How will schools be able to go back in September?

wirelessdude01

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Community Centres, Halls, Hotels & Venues available for hire In Dundalk, Blackrock, Dromiskin, Collon, Ardee, Drogheda, Carrickmacross, Shercock, Slane, Navan, Forkhill, Cooley, Ravensdale and more.

https://www.pelican.ie/category/community-centres-and-halls

The Lisdoo is a bloody bar/pub/restaurant.

History Queen

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Community Centres, Halls, Hotels & Venues available for hire In Dundalk, Blackrock, Dromiskin, Collon, Ardee, Drogheda, Carrickmacross, Shercock, Slane, Navan, Forkhill, Cooley, Ravensdale and more.

https://www.pelican.ie/category/community-centres-and-halls

what is this in relation to?

Icantthinkof1

If schools reached out to parents for cleaning supplies or even pay a contribution towards cleaning supplies I would imagine a lot of parents would chip in.
I know not every parent may be able to contribute but many would.

Alrigghtythen

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

The Lisdoo is a bloody bar/pub/restaurant.

Well then it should be available as they are closed

wirelessdude01

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Well then it should be available as they are closed

Fully open. Passed it the other day.

So you think it would be appropriate to have classes in a pub? Heard it all now.

khalessi

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

If schools reached out to parents for cleaning supplies or even pay a contribution towards cleaning supplies I would imagine a lot of parents would chip in.
I know not every parent may be able to contribute but many would.

I think they would too but I think that the Dept would have a bloody cheek to be honest to put parents in that position when they can just step up to the mark and provide the proper funding. Parents already contribute enough through buying books and uniforms for their free education and vol contributions, sorry if that sounds bad but the Dept have no idea how much parents subsidise education in this country.

History Queen

khalessi wrote: »

I think they would too but I think that the Dept would have a bloody cheek to be honest to put parents in that position when they can just step up to the mark and provide the proper funding. Parents already contribute enough through buying books and uniforms for their free education and vol contributions, sorry if that sounds bad but the Dept have no idea how much parents subsidise education in this country.

I agree with you. Between parents and teachers we are constantly propping up a very broken system that's why I was wary of suggesting it.

iamwhoiam

History Queen wrote: »

I'd echo the previous poster's concern re having more footfall in the building. Perhaps parents who were in a position to do so could donate cleaning supplies instead so that most of the cleaning budget allocated by the Dept could go towards a cleaner/deep cleaning? (Wary of suggesting this as I completely understand parents should not have to fund this and pay enough in other school expenses) if every classroom had supplies the teacher and students could wipe down their own desks/areas and cleaners could concentrate on deeper cleans/common areas etc.

Thats a very good suggestion Thanks !
I would love to go in at 2:45 and give the desks and chairs a good scour ! But fully understand the logistics of that is a problem
But would definitely be happy to hand over my stash of Dettol I procured back in April !

khalessi

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Well then it should be available as they are closed

Just wondering what is your agenda?

Anyhow get on to these crowd with those suggestions

https://www.education.ie/en/The-Department/Management-Organisation/Planning-Building-Unit.html

Loafing Oaf

History Queen wrote: »

what is this in relation to?

'Republican activities', going by the places in question:P

Smacruairi

khalessi wrote: »

Just wondering what is your agenda?

Either govt shill or WUM. Has been exposed plenty of times now at this stage. Suggesting classes in pubs and omitting 1/3 of the school population and those with additional needs for the greater good.

Claims he can divide by zero too. Excellent stuff.

lulublue22

I find the ignore button good. It filters out the wum / teacher bashers and keeps the headwrecking hyperboyle to a minimum. You seemingly can’t highlight concerns with the reopening plan as that actually means you want to keep the schools closed for 4 years . Seriously ???

jimmytwotimes 2013

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Community Centres, Halls, Hotels & Venues available for hire In Dundalk, Blackrock, Dromiskin, Collon, Ardee, Drogheda, Carrickmacross, Shercock, Slane, Navan, Forkhill, Cooley, Ravensdale and more.

https://www.pelican.ie/category/community-centres-and-halls

Staycations proving really popular this summer.

You'll hardly stay in all of them

wirelessdude01

https://www.independent.ie/videos/explainer-back-to-school-2020-how-will-irish-schools-operate-in-new-normal-39411581.html

As I watched this a question popped into my head, who is going to be assigning seats on the bus? This is hardly going to be landed on us is it?

timmy_mallet

combat14 wrote: »

there will have to be immediate sanctions for staff and students if they dont adhere to regulations

There's definitely an underlying joy some people get from playing the tough-guy, isn't there?

the corpo

Good article on airborne transmission in the Atlantic today
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/why-arent-we-talking-more-about-airborne-transmission/614737/?fbclid=IwAR3RDsT9iDl6feMhVhov48P9r-yvZ2l91jGOcbp89auuLBinRehAfPFt75g

Consider schools, perhaps the most fraught topic for millions. Classrooms are places of a lot of talking; children are not going to be perfect at social distancing; and the more people in a room, the more opportunities for aerosols to accumulate if the ventilation is poor. Most of these ventilation issues are addressable, sometimes by free or inexpensive methods, and sometimes by costly investments in infrastructure that should be a national priority.

Some good suggestions in there as well, like buying portable HEPA filters, cheap enough and capable of trapping smaller virus particles.

Murple

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Fully open. Passed it the other day.

So you think it would be appropriate to have classes in a pub? Heard it all now.

Might be on to something there...!!

Alrigghtythen

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Fully open. Passed it the other day.

So you think it would be appropriate to have classes in a pub? Heard it all now.

It was you who choose the pub

Alrigghtythen

History Queen wrote: »

what is this in relation to?

Some Teachers were saying they were short community centres for satellite classes. One area has 6 schools with no gyms and a very expensive community centre the bom weren't prepared to pay for.

It would be good to get an idea of what centres are about. Help them out .

iamwhoiam

lulublue22 wrote: »

I find the ignore button good. It filters out the wum / teacher bashers and keeps the headwrecking hyperboyle to a minimum. You seemingly can’t highlight concerns with the reopening plan as that actually means you want to keep the schools closed for 4 years . Seriously ???

While I fully agree about the teacher bashing and you are right to ignore , there are one or two who pop a parent bashing post every now and again . I tend to ignore that as its not beneficial either .

I must say thankfully when mine were young that parents and teacher really pulled together and it was lovely . Possibly it is not so now but in my own area I see quite a lot of support for teachers still

khalessi

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Some Teachers were saying they were short community centres for satellite classes. One area has 6 schools with no gyms and a very expensive community centre the bom weren't prepared to pay for.

It would be good to get an idea of what centres are about. Help them out .

Did you pass the information on to the planning and buildings unit in Dept of Ed as they deal with procurement of buildings?

wirelessdude01

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

It was you who choose the pub

Just pointing out that a building you suggested is a pub. Not suitable.

I know quite a few of the buildings on that list and some of them aren't suitable at all. Some I know for definite already have pre-existing bookings for years and years during the school day that render them not available. The community hall that we use as 'our' PE hall is only available to us to use for 8 hours over the course of the week and often we'll get an email saying that a paying customer has taken our slots as it is.

History Queen

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Some Teachers were saying they were short community centres for satellite classes. One area has 6 schools with no gyms and a very expensive community centre the bom weren't prepared to pay for.

It would be good to get an idea of what centres are about. Help them out .

Oh right. I read that exchange earlier. I understand your thinking on the extra space alright but don't think it'd work from a staffing perspective at post primary level anyway. And it's not so much that a BOM wouldn't be willing to fund it as they couldn't afford to fund it I'd imagine.

I can't see a solution that will enable the full time return of all students while adhering to the guidelines issued. I've been trying to figure out ways of making it happen in my own school context but keep getting caught on capacity and staffing.

jrosen

I would be reluctant to pay for cleaning supplies, I feel its the job of the department and if teachers funding supplies is as widespread as those on here have said its about time the dept saw the real costs. The more parents and staff bridge the gap the more the dept get off.

History Queen

jrosen wrote: »

I would be reluctant to pay for cleaning supplies, I feel its the job of the department and if teachers funding supplies is as widespread as those on here have said its about time the dept saw the real costs. The more parents and staff bridge the gap the more the dept get off.

You're absolutely correct.

I've been saying for years we should cut our cloth to our measure and not ask parents for any contributions/do no fundraising/supply nothing extra ourselves and when issues arise send them straight to the Department (or The Irish Times).

Obviously though this can't happen as no parent wants their child used in this manner and no teacher wants to work in the types of conditions this would necessitate. If every school did it en masse for a year it'd be really telling though.

iamwhoiam

jrosen wrote: »

I would be reluctant to pay for cleaning supplies, I feel its the job of the department and if teachers funding supplies is as widespread as those on here have said its about time the dept saw the real costs. The more parents and staff bridge the gap the more the dept get off.

Its the same in Health . Paediatric hospitals and clinics are underfunded and propped up with donations and parents presents . While it shouldn’t be so its a fact and without that input the kids would suffer
The donations of toys and playstations etc is always gratefully recieved

jimmytwotimes 2013

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I must say thankfully when mine were young that parents and teacher really pulled together and it was lovely . Possibly it is not so now but in my own area I see quite a lot of support for teachers still

The strong working relationships between teachers-parents-students still exist. This place is not representative of that reality.

When we go back to school, we'll meet students, they'll be full of chat and news. We'll discuss the crisis, they'll give their view on things, we'll do some work, we'll have a bit of craic to lighten the mood etc

Parents will be free to contribute to the fabric of the school through the parents associations, BOMs or simply by picking up the phone.

Students will be back to chatting bout soccer, GAA, what their siblings are at, how crap the weather was, the students who didn't engage in online learning will be told its good to see they've decided to come back to school etc.

None of these aspects to student-teacher relationships are represented here.

Students are quite funny and full of life, good craic to be around and we even get some work done too.

Birdy

At least the school desks will get cleaned now. Usually happens once a year in most schools if the teacher doesn't do it themselves.

BonsaiKitten

iamwhoiam wrote: »

While I fully agree about the teacher bashing and you are right to ignore , there are one or two who pop a parent bashing post every now and again . I tend to ignore that as its not beneficial either .

I must say thankfully when mine were young that parents and teacher really pulled together and it was lovely . Possibly it is not so now but in my own area I see quite a lot of support for teachers still

I think it is still that way, in the main. The vast majority of parents I deal with are lovely people - sure you get the occasional headcase but that’s not unique to teaching.

jrosen wrote: »

I would be reluctant to pay for cleaning supplies, I feel its the job of the department and if teachers funding supplies is as widespread as those on here have said its about time the dept saw the real costs. The more parents and staff bridge the gap the more the dept get off.

I absolutely agree with you here and I would not like to ask parents for money for classroom cleaning supplies (but then I don’t buy my own, so it’s easy for me to say that). I’ve often thought that the INTO should run a campaign highlighting the realities of school underfunding. I think if people saw how little is provided for by the state they’d be up in arms.

Now before someone tells me to start it up, I have actually taken that to the INTO before and got nowhere.

timmy_mallet

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

The strong working relationships between teachers-parents-students still exist. This place is not representative of that reality.

When we go back to school, we'll meet students, they'll be full of chat and news. We'll discuss the crisis, they'll give their view on things, we'll do some work, we'll have a bit of craic to lighten the mood etc

Parents will be free to contribute to the fabric of the school through the parents associations, BOMs or simply by picking up the phone.

Students will be back to chatting bout soccer, GAA, what their siblings are at, how crap the weather was, the students who didn't engage in online learning will be told its good to see they've decided to come back to school etc.

None of these aspects to student-teacher relationships are represented here.

Students are quite funny and full of life, good craic to be around and we even get some work done too.

And a week later, the schools'll be shut again, for the foreseeable. End.