
    One would wonder who is instructing them?
    Also, I would hope that a specialist who has given this advice to you in the past would stand their ground and refuse to cooperate with such an instruction.

    Yeah they have ethics to follow.

    It is amazing what some people will do when someone else tells them to though.


  • #4078
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Under the guidelines they don't have to be given support as they don't fit the criteria. Remember primary schools haven't been given any additional staff to support anything like this. They've been told to use SET for any very high risk cases but SET are also to be used to cover absences where a sub cannot be sourced.

    Ah yeah I know, which is a failing by our government. We are now faced with figuring this out on our own.

    It would be great if the principal would at least acknowledge the email sent and give some kind of reply. I also hope these emails from parents are being escalated too.


  • #4079
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    irishblessing wrote: »
    They're not 'very high risk,' did I suggest they were? "we" are a friend/family group I refer to that is spread out all over (mainly eastern/southern) Ireland.

    A handful have children with bad asthma and another few are high risk themselves (either the mam or dad) and the rest are just not comfortable with the risk.

    In that case there is nothing the school can do - schools are preparing for a full return to school - all staff will need to be utilised in order for that to happen. There simply is not the resources available to have a full reopening with provision for those children in the very high risk category and to cater for parents who won’t be sending children to school be that due to health concerns , concerns re vulnerable family members or simply not happy to have their children in a school environment at this time.


  • #4080
    Sunday Sunday
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    irishblessing wrote: »
    They're not 'very high risk,' did I suggest they were? "we" are a friend/family group I refer to that is spread out all over (mainly eastern/southern) Ireland.

    A handful have children with bad asthma and another few are high risk themselves (either the mam or dad) and the rest are just not comfortable with the risk.

    I'm afraid if they aren't deemed 'very high risk' then it comes down to making a personal decision to either take the risk and send them to school or home school.

    Homeschooling in non 'very high risk' cases will be the same as its always been in Ireland and won't involve the school at all.

    No provision for support unless very high risk, which on reading recent posts its going to be difficult to have anyone deemed as 'very high risk'.

    Shocking really.


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  • #4081
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    In that case there is nothing the school can do - schools are preparing for a full return to school - all staff will need to be utilised in order for that to happen. There simply is not the resources available to have a full reopening with provision for those children in the very high risk category and to cater for parents who won’t be sending children to school be that due to health concerns , concerns re vulnerable family members or simply not happy to have their children in a school environment at this time.

    "There simply isn't" is never a good excuse.

    Redesign it you clowns.


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