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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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  • #8972
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    This gave me a good laugh.

    I’m highly entertained by your posts too!!!


  • #8973
    KerryConnor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭KerryConnor


    I've missed most posts on this thread but all i've seen have been teachers wanting to get back to work safely and discussing how to do that. I didn't see it but i wouldn't mind posts about 'snot monsters' too much.... Would remind me of how the kindest, funniest teacher on our staff talks about the kids ... But he adores the kids and they re mad about him. Don't get cynical about teachers in ireland, i m only teaching 7 years but think they're a great bunch. Cant think of a single teacher in my school who doesn't care about the kids and isnt genuinely interested in teaching to the point of being able to talk for hours about it


  • #8974
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    To the likes of fringegirl and her use of quotes from some posters. Personally I suspect some of those posters are neither teachers or parents. They come on and talk rubbish and say things to get under the skin of people like your good self who will take them at face value.

    There is one poster who has since been thread banned who passed themselves off as a teacher but it's an plainly obvious that they aren't and never were.

    Not everything had to be a battle. Those of us who are obviously teachers want to go back but there is no harm in wanting to do so in as safe a manner for all concerned. The flaws in this plan are very obvious and we would be doing a disservice to everyone if they weren't pointed out.

    I'm involved with the INTO and they have gone back with a huge list of issues that have been raised since the plan was published. Expect version 2.0 to be released around August 10th at the earliest with amendments.


  • #8975
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    You missed your calling, you should have been a psychologist :rolleyes:

    I may well be. I hope you’re not jumping to conclusions again me auld china.


  • #8976
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is amazing to see so many well-educated teachers willing to ignore the professional advice from NPHET and give in to their irrational fears.

    The risk in schools is low. The sooner they are back, the better.


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  • #8977
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    I try not to read or post here as a teacher any more because I will be attacked or undermined no matter what I say. It doesn’t matter how hard I worked, whether I’m worried for me, my students or the extended community it’s all turned into ‘you are lazy and won’t go back to work and should be on the covid payment’. The sniping, nit picking and constant belittling of teaching on boards in general is depressing


  • #8978
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    pwurple wrote: »
    The schools are already open. Jammed to the gills with summer arts camps, summer Lego camps, starcamp, summer provision classes. There has been no spike in cases in children.

    Let's just get on with it.

    There are no schools currently "jammed to the gills". Any summer camps are strictly managed. If you're aware of schools that are "jammed to the gills" you should make them known here so that people are aware of reckless behaviour by summer camp providers.


  • #8979
    KerryConnor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭KerryConnor


    I agree he didn't seem to know the details of the guidelines.
    Murple wrote: »
    I caught the end of an interview with Prof Luke O' Neill who was asked about the plans for reopening schools. He seemed happy with them and said we were following 'best practice' measures of social distancing, hand washing, wearing masks (think he must have read a different document to the one I read).


  • #8980
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    I try not to read or post here as a teacher any more because I will be attacked or undermined no matter what I say. It doesn’t matter how hard I worked, whether I’m worried for me, my students or the extended community it’s all turned into ‘you are lazy and won’t go back to work and should be on the covid payment’. The sniping, nit picking and constant belittling of teaching on boards in general is depressing

    Thank God for the other thread where things are teased out without the teacher bashers.


  • #8981
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    I try not to read or post here as a teacher any more because I will be attacked or undermined no matter what I say. It doesn’t matter how hard I worked, whether I’m worried for me, my students or the extended community it’s all turned into ‘you are lazy and won’t go back to work and should be on the covid payment’. The sniping, nit picking and constant belittling of teaching on boards in general is depressing

    Seems to be from parents who can't stand their own children and want them out the door as soon as possible.


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  • #8982
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    KerryConnor wrote: »
    I agree he didn't seem to know the details of the guidelines.

    MCConkey was the same the other day. They should stick to what they know and if venturing into a different field they should at.least do some reading of the basic facts of the situation.


  • #8983
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Thank God for the other thread where things are teased out without the teacher bashers.

    I couldnt believe that thread and another I found, they are so nice and people actually respect other opinions and dont try to deprofessionalise people when they disagree. I wish the teachers bashers were weeded out of here as they are there.


  • #8984
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Seems to be from parents who can't stand their own children and want them out the door as soon as possible.

    I would love to home-school our kids, better outcomes in general, this is a perfect opportunity to do it, if employers or financial institutions would compromise too.

    Most parents don't want their kids out the door, they want them educated, the current choice is schools, if that is not going to happen, then an alternative involving all of society, needs to happen, and fast.


  • #8985
    khalessi
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    It is amazing to see so many well-educated teachers willing to ignore the professional advice from NPHET and give in to their irrational fears.

    The risk in schools is low. The sooner they are back, the better.

    As has been mentioned here before a few times, NPhet have been behind the ball a few times on certain things, like masks as they were trying to save the supply for HCW so didnt promote them until there were ample stock.

    There are now numerous studies showing children transmit the virus as easily as adults. So teachers are not asking for schools to be closed but for proper safety measures. It is amazing that posters here see restrictions in all walks of life everyday and yet are happy enough to think it is ok to just open the schools willy nilly.

    We get it, the schools need to be reopened, the economy has to get back on its feet at all costs, but the children should not be the cost and doing it safely for them should be paramount. No one is saying dont open schools what is being said is open them properly and safely. Maybe the well educated teachers opinions should be trusted for once.


  • #8986
    Deeec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,794 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Im a parent not a teacher. I joined this thread because I was annoyed at how parents were portrayed as lazy/useless when it came to homeschooling. I dont agree with teacher bashing but I also dont agree with parent bashing. I believe there are very very few bad teachers out there.

    I think the teachers on here all have very valid points - the plan to go back to school by the DOE is very poorly thought out and is doomed to fail. A part time return to school would be a much better and safer approach - I think this have facilitated a safer return for everybody.


  • #8987
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    froog wrote: »
    Thats not true at all. There are tons of teachers in this country working in other disciplines cause they cant get teaching work, or working part time sub teacher hours where they can get them.

    Have you ever been involved in hiring in the greater Dublin area? We haven't had the correct number and subject mix of teachers in 5 years starting September. Irish teachers are rarer than a statistician in the DOE. We will come back again this year down at least a teacher. Every other school I know is the same. The 2000 people on the TC registration are almost exclusively abroad or retired teachers who maintain the number so they can be paid to correct exams (about 10-15%) of all SEC correctors. I didnt know a single qualified teacher without a job in Dublin last year, we had two people with degrees just in supervising as we couldn't get any teacher of any subject. If you were reading any of the comments from actual teachers here you would know that.

    Factor in the rake of retirements in October and the idea that there are 1000 teachers in the country is a joke. Population wise a third would need to be in Dublin at least......we couldn't find one last year


  • #8988
    mirrorwall14
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    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    Have you ever been involved in hiring in the greater Dublin area? We haven't had the correct number and subject mix of teachers in 5 years starting September. Irish teachers are rarer than a statistician in the DOE. We will come back again this year down at least a teacher. Every other school I know is the same. The 2000 people on the TC registration are almost exclusively abroad or retired teachers who maintain the number so they can be paid to correct exams (about 10-15%) of all SEC correctors. I didnt know a single qualified teacher without a job in Dublin last year, we had two people with degrees just in supervising as we couldn't get any teacher of any subject. If you were reading any of the comments from actual teachers here you would know that.

    Factor in the rake of retirements in October and the idea that there are 1000 teachers in the country is a joke. Population wise a third would need to be in Dublin at least......we couldn't find one last year

    We have had at least three (off the top of my head) unqualified teachers with just a degree teaching full timetables across maths and Irish. There was literally no applications for the roles. My first maternity they got teachers. By three years later when another maths teacher got pregnant there was one applicant. He left six weeks later for a more secure job (couldn’t blame him). We were without a teacher for an extended period, the TYs has no teacher I think until after Christmas. The timetable had to be redone to try and jiggle teachers and our VP had to go back into the classroom to try and get us through.

    Getting subs and even applicants for jobs is insanely difficult


  • #8989
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    froog wrote: »
    Thats not true at all. There are tons of teachers in this country working in other disciplines cause they cant get teaching work, or working part time sub teacher hours where they can get them.
    Deeec wrote: »
    Im a parent not a teacher. I joined this thread because I was annoyed at how parents were portrayed as lazy/useless when it came to homeschooling. I dont agree with teacher bashing but I also dont agree with parent bashing. I believe there are very very few bad teachers out there.

    I think the teachers on here all have very valid points - the plan to go back to school by the DOE is very poorly thought out and is doomed to fail. A part time return to school would be a much better and safer approach - I think this have facilitated a safer return for everybody.

    I'd have even been happy with this for a month so we could have had time to train the kids and figure out how the 6 months have effected them at home. I'd probably have taken 1st and 6th in full time. Half time for the others. I'd be a lot faster figuring out where a kid was at emotional and educationally if I had 15 in front of me as opposed to 30. You'd also have the option of taking the kids who really struggled with remote learning in groups and doing training etc. We would have time to get used to the system. The kids would have time without the school being mental. 4-6 weeks of this before everyone was back would have been ideal.

    To be clear, one way or another I am back to work the last week in August. The question is whether every single child needs to come back at once, maskless into unsuitable rooms. Half time would have meant the work needed to be done could have been done over 10 weeks


  • #8990
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    We have had at least three (off the top of my head) unqualified teachers with just a degree teaching full timetables across maths and Irish. There was literally no applications for the roles. My first maternity they got teachers. By three years later when another maths teacher got pregnant there was one applicant. He left six weeks later for a more secure job (couldn’t blame him). We were without a teacher for an extended period, the TYs has no teacher I think until after Christmas. The timetable had to be redone to try and jiggle teachers and our VP had to go back into the classroom to try and get us through.

    Getting subs and even applicants for jobs is insanely difficult

    Fairly common to get no applicants in Irish. If parents in Dublin think this isn't going to get worse hey are mad. I don't even know if most of them are aware that the standard of teaching in country will be much more consistent than in Dublin


  • #8991
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,035 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Deeec wrote: »
    Im a parent not a teacher. I joined this thread because I was annoyed at how parents were portrayed as lazy/useless when it came to homeschooling. I dont agree with teacher bashing but I also dont agree with parent bashing. I believe there are very very few bad teachers out there.

    I think the teachers on here all have very valid points - the plan to go back to school by the DOE is very poorly thought out and is doomed to fail. A part time return to school would be a much better and safer approach - I think this have facilitated a safer return for everybody.

    So am I, were cherry picking which science to believe, there can be no safe return to anything with open borders. If Teachers should be shouting for anything it's that.
    We have another study posted this morning saying 5 and under carry a higher viral load than adults. It might not harm the kids but it'll harm you, me and the School staff if they pass it on.


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  • #8992
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    We have had at least three (off the top of my head) unqualified teachers with just a degree teaching full timetables across maths and Irish. There was literally no applications for the roles. My first maternity they got teachers. By three years later when another maths teacher got pregnant there was one applicant. He left six weeks later for a more secure job (couldn’t blame him). We were without a teacher for an extended period, the TYs has no teacher I think until after Christmas. The timetable had to be redone to try and jiggle teachers and our VP had to go back into the classroom to try and get us through.

    Getting subs and even applicants for jobs is insanely difficult

    Primary is the same, we cant get the teachers. It has been that way for a number of years and has been bbrought up with the Department a number of times to no avail. Teachers have been unable to pursue further study as they couldnt get cover for the necessary days off. In 7 or so years working in SET, I have probably had one year when I got to do my job most of the time. Normally I end up providing cover for teachers and the ones who need it most suffer and this will only get worse in the year coming.


  • #8993
    Alrigghtythen
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    KerryConnor wrote: »
    I agree he didn't seem to know the details of the guidelines.

    Did he say anything about some teachers wanting the department to come to their class and point out commonly touched items for them?

    This is a door handle. Many people touch it. Etc?


  • #8994
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    This is what's really saddening about this whole thing and the attitudes towards kids in this thread.

    The children are treated like subhuman pawns and merely an afterthought.

    "snot monsters", "harbingers of death" to mention a few recent descriptions and God forbid a hurt child might want to seek comfort from their teacher, they'll be told to step back (prior to virus might I add).

    It's eye opening and saddening state of affairs from people who chose to be mentors to these kids in the first place.

    But no let's just cover up their faces and keep them the hell away, sure what say should they have in it.

    Teachers might need to learn a thing or two from the very children they teach.

    So much for debate about the issues. That is nothing but a hate filled comment and in no way representative of the views expressed by the teachers on this forum.

    More like an exercise in trolling than anything else.

    Plenty of countries have masks in schools. If I thought they would be used properly I would fully support the use of masks but I worry they will be taken off and on too often.

    As for keeping apart that is per Govt, HSE, WHO, NPHET instructions.

    But no, for some it is just teachers been nasty.

    I'm actually surprised at this comment, I really thought you were better than that.


  • #8995
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    blanch152 wrote: »

    The risk in schools is low.

    The risk in school is zero.

    They have been closed since March.


  • #8996
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Empty buildings in general have low infectivity. Not a single case for months in a nightclub either ....


  • #8997
    wirelessdude01
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    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    Empty buildings in general have low infectivity. Not a single case for months in a nightclub either ....

    Fauci in The US made that very point yesterday. Schools have been closed so they have an extremely low dataset from which to try and project or document anything with regards to children. Openly said that schools will be forming part of an 'experiment'.


  • #8998
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Israel opening and kept good stats, once they fully reopened they were closed in 3 weeks. They have the same class sizes as us. Numbers matter. No point talking about Denmark and their 10/12 per class. If your offering me the Danish system, I'll go back tomorrow.


  • #8999
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Fauci in The US made that very point yesterday. Schools have been closed so they have an extremely low dataset from which to try and project or document anything with regards to children. Openly said that schools will be forming part of an 'experiment'.

    Everything since those lockdowns has been an experiment. It's a little disingenuous to suggest schools are any more or less of one than opening restaurants, for example, or kids football training and playing matches again.


  • #9000
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Everything since those lockdowns has been an experiment. It's a little disingenuous to suggest schools are any more or less of one than opening restaurants, for example, or kids football training and playing matches again.

    Matches and training outdoors where you're 18 times less likely to catch it

    Restaurants don't deal in the numbers, time spent on premises or density of people that schools will. Even at that, restaurants use visors, masks, SD, disposable menus etc


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  • #9001
    combat14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭combat14


    just seen that millions of homes in northern England (greater Manchester and Yorkshire areas) have gone back into lockdown

    Less than half of adults fully respecting social distancing – UK ONS

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/30/lockdown-tightened-in-parts-of-northern-england-with-ban-on-indoor-meetings

    we are going to need serious health and safety induction before letting students into schools and frequent reminders too

    there will have to be immediate sanctions for staff and students if they dont adhere to regulations


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