Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Allinall

Allinall wrote: »

I'm not blaming them for causing it.

I'm blaming them for spreading it.

But most were just innocently at work trying to earn a living...

SAMTALK

Limpy wrote: »

Aids/hiv didn't stop parties or college riding in the 80s. Its fanciful to think a virus that won't affect them will.

Why wont it affect them ?

Plumbthedepths

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Ronan Glynn said yesterday, "What we don't want is 30 or 50 kids coming together and mixing every day" as a reason to limit sports training.

Eh Schools?

You couldn't make up the nonsense they spout.

JRant

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I seen some old bolix being interviewed where he was suggesting the youngsters didn't care because the virus wasn't dangerous to them.

His generation didn't wait at home to prevent spreading TB to his elderly neighbours, however, in the 50s and 60s. There was fcuk all consideration displayed in those generations

Sure the older generation pulled the ladder up after themselves and left the younger ones to their own devices. Not a single fook is given by the older generation around the fact that young people can't afford their own homes and job security has been severely eroded.

Concretejungle

road_high wrote: »

Pardon them for living! Look, they’re not really affected by the virus. Even in a bad dose chances are they’ll recover. You can’t change this, it’s scientific fact.
It’s older people that are going to have take responsibility consummate with their health and situations. This virus is endemic now

Older people are taking precautions and doing the right thing, and most of the new cases are under 45 so it is that group that need to be targetted now, not the over 70s
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Allinall

JRant wrote: »

Lovely stuff.

Was it poor diddums, kop on to yourselves and take some responsibility when the majority of the cases were over 60's and the majority of deaths were the over 85's?

The majority of cases were in hospital settings and nursing homes.

The people who got infected, and those who died mostly didn't have any choice in who they came into close contact with.

Totally different for the younger folk now.

lee_baby_simms

Concretejungle wrote: »

Older people are taking precautions and doing the right thing, and most of the new cases are under 45 so it is that group that need to be targetted now, not the over 70s
.

You've just stumbled upon the one way out of this.

Let the virus pass safely through the community via the young and healthy while limiting exposure to the at risk.

road_high

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Ronan Glynn said yesterday, "What we don't want is 30 or 50 kids coming together and mixing every day" as a reason to limit sports training.

Eh Schools?

Well sure keep them home then- home school etc. Plus more space for the kids that will attend. Either way children must have an education. Else we’ll have a nation of lost dunces (well the wealthier in society will be able to buy it more so than ever).

Plumbthedepths

Concretejungle wrote: »

Older people are taking precautions and doing the right thing, and most of the new cases are under 45 so it is that group that need to be targetted now, not the over 70s
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Lockdown the under 45's keep them in their homes. What will the over 70's do when the taxes run out to fund the health service they use far more that the under 45's?

JRant

Allinall wrote: »

The majority of cases were in hospital settings and nursing homes.

The people who got infected, and those who died mostly didn't have any choice in who they came into close contact with.

Totally different for the younger folk now.

So absolve one cohort of any responsibility while admonishing another cohort. Gottcha

Plumbthedepths

JRant wrote: »

So absolve one cohort of any responsibility while admonishing another cohort. Gottcha

It actually amazing to see decades old propaganda being used again to justify an agenda and with success. Before it was race, now it's age demographics.

corny

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, there ya have it, the Gardai will soon have the power to enter your home without warrant, only "reasonable suspicion" will be needed in court to make the entry to your property legal...
The Government will tell you this is a "Temporary power" in the interests of "public safety"... however I can see it being extended...

We'll let it happen though. Irish people have lost interest in public protest. Whether it be stagnant wages, declining living standards, government overreach, etc....we just sit back and bitch about it from afar. Myself included.

Assetbacked

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

Yeah but I can't for the life of me see them being called back for this. Maybe I'm wrong but such measures would be deeply unpopular amongst the vast majority and any party ushering them in would be committing political suicide. It would be madness to attempt such a thing, especially if the coalition is as precariously balanced as we are led to believe.

These measures are a bridge too far and should absolutely not be brought in. To think that the Gardai could enter a home because of old people having a tea party and break it up is enough of a reason to say that NPHET should STFU. Particularly, as the spikes came from meat plants which were allowed to ignore the restrictions imposed on everyone else. Further, meat plants should be closed for the next few weeks; without any action against them, there is no reason for the public to continue to follow NPHET advice as implemented by the government as it is blatantly hypocritical, illogical and irrational. They have completely over-extended themselves and made an absolute balls of Ireland's covid response. We have one of the worst health services in Ireland and it is evident from NPHET's ridiculous advice, not based on science any more but based on ignorance and fear with no medium term plan. The fact a high ranking public sector health suit is hosting a wedding this weekend gives me a strong suspicion that the reason they did not touch weddings of 50 people "yet" is to accommodate this person. These gardai powers should be fought with protest and civil disobedience if they are brought in.

John O.Groats

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

Yeah but I can't for the life of me see them being called back for this. Maybe I'm wrong but such measures would be deeply unpopular amongst the vast majority and any party ushering them in would be committing political suicide. It would be madness to attempt such a thing, especially if the coalition is as precariously balanced as we are led to believe.

We will see. If the current rise in clusters of new cases continues and there is reason to believe they are linked to house parties or for that matter restaurant pubs flouting the regulations then that situation may very quickly change.

namloc1980

Limpy wrote: »

We shouldn't have to settle for someone not great. They either do a good job or we get someone else in. All we have is Leo and MM passing the ball to each other.

That's how our democracy works. We can't just install someone else as Taoiseach on a whim without major constitutional reform.

odyssey06

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Too right as well. We can only hope that they'll bring in similar regulations for schools as well - a Garda raid should scare kids into keeping up their social distance.

I think they should arm the Gardai as well and have them shoot anyone not wearing a mask. You can't be too careful. It would only be for the duration of the pandemic too, so no long term risk.

Funny, but I think After Hours is that way --->

JRant

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It actually amazing to see decades old propaganda being used again to justify an agenda and with success. Before it was race, now it's age demographics.

Children have been the bottom of the priority list since they shut schools down in mid March. It's only in the past couple of weeks that schools have started to come up, along with activities for children. Low and behold, the "wont somebody think of the Granny's" come out if the woodwork. Making outrageous statements that grandchildren will/could be responsible for kill nanny or grandad. I turned off any COVID news around my 2 children for that very reason. It's so hard for them already without mounting that type of guff on to them as well. And any adult spouting that stuff needs a serious dose of cop on.

Plumbthedepths

odyssey06 wrote: »

Funny, but I think After Hours is that way --->

I think you missed the sarcasm tbh.

niallo27

SAMTALK wrote: »

Why wont it affect them ?

Because the vast vast vast majority of them wont even know they are sick if they get it, a few will get sick yes, just like a few get alcohol poisoning or a drug overdose but it doesn't stop them. Are people that delusional and completely out of touch that they think it will.

Plumbthedepths

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Could we not give Eamon a go for the craic?

I don't think he could stay awake long enough.

JRant

John O.Groats wrote: »

We will see. If the current rise in clusters of new cases continues and there is reason to believe they are linked to house parties or for that matter restaurant pubs flouting the regulations then that situation may very quickly change.

But we know where the existing ones are coming from, should we not focus on them rather than some imaginary scenario that hasn't happened yet.

You have the HSA afraid to send inspectors to these places in case they catch COVID. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny. Give the Garda powers to enter these premises and shut them down on the spot if an outbreak occurs. Don't start somewhere completely unrelated like people's homes while leaving the actual culprits free to do it all over again.

SAMTALK

niallo27 wrote: »

Because the vast vast vast majority of them wont even know they are sick if they get it, a few will get sick yes, just like a few get alcohol poisoning or a drug overdose but it doesn't stop them. Are people that delusional and completely out of touch that they think it will.

You do realise the issue is infecting other people?
Not delusional or out of touch just realise that whilst they possible won't be that sick it's the Cross infection that's the problem

odyssey06

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I was just responding in kind to the post I quoted.
Anyone who thinks giving Gardai unprecedented powers is the priority here is clearly on a wind up.

I don't see any evidence of that.
The cabinet just request the Attorney General to look into the drafting of such powers.
I expect an opinion poll would show significant support for such a move - both from people worried about the virus to those just worried about house parties next door.
Maybe you think the powers are misguided, or won't see the light of day due to constitutional or legislative issues, maybe even it's a bluff, but wind up?
Don't see it.

niallo27

SAMTALK wrote: »

You do realise the issue is infecting other people?
Not delusional or out of touch just realise that whilst they possible won't be that sick it's the Cross infection that's the problem

Not if your young and bored and frustrated. We can bitch all we want but we need to face facts. I probably would do the same if i was a young lad again locked at home for last 6 months.

Plumbthedepths

SAMTALK wrote: »

You do realise the issue is infecting other people?
Not delusional or out of touch just realise that whilst they possible won't be that sick it's the Cross infection that's the problem

Does any prospect of cross contamination stop at a school gate?

storker

niallo27 wrote: »

Not if your young and bored and frustrated. We can bitch all we want but we need to face facts. I probably would do the same if i was a young lad again locked at home for last 6 months.

Nobody was locked at home for the past 6 months.

JRant

SAMTALK wrote: »

You do realise the issue is infecting other people?
Not delusional or out of touch just realise that whilst they possible won't be that sick it's the Cross infection that's the problem

Technically they are spreading a virus, people will almost always infect themselves by touching a contaminated surface and then there own eyes, nose or mouth. Proper hand hygiene does help, as it does stopping most virus we usually pick up.

AUDI20

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Lockdown the under 45's keep them in their homes. What will the over 70's do when the taxes run out to fund the health service they use far more that the under 45's?

Which by the way they have paid a lot more into than the under 45s

SAMTALK

niallo27 wrote: »

Not if your young and bored and frustrated. We can bitch all we want but we need to face facts. I probably would do the same if i was a young lad again locked at home for last 6 months.

They werent locked at home, just asked to restrict movement

I do feel sorry for the youth but we all have to make sacrifices and stop thinking of just ourselves for a while.

SAMTALK

JRant wrote: »

Technically they are spreading a virus, people will almost always infect themselves by touching a contaminated surface and then there own eyes, nose or mouth. Proper hand hygiene does help, as it does stopping most virus we usually pick up.

Who contaminated the surface.

I actually think that the mask wearing is making people a little complacent with regards hand hygiene and social distancing.