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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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    #452
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Denmark used other buildings, its great they can think outside the box

    They were centrally procured by the government. That is a system.....figure it out yourselves.....no indemnifying anyone....thats is a different stategy

    There will be a class action case in a few years when the full effects of the virus become apparent


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    #453
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Yup, you're a clown. I stand by that assessment. You suggested classes in pubs supervised by randomers who had been garda vetted, and outdoor tents with dishwashers, broadband and live screening capabilities. You are away with the fairies.


    Denmark used alternative venus
    Blondini wrote: »
    Does your imaginary boss (probably your mother) in work (probably your box room) know you spend 23 hours a day embarrassing yourself on this thread?
    Blondini wrote: »
    Jaysus, a few of the intellectuals have had their weetabix this morning. On fire :pac:

    No sign of tent-boy though. Is he gone in for a factory reset or something?
    Blondini wrote: »
    Look, I'm going to say this, with your repetitive copying and pasting etc, I think you need to get assessed for ASD. I'm deadly serious. I think you need help. No joke.


    Quite the conversationalist arent you. Level 8 degree and a masters and this is the vile that spews out of your mouth

    Why not stomp your feet and pout your lip aswell?

    Frightening if you are in a role responsible for children.


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    #454
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    You are an anonymous troll that spends all day on a teacher's forum. I am just back from sorting the school now, I've no idea what work you do that allows you to spend this much time copying and pasting to a forum


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    #455
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    At 2nd level, students wiping down their own desks is about all I see working during the day if they're leaving one room to go to another. Wudnt have time to do much else.

    Was trying to think this through in school today. Cleaning wipes are good but the cost would be insane in every kid is using 5 or more a day. Antibacterial sprays are not particularly healthy. I was thinking of buying eco spray for the lab, I should be there for most of my classes but for the normal classrooms it's going to be tricky


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    #456
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    You are an anonymous troll that spends all day on a teacher's forum. I am just back from sorting the school now, I've no idea what work you do that allows you to spend this much time copying and pasting to a forum
    Give us your name address and school you work for. You are anonymous..


    What practical things did you implement today while sorting the school? Any space issues? Did you get the uv light for disinfecting in the end?


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    #457
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Give us your name address and school you work for. You are anonymous..


    What practical things did you implement today while sorting the school? Any space issues? Did you get the uv light for disinfecting in the end?

    You know I'm a teacher, no one knows what you do other than it's very important but you have lots of time


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    #458
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Quite the conversationalist arent you. Level 8 degree and a masters and this is the vile that spews out of your mouth

    Why not stomp your feet and pout your lip aswell?

    Frightening if you are in a role responsible for children.

    Look, this is a natural response to what I said. I stand by it. It's my area of expertise.
    Sorry if you took offence.

    (Approx 8000 happy customers and counting btw :) )


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    #459
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,419 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Budget 2020 10.2 billion allocated for eduction
    22 april 2020 10 million funding for ICT in schools
    23 July 2020 375 million funding for schools reopening
    57 million to pay for the extra day in the leap year in 2020

    Budget 2019 education funding increases from 360 million to 11.1 billion - record investment in education

    Theres no lack of funding, there might be an issue with how the money is spent

    Even your figures are wrong. Budget 2019 increased the education budget by 3.4%.


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    #460
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    Was trying to think this through in school today. Cleaning wipes are good but the cost would be insane in every kid is using 5 or more a day. Antibacterial sprays are not particularly healthy. I was thinking of buying eco spray for the lab, I should be there for most of my classes but for the normal classrooms it's going to be tricky

    Yeah, few bottles of eco spray and a bunch of cloths but they prob can't touch same bottles or cloths :)

    If I'm on Period 1 and Period 2 with a class change, I'd have to get the students to wipe tables for last couple of mins before next gang land at the door.

    Presume school wud have developed some procedure on this so everyone does same thing


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    #461
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Even your figures are wrong. Budget 2019 increased the education budget by 3.4%.

    https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2019-press-releases/PR19-10-09-1.html

    09 October, 2019 – Record investment in Education and Skills with hundreds of new teachers and more than 1,000 additional special needs assistants


    Budget increases by €360 million to €11.1 billion as special education, small schools and teaching principals benefit from new investment


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    #462
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,485 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Budget 2020 10.2 billion allocated for eduction
    22 april 2020 10 million funding for ICT in schools
    23 July 2020 375 million funding for schools reopening
    57 million to pay for the extra day in the leap year in 2020

    Budget 2019 education funding increases from 360 million to 11.1 billion - record investment in education


    Will engage on this with you, despite your constant attempts to troll.


    Let me put this in simple terms for you:

    A quick example, the ICT funding was actually money already allocated to schools, so you have been taken in by spin.


    Total health budget for 2020 was to be over €17.4bn - the largest allocation ever, but still needed far more, even before COVID. Are you suggesting that health care should have done with their pre-Covid budgets?



    Have no idea what your random addition of the leap year funding is about, are you saying this only applied to teachers?


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    #463
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,419 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2019-press-releases/PR19-10-09-1.html

    09 October, 2019 – Record investment in Education and Skills with hundreds of new teachers and more than 1,000 additional special needs assistants


    Budget increases by €360 million to €11.1 billion as special education, small schools and teaching principals benefit from new investment

    Go back and look at what I responded to.


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    #464
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,108 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    Was trying to think this through in school today. Cleaning wipes are good but the cost would be insane in every kid is using 5 or more a day. Antibacterial sprays are not particularly healthy. I was thinking of buying eco spray for the lab, I should be there for most of my classes but for the normal classrooms it's going to be tricky
    Would it be possible to ask every pupil to bring in a packet of anti bac wipes ? They are cheap now unless you buy the branded ones and definitely in my area I am sure parents would be happy to give one pack . They could be stored and used over the term , a pack a week or whatever you need .


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    #465
    grind gremlin
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭grind gremlin


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2019-press-releases/PR19-10-09-1.html

    09 October, 2019 – Record investment in Education and Skills with hundreds of new teachers and more than 1,000 additional special needs assistants.

    Budget increases by €360 million to €11.1 billion as special education, small schools and teaching principals benefit from new investment

    If my memory serves me correct, an additional 25,000 students entered the primary school system that year, far in excess of the numbers that were finishing...... additional teachers were to maintain the status quo....

    Edited as I’ve checked the figures. The increases were seen in secondary schools that year and they weren’t in the region of 25k


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    #466
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    Yeah, few bottles of eco spray and a bunch of cloths but they prob can't touch same bottles or cloths :)

    If I'm on Period 1 and Period 2 with a class change, I'd have to get the students to wipe tables for last couple of mins before next gang land at the door.

    Presume school wud have developed some procedure on this so everyone does same thing

    I was thinking of wiping them myself. It's a lab so long benches, I'd be faster and safer doing it myself. It's very different in a lab though, I'm used to cleaning the surfaces between classes, I have sinks, paper towel dispenser etc.

    I can't see kids being able to wipe down desks really. They may not do it properly, you'd need more clothes etc which is just more infection risk. My real concern is looking through the cleaning products in the school, none are really suitable for putting on surfaces a few times a day. Most I wouldn't use in my house


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    #467
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    Will engage on this with you, despite your constant attempts to troll.


    Let me put this in simple terms for you:

    A quick example, the ICT funding was actually money already allocated to schools, so you have been taken in by spin.


    Total health budget for 2020 was to be over €17.4bn - the largest allocation ever, but still needed far more, even before COVID. Are you suggesting that health care should have done with their pre-Covid budgets?



    Have no idea what your random addition of the leap year funding is about, are you saying this only applied to teachers?

    Education isn't doing with its pre covid budgets either. There was 375 million added for additional covid measures.

    If it was already spent, the school still got it.

    Health spending is mismanaged (unless you're going g to tell me it does take a billion to build a new hospital)


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    #468
    Sammy2012
    Registered Users Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Can schools impose mandatory temp checks on kids and send kids home if they refuse or have a temp?


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    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    Can schools impose mandatory temp checks on kids and send kids home if they refuse or have a temp?

    This was not recommended in the guidelines, I assume because the government don't want to pay for them in schools. They mentioned them but to say they weren't recommending even though it's an excellent indicator, more frequently a symptom than a cough. I'm trying to convince our school to get a thermometer gun at the moment. Even just for sick seeming kids


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    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    I was thinking of wiping them myself. It's a lab so long benches, I'd be faster and safer doing it myself. It's very different in a lab though, I'm used to cleaning the surfaces between classes, I have sinks, paper towel dispenser etc.

    I can't see kids being able to wipe down desks really. They may not do it properly, you'd need more clothes etc which is just more infection risk. My real concern is looking through the cleaning products in the school, none are really suitable for putting on surfaces a few times a day. Most I wouldn't use in my house

    Only issue i see with doing it myself is I won't get 24 desks done before the next class arrive and I can't have them outside door while I'm cleaning

    Also can't do it with previous class in the room as I'd be standing on top of them with no SD


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    #471
    kingbhome
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭kingbhome


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    Can schools impose mandatory temp checks on kids and send kids home if they refuse or have a temp?




    No one is allowed to go near .my kids without my permission. If they want to take there temputure randomly, they may phone me so I can be present. That goes for pulling them aside if they they there's any suspicion about anything.


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    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    I'm going to mark the corridor outside, 1m apart in the queue. Hopefully be enough time but your right, it's hard to see it being done correctly every time given the time pressure.

    Rooms today were so right when set up. When you move to the computer, back to the board, it increases the teacher radius massively


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    #473
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    *Hugs* Bananaleaf, and of course meeeeh. You are a very coherent poster and I really respect your views, clearheadedness and willingness to listen. I'm very sorry about your loved ones. I'm missing mine very much too.

    Thank you for that message. It is very nice. Sorry that you are missing your family too.
    elefant wrote: »
    The primary schools re-opened for the general population gradually from the beginning of May, and then fully by the beginning of June.

    We'll see how things pan out...

    Yeah I guess we will do the same.
    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Funny I've read other studies which show that over tens spread it the same as adults.. interesting times ahead but the one thing I hope for is that if and when the sh1t hits the fans in schools that the department step up the mark and don't leave individual schools hung out to dry.

    Amen to that.
    History Queen wrote: »
    You don't understand the situation you are talking about. Causualisation is not about teachers moving schools. It is about jobs being broken up in to 2/3 different low hours positions instead of 1 full time job.

    Which is a really exploitative tactic by principals. If you are hanging around the school on half hours you have the time to take a team/set up a club/do a 'job' for the deputy
    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Yeah was just easier to reply to the one above me ðŸ˜

    Typical lazy teacher :pac: (joke!!)
    square ball wrote: »
    Eh, not exactly.

    The teachers would be giving the same lesson twice in the day as their class would be divided into two. The students would be losing out in 10 hours a week in school but could make up the time with extra homework.

    A good few posts back I outlined a plan similar to this. I also went through the reasons it wouldn't work.
    It is a really good idea, but unfortunately if you are going to have half the kids at home for half the day, this snookers parents. They can't be at home to look after them. Yeah some will be fine, but a lot won't.

    I'll find the post and link it here so you can have a read of it.

    Here you go https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114219525&postcount=134


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    #474
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,485 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    square ball wrote: »
    Would it be possible to change the school day. 1/2 of the students in from say 8 - 12.30, break for a half hour to clean and sanitize. The other 1/2 in from 13.00 to 17.30. Try and keep siblings in at same times if possible.

    Could rotate every couple of weeks. Not ideal for parents but would reduce number of children in schools, numbers coming and going together, lunches etc. Could maintain social distancing with smaller class sizes. Primary students would lose out on about 40 hours per month.

    The time could be made up with some extra home work and remove non essential subjects for the short term.
    What subjects are non-essential?

    At primary, there's no way children would maintain focus from 13.00 to 17.30, having being at home that morning. and good luck getting children out of bed and into school for 8 am- though that's often more down to the parent!



    Trying to go according to siblings sounds good, but in reality, would be extremely difficult , infants to second would be exhausted if they were to be at school until 17.30, even if they weren't starting until 13.00, so would need the morning sessions all of the time. There's a reason teachers try to do " the 3 Rs" in the mornings.



    Trying to schedule PT meetings is hard enough, trying to accommodate class groupings/ buses/pick ups/drop offs would be a logistical nightmare in most schools. SNA access is usually shared these day so again, you'd have difficulties there.



    Considering that many working parents are, being honest (and non-judgemental,) looking on schools to provide child care, a "week on/week off" would be easier for them and for the children as well.


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    #475
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    I'm calling it now.

    With the current numbers, and the pattern of spread across the country, I think the decision on FULL reopening will be reconconsidered by the experts.


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    #476
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,485 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    Just wondering from the parents here have any of the primary schools been in touch asking for the kids to bring their own small bottle of sanitizer and maybe wipes to bring with them to school? I'm thinking about giving them to my kids but have no information from their school so just wondering has anyone else heard anything?
    I'd buy them. Schools are only getting €10 a head for all of the extra cleaning regimes and materials, so one way or another, parents are probably going to end up paying for them -on top of all the other costs :mad:


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    #477
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    kingbhome wrote: »
    No one is allowed to go near .my kids without my permission. If they want to take there temputure randomly, they may phone me so I can be present. That goes for pulling them aside if they they there's any suspicion about anything.

    The guidelines state if I believe a child has symptoms they will be isolated. These are the government guidelines so if you send your child to school you are agreeing to these. I know most parents in my school wouldn't have a problem with checking a child's temperature thankfully


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    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,485 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Schools are to procure using a centralised system that is yet to be developed/launched.
    But will have to pay for any of the materials, as above.


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    #479
    Oranage2
    Registered Users Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Blondini wrote: »
    I'm calling it now.

    With the current numbers, and the pattern of spread across the country, I think the decision on FULL reopening will be reconconsidered by the experts.

    Yeah looks that way.

    People are fed up, they've gone on holidays, they're sick of the masks, they don't have the virus and none of their friends do so they're going to parties and pubs and not social distancing. Numbers look to be steadily increasing.

    I just hope the government don't make a shock decision to open them to prove a point.


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    #480
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Budget 2020 10.2 billion allocated for eduction
    22 april 2020 10 million funding for ICT in schools
    23 July 2020 375 million funding for schools reopening
    57 million to pay for the extra day in the leap year in 2020

    Budget 2019 education funding increases from 360 million to 11.1 billion - record investment in education

    Theres no lack of funding, there might be an issue with how the money is spent

    Glad to see you can copy and paste. You appear to be posting within tent, with intent.


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    #481
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,108 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    The guidelines state if I believe a child has symptoms they will be isolated. These are the government guidelines so if you send your child to school you are agreeing to these. I know most parents in my school wouldn't have a problem with checking a child's temperature thankfully

    The vast majority of parents would be absolutely fine with a child temperature being checked . I think most people know its in the childs best interest
    Creche staff often take temps and make sure a child is comfortable .


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