FF/FG/Green Next Government

James Brown · 12-08-2020 11:22AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Thats is a valid contention to make.
New SF has members that still throw out the up the RA and tiochaidh ar lá salutes.
Whatever you make of the IRA campaign, it did involve murder and terrorism and SF are still supportive of that campaign.
Of course our two other main party's are founded from the same sort of campaign, but that was a hundred years ago, so they're now pure. and so are their voters .

Are they the same IRA ceased violence, signed up to peace and politics and have former members active in democratic politics? Or do we skip that part and go from the last bombing campaign to 2020? Not very honest is it?
Then of course we've people like yourself and FF/FG who will pat themselves on the back for their part in this peace, take awards, but piss on it for a sly dig if criticised on their polices today.
Some of us vote based on changes we'd like to see made and will vote for whoever looks to bring them. Party loyalty for party loyalty sake is a nonsense.

FYI: I'd suggest all the votes FG lost had to go somewhere.

Bishop of hope · 12-08-2020 11:33AM

Methinks I was taken too seriously!

James Brown · 12-08-2020 11:42AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Methinks I was taken too seriously!

I got that your tone was humourous but your point is a commonly used one. FF/FG get criticised, wheel in the IRA ad nauseam.

James Brown · 12-08-2020 11:48AM

This could be good...

Employers will be entitled to a financial incentive of €3,000 to take on apprentices under a new scheme to be announced today.

Minister for Higher Education and Innovation Simon Harris wants to expand the model to include more sectors of the economy as it recovers from the impact of the Covid-19 pandemic.

If the employee gets set towards a trade it might work out. Earlier models open to abuse by employers if the money is contingent on official training they'll get something out of our taxes.

dundalkfc10 · 12-08-2020 12:15PM

https://twitter.com/berkieahern2/status/1293305445046784002?s=19

Sexual Predators Welcome FFG

James Brown · 12-08-2020 02:12PM

I did find that it's tough to find this sort of thing associated with Fine Gael. Oh, it's out there, but it doesn't make top story on RTE or get several days of running opinion pieces in the Irish Times, especially around election time. That's not a conspiracy theory. It's facts. Supposing why might be considered 'conspiracy' theory.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 02:26PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Varadkar 'suggested creating anonymous accounts online to make positive comments on news'

Equally true if you're blowing your own trumpet.

You'd have to wonder if any of them ever made their way on to boards.ie.

Difference is he suggested it...cue outrage

Sinn Fein are actually doing it, don’t see you outraged about that?

You do have to wonder if they made it onto boards....

markodaly · 12-08-2020 02:28PM

efanton wrote: »

So it is your contention that anyone who votes or supports SF is fully supportive of the terrorism and murder?

Including myself?

Fully support of terrorism and murder? It depends of course. Many of the usual suspects that defend SF to the hilt come what may fit that profile, of course, I cannot read into the hearts of minds of all their voters.

I would say most people even realise it what SF is really all about underneath it all, but they will learn soon enough.

So, at best the are ignorant, at worst they support terrorists and murder.

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 02:29PM

Criticism of housing policy >>>>>>>> cue pile on to SF and those who do not support the government in everything they do.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 02:30PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Criticism of housing policy >>>>>>>> cue pile on to SF and those who do not support the government in everything they do.

You still lost in Los Angles? Or you back in the land of Eire yet? :-)

markodaly · 12-08-2020 02:31PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/berkieahern2/status/1293305445046784002?s=19

Sexual Predators Welcome FFG

Whats this.... some SF bot (look at this profile) tweets out an article about some FG candidate about an incident that happened 10 years.....
Oh, yes, lets talk about THAT but ignore what happened over the last few days.

Co-ordinated and tactical.

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 02:33PM

markodaly wrote: »

Fully support of terrorism and murder? It depends of course. Many of the usual suspects that defend SF to the hilt come what may fit that profile, of course, I cannot read into the hearts of minds of all their voters.

I would say most people even realise it what SF is really all about underneath it all, but they will learn soon enough.

So, at best the are ignorant, at worst they support terrorists and murder.

The only "defenders to the hilt" on here are FF and FG sycophants.

I'm a former member of FG and I have only ever given 2 preferences to SF (2011 Prez, 2020 GE) in my life, and I would rather stab myself in the face with a fork than ever vote for FF or the like of PBP/Sol etc, but the absolute derangement towards SF and anyone who may have had the temerity to vote for them is unhealthy in here.

Especially in a thread about the Govt.

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 02:36PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You still lost in Los Angles? Or you back in the land of Eire yet? :-)

Poor angle [sic].

Honestly Shef, why do you bother?

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Do you still not know what "LA housing" is or would refer to - especially in the context of the post to which you are referring? Or are you hiding your ignorance behind snark as usual?

It's okay to learn new things everyday. Even new acronyms.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 02:53PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Poor angle [sic].

Honestly Shef, why do you bother?

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Do you still not know what "LA housing" is or would refer to - especially in the context of the post to which you are referring? Or are you hiding your ignorance behind snark as usual?

It's okay to learn new things everyday. Even new acronyms.

LA housing, houses in Los Angles....am I wrong?

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 02:55PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/berkieahern2/status/1293305445046784002?s=19

Sexual Predators Welcome FFG

Yes because Sinn Fein really want to bring up sexual predators....

McMurphy · 12-08-2020 02:57PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

LA housing, houses in Los Angles....am I wrong?

People come into threads about Irish govt and talk about housing in Los Angeles USA all the time.

Easy mistake to make I suppose.

/End sarcasm.

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 03:01PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

LA housing, houses in Los Angles....am I wrong?

Your angle on this is very wrong.

That you could even construe it as possibly meaning "Los Angeles" given the context in which the post was made and the content of the post is worrying, though not surprising. It's also worrying that myself and others have used "LA" in posts about housing repeatedly over the course of many pages on this thread and you still haven't picked up on it.

If you don't understand something so fundamental in the housing sphere like an oft-used acronym like "LA", then I would have to assume that you're not exactly on the ball when it comes to Irish politics or discussion of same.

I guess there was no way you could shoehorn a snarky comment about Sinn Féin into your snarky reply.

However, you derailed any discussion on the abomination of co-living so I guess your goal was achieved. Medals all 'round on Mount St for Shef.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 03:02PM

McMurphy wrote: »

People come into threads about Irish govt and talk about housing in Los Angeles USA all the time.

Easy mistake to make I suppose.

/End sarcasm.

All sorts of c**p get dragged up on this thread by a few, Los Angles housing would be probably one of the more sane topics :-)

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 03:03PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

All sorts of c**p get dragged up on this thread by a few, Los Angles housing would be probably one of the more sane topics :-)

Dig up Shef.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 03:05PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Your angle on this is very wrong.

That you could even construe it as possibly meaning "Los Angeles" given the context in which the post was made and the content of the post is worrying, though not surprising. It's also worrying that myself and others have used "LA" in posts about housing repeatedly over the course of many pages on this thread and you still haven't picked up on it.

If you don't understand something so fundamental in the housing sphere like an oft-used acronym like "LA", then I would have to assume that you're not exactly on the ball when it comes to Irish politics or discussion of same.

I guess there was no way you could shoehorn a snarky comment about Sinn Féin into your snarky reply.

However, you derailed any discussion on the abomination of co-living so I guess your goal was achieved. Medals all 'round on Mount St for Shef.

So your the minister for housing now with an in-depth knowledge?

Doesn’t look too bad to me
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/life-style/co-living-coming-dublin-heres-exactly-means-612981

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 03:10PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So your the minister for housing now with an in-depth knowledge?

Doesn’t look too bad to me
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/life-style/co-living-coming-dublin-heres-exactly-means-612981

Where did I say I am the minister? Do I have to be minister to either discuss or have an "in-depth knowledge" of this?

Don't get too bogged down on the latest tangent you've decided to run down as a distraction from your acute lack of knowledge

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You still don't know what "LA" means in the housing context and you're sending me links to joe.ie about co-living and accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about?

"Doesn't look to bad too me!"- of course it doesn't, you'll never have to live in one.

Same way that "National Service is a great idea", for everyone who will never have to do it.

As I said Shef, dig up, you're in over your head here.

James Brown · 12-08-2020 03:12PM

markodaly wrote: »

Fully support of terrorism and murder? It depends of course. Many of the usual suspects that defend SF to the hilt come what may fit that profile, of course, I cannot read into the hearts of minds of all their voters.

I would say most people even realise it what SF is really all about underneath it all, but they will learn soon enough.

So, at best the are ignorant, at worst they support terrorists and murder.

You constantly confuse calling out irrelevant SF whataboutery in the face of FF/FG criticism, rather than addressing the criticism, defending SF.

Even the IRA don't support terrorists or murder ffs. Do you know what year you are in? This isn't me defending the IRA. This is me calling out your nonsense. See how that works?

James Brown · 12-08-2020 03:17PM

markodaly wrote: »

Whats this.... some SF bot (look at this profile) tweets out an article about some FG candidate about an incident that happened 10 years.....
Oh, yes, lets talk about THAT but ignore what happened over the last few days.

Co-ordinated and tactical.

So he's just 'some' FG candidate and it was '10 years ago' :rolleyes:
Hypocrisy.

What happened over the last few days you said was mostly a SF thing. Upon request you got examples of it being a FG thing and the party leader suggesting FG set up anonymous online accounts.

Taoiseach says senior Fine Gael official behind insulting tweets to women should resign

Barry Walsh:

"Some stupid Sinn Fein bitch on Claire Byrne refusing to condemn comments by another Provo wag re McCabe murder. Leopards, spots etc."

""Some daft old bitch on @BreakfastNT goes on rant about not getting pension rise from Enda Kenny....then says she always votes for FF!"

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/taoiseach-says-senior-fine-gael-11536168

Fine Gael TD advisor admits ‘Mary Lube McDonald’ tweet was ‘not right’
https://extra.ie/2020/02/06/news/politics/mary-lube-mcdonald

FG councillor defends his 'love' for Blueshirts' Nazi-style salute

A Fine Gael councillor has defended a late night tweet where he expressed his "love" for a picture of Blueshirts performing a Nazi-style salute.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fg-councillor-defends-his-love-for-blueshirts-nazi-style-salute-39274128.html

Varadkar 'suggested creating anonymous accounts online to make positive comments on news'
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-suggested-creating-anonymous-accounts-online-to-make-positive-comments-on-news-37275799.html

You opened your own can of worms.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 03:24PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Where did I say I am the minister? Do I have to be minister to either discuss or have an "in-depth knowledge" of this?

Don't get too bogged down on the latest tangent you've decided to run down as a distraction from your acute lack of knowledge

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You still don't know what "LA" means in the housing context and you're sending me links to joe.ie about co-living and accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about?

"Doesn't look to bad too me!"- of course it doesn't, you'll never have to live in one.

Same way that "National Service is a great idea", for everyone who will never have to do it.

As I said Shef, dig up, you're in over your head here.

When did I say you don’t know what your talking about?

LA means Los Angeles , no idea why your so confused. One of the most common acronyms used in the World.

Have you lived in co-living?

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 03:26PM

Bowie wrote: »

So he's just 'some' FG candidate and it was '10 years ago' :rolleyes:
Hypocrisy.

What happened over the last few days you said was mostly a SF thing. Upon request you got examples of it being a FG thing and the party leader suggesting FG set up anonymous online accounts.

You opened your own can of worms.

FG suggested it

Sinn Fein done it

So if your so outraged at FG and Leo for suggesting it what’s your opinion on SF actually doing it ?

smurgen · 12-08-2020 03:27PM

Bowie wrote: »

So he's just 'some' FG candidate and it was '10 years ago' :rolleyes:
Hypocrisy.

What happened over the last few days you said was mostly a SF thing. Upon request you got examples of it being a FG thing and the party leader suggesting FG set up anonymous online accounts.

You opened your own can of worms.

Like something from China.
FG TD getting Gardai to caution professor at an airport over criticism online.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/garda-caution-professor-who-criticised-10756999

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 03:28PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

When did I say you don’t know what your talking about?

LA means Los Angeles , no idea why your so confused. One of the most common acronyms used in the World.

Have you lived in co-living?

Ah now. Seriously, is this where you are now?

"LA MEANS LOS ANGELES HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS???"

Yes, I'm the confused one here. /sar

Your lack of self-awareness is a concern. You should probably go get some air.

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 03:33PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Ah now. Seriously, is this where you are now?

"LA MEANS LOS ANGELES HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS???"

Yes, I'm the confused one here. /sar

Your lack of self-awareness is a concern. You should probably go get some air.

Why the caps? We are all friends here

Type in LA into google and see what comes up

You forgot to tell me about your experience in co-living

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2020 03:40PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why the caps? We are all friends here

The caps are representative of how you've been ranting on about "LA" now for a good long while now.

Type in LA into google and see what comes up

Seriously?

Honestly, just ask one of us what it means and we could tell you. It's okay. Every day can be a school day, even at your age.

You forgot to tell me about your experience in co-living

I didn't forget. I don't understand why it's relevant to you or this discussion.

Must one experience everything to understand everything?

Or can a person extrapolate from various experiences in order to come to some educated and knowledgeable conclusions?

Shefwedfan · 12-08-2020 03:49PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The caps are representative of how you've been ranting on about "LA" now for a good long while now.

Seriously?

Honestly, just ask one of us what it means and we could tell you. It's okay. Every day can be a school day, even at your age.

I didn't forget. I don't understand why it's relevant to you or this discussion.

Must one experience everything to understand everything?

Or can a person extrapolate from various experiences in order to come to some educated and knowledgeable conclusions?

Unfortunately I don’t think you understand what “ranting” means. Have a read over your own last few posts and it will give you an idea.

If you don’t understand that’s ok, we can’t all know everything. You must understand it’s not an educated and knowledgeable conclusion? It’s what I would call uninformed waffle.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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