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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #2252
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,254 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »
    With regards to the Gardaí having the right to enter your household: Though Article 40 of the Constitution states that the dwelling of every citizen is inviolable, it also states that exceptions may be made where they are in accordance with law. Essentially this means that the government may grant AGS such powers and those powers would, in theory, operate within the confines of the Constitution. Now that's not to say that such legislation would, or could, go unchallenged but nevertheless people should be up in arms over even the slightest suggestion of such measures.

    Edit: It's important to note that the Dail must be sitting in order to pass any such legislation.

    Well there'd have to be exceptions when you think about it, such as warrants where AGS can "force" entry to a private house as part of their investigation to arrest someone or seize something etc.

    I'm not a lawyer/constitutional expert though.


  • #2253
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,536 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Must be absolutely galling to be a young 20something in this country. Your education, travel opportunities, sporting and social outlets all suspended for months with no end in sight accompanied by continuous finger-wagging.

    It's tough on them no doubt. When you are that age a summer feels like a year and patience an unknown word, what I mean is they are restless to get their lives going.
    But on the other hand, we're not sending them off to do national service or actually fight in a war.
    Just don't party and follow the guidelines to protect their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles etc

    The older generation are making sacrifices too.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #2254
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Even if the powers do get extended any law abiding citizen should have no reason to be concerned.

    Is this a troll account like PaddyGreen but more subtle?


  • #2255
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,867 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Someone above suggested it could be a constitutional issue. I can't see the general public supporting the notion in a referendum.

    Would absolutely fail in a referendum and rightly so.


  • #2256
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Must be absolutely galling to be a young 20something in this country. Your education, travel opportunities, sporting and social outlets all suspended for months with no end in sight accompanied by continuous finger-wagging.

    What the fcuk did we expect young people to do with pubs and nightclubs closed for months? Take a vow of chastity for a couple of years until the hysteria mongers feel safe again?

    I really hope young people stand up to this. Their very futures are being sacrificed and they are being saddled with billions of our debt.

    We are the most cowardly country in Europe and it is shaming to be Irish during this.

    I seen some old bolix being interviewed where he was suggesting the youngsters didn't care because the virus wasn't dangerous to them.

    His generation didn't wait at home to prevent spreading TB to his elderly neighbours, however, in the 50s and 60s. There was fcuk all consideration displayed in those generations


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  • #2257
    Limpy
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Limpy


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Bring back Leo. He's not great, but he's a million times better than Martin. He's way in over his head.

    We shouldn't have to settle for someone not great. They either do a good job or we get someone else in. All we have is Leo and MM passing the ball to each other.


  • #2258
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    I think the situation with SF is that most people see them as a useful watchdog over the excesses of FF/FG but few who are interested in these things would really want to see them in a decision-making role in Government.

    Going by their comments before and after the last GE SF in power would, if unchecked, engage in excesses that would make FF/FG seem like paragons of virtue. I hope this comment is on topic enough for you BTW.


  • #2259
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    bush wrote: »
    Is this a troll account like PaddyGreen but more subtle?

    Doubt it, Paddy displays an incredibly intelligent humor, love his post's


  • #2260
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,867 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    That's an absolute stretch. Martin is incoherent and comes across as not having much of a clue. People went along with Leo, on the other hand Martin has lost the dressing room so to speak.

    Anyone I speak to and the general conclusion is “he’s useless”.


  • #2261
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,254 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Even if the powers do get extended any law abiding citizen should have no reason to be concerned.

    It's a dangerous precedent to set is the point. Mistakes can and are made, and AGS are just as personally fallible as anyone else as we see in the press from time to time.

    Also, any/all of these CV-19 measures should have a defined and limited-only-to-that-necessary-to-deliver scope, and expiration date associated with it


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  • #2262
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,284 ✭✭✭Allinall


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Must be absolutely galling to be a young 20something in this country. Your education, travel opportunities, sporting and social outlets all suspended for months with no end in sight accompanied by continuous finger-wagging.

    What the fcuk did we expect young people to do with pubs and nightclubs closed for months? Take a vow of chastity for a couple of years until the hysteria mongers feel safe again?

    I really hope young people stand up to this. Their very futures are being sacrificed and they are being saddled with billions of our debt.

    We are the most cowardly country in Europe and it is shaming to be Irish during this.

    Poor diddums.

    Majority of cases in the last few weeks are under 45.

    They need to kop on and take some responsibility.


  • #2263
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Allinall wrote: »
    Poor diddums.

    Majority of cases in the last few weeks are under 45.

    They need to kop on and take some responsibility.

    Majority of cases will be under 18 in a few weeks, after they get ****ed back to school as guinea pigs, who will then spread it into homes etc..


  • #2264
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,254 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Going by their comments before and after the last GE SF in power would, if unchecked, engage in excesses that would make FF/FG seem like paragons of virtue. I hope this comment is on topic enough for you BTW.

    I don't disagree with you. SF would be a disaster for the politically middle-of-the-road, average worker in this country as well as the FDI-dependent economy that forms the backbone of the country.

    The scary thing is that if they'd run more candidates in the last election, it might have been Mary Lou on the podium yesterday.

    We are starved of decent alternatives though which is why the FF/FG merry-go-round continues.


  • #2265
    TomsOnTheRoof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭TomsOnTheRoof


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Well there'd have to be exceptions when you think about it, such as warrants where AGS can "force" entry to a private house as part of their investigation to arrest someone or seize something etc.

    I'm not a lawyer/constitutional expert though.

    No you are spot on. Gardaí may enter where they have a reasonably held belief that a serious crime is about to be committed for instance or where they are in possession of a warrant. Both of these examples satisfy the Article 40 condition of "save in accordance with law". Regardless the Dáil aren't currently sitting so legislation granting the Gardaí new powers cannot be passed.


  • #2266
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    It's a dangerous precedent to set is the point. Mistakes can and are made, and AGS are just as personally fallible as anyone else as we see in the press from time to time.

    Also, any/all of these CV-19 measures should have a defined and limited-only-to-that-necessary-to-deliver scope, and expiration date associated with it

    Expiration dates can and indeed have been extended where necessary. You are aware of that?


  • #2267
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    bush wrote: »
    Is this a troll account like PaddyGreen but more subtle?

    Well he was calling for those attending house parties to be tasered/ batoned yesterday. I basically just ignore him. Feeding only encourages the behaviour.


  • #2268
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Well he was calling for those attending house parties to be tasered/ batoned yesterday. I basically just ignore him. Feeding only encourages the behaviour.

    Definitely a troll


  • #2269
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »
    No you are spot on. Gardaí may enter where they have a reasonably held belief that a serious crime is about to be committed for instance or where they are in possession of a warrant. Both of these examples satisfy the Article 40 condition of "save in accordance with law". Regardless the Dáil aren't currently sitting so legislation granting the Gardaí new powers cannot be passed.

    If necessary the Dail and Seanad can be recalled from recess early to debate and vote on urgent legislation.


  • #2270
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,867 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Allinall wrote: »
    Poor diddums.

    Majority of cases in the last few weeks are under 45.

    They need to kop on and take some responsibility.

    Pardon them for living! Look, they’re not really affected by the virus. Even in a bad dose chances are they’ll recover. You can’t change this, it’s scientific fact.
    It’s older people that are going to have take responsibility consummate with their health and situations. This virus is endemic now


  • #2271
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,867 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Majority of cases will be under 18 in a few weeks, after they get ****ed back to school as guinea pigs, who will then spread it into homes etc..

    The drama! Guinea pigs, sweet jesus


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  • #2272
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Allinall wrote: »
    Poor diddums.

    Majority of cases in the last few weeks are under 45.

    They need to kop on and take some responsibility.

    The spread is in meat factories mainly...

    Do you know many pensioners working in meat factories?

    Are we now blaming under 45's for working...


  • #2273
    Limpy
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Limpy


    Jasus Ted, wouldn't it be mad if the kids went back to school in the middle of a pandemic.

    Its fine Dougal, kids are not affected by covid19.

    Oh right Ted, sure what could possibly go wrong.


  • #2274
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,284 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The spread is in meat factories mainly...

    Do you know many pensioners working in meat factories?

    Are we now blaming under 45's for working...

    How do you think it gets into meat factories?


  • #2275
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    road_high wrote: »
    The drama! Guinea pigs, sweet jesus

    Ronan Glynn said yesterday, "What we don't want is 30 or 50 kids coming together and mixing every day" as a reason to limit sports training.

    Eh Schools?


  • #2276
    SAMTALK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    It will be very interesting to see what happens when colleges open back up.

    I think this is where we will see the house parties getting out of hand. They will only have college a few days a month and with no nightclubs / bars open there will definitely be an increase in number of parties.

    will be interesting to see if this bring a big increase in number of cases


  • #2277
    TomsOnTheRoof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭TomsOnTheRoof


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    If necessary the Dail and Seanad can be recalled from recess early to debate and vote on urgent legislation.

    Yeah but I can't for the life of me see them being called back for this. Maybe I'm wrong but such measures would be deeply unpopular amongst the vast majority and any party ushering them in would be committing political suicide. It would be madness to attempt such a thing, especially if the coalition is as precariously balanced as we are led to believe.


  • #2278
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Allinall wrote: »
    How do you think it gets into meat factories?

    It all starts with just 1 person.
    Do you know who the person is? What age they are? How they caught it?

    I assume not.

    So you can't blame an entire demographic for causing it.


  • #2279
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Allinall wrote: »
    Poor diddums.

    Majority of cases in the last few weeks are under 45.

    They need to kop on and take some responsibility.

    Lovely stuff.

    Was it poor diddums, kop on to yourselves and take some responsibility when the majority of the cases were over 60's and the majority of deaths were the over 85's?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #2280
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,284 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It all starts with just 1 person.
    Do you know who the person is? What age they are? How they caught it?

    I assume not.

    So you can't blame an entire demographic for causing it.

    I'm not blaming them for causing it.

    I'm blaming them for spreading it.


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  • #2281
    Limpy
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    SAMTALK wrote: »
    It will be very interesting to see what happens when colleges open back up.

    I think this is where we will see the house parties getting out of hand. They will only have college a few days a month and with no nightclubs / bars open there will definitely be an increase in number of parties.

    will be interesting to see if this bring a big increase in number of cases

    Aids/hiv didn't stop parties or college riding in the 80s. Its fanciful to think a virus that won't affect them will.


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