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How will schools be able to go back in September?

shoppergal

Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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namloc1980

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

I try not to read or post here as a teacher any more because I will be attacked or undermined no matter what I say. It doesn’t matter how hard I worked, whether I’m worried for me, my students or the extended community it’s all turned into ‘you are lazy and won’t go back to work and should be on the covid payment’. The sniping, nit picking and constant belittling of teaching on boards in general is depressing

Seems to be from parents who can't stand their own children and want them out the door as soon as possible.

wirelessdude01

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

I try not to read or post here as a teacher any more because I will be attacked or undermined no matter what I say. It doesn’t matter how hard I worked, whether I’m worried for me, my students or the extended community it’s all turned into ‘you are lazy and won’t go back to work and should be on the covid payment’. The sniping, nit picking and constant belittling of teaching on boards in general is depressing

Thank God for the other thread where things are teased out without the teacher bashers.

KerryConnor

I agree he didn't seem to know the details of the guidelines.

Murple wrote: »

I caught the end of an interview with Prof Luke O' Neill who was asked about the plans for reopening schools. He seemed happy with them and said we were following 'best practice' measures of social distancing, hand washing, wearing masks (think he must have read a different document to the one I read).

namloc1980

pwurple wrote: »

The schools are already open. Jammed to the gills with summer arts camps, summer Lego camps, starcamp, summer provision classes. There has been no spike in cases in children.

Let's just get on with it.

There are no schools currently "jammed to the gills". Any summer camps are strictly managed. If you're aware of schools that are "jammed to the gills" you should make them known here so that people are aware of reckless behaviour by summer camp providers.

mirrorwall14

I try not to read or post here as a teacher any more because I will be attacked or undermined no matter what I say. It doesn’t matter how hard I worked, whether I’m worried for me, my students or the extended community it’s all turned into ‘you are lazy and won’t go back to work and should be on the covid payment’. The sniping, nit picking and constant belittling of teaching on boards in general is depressing

blanch152

It is amazing to see so many well-educated teachers willing to ignore the professional advice from NPHET and give in to their irrational fears.

The risk in schools is low. The sooner they are back, the better.

downthemiddle

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

You missed your calling, you should have been a psychologist :rolleyes:

I may well be. I hope you’re not jumping to conclusions again me auld china.

wirelessdude01

To the likes of fringegirl and her use of quotes from some posters. Personally I suspect some of those posters are neither teachers or parents. They come on and talk rubbish and say things to get under the skin of people like your good self who will take them at face value.

There is one poster who has since been thread banned who passed themselves off as a teacher but it's an plainly obvious that they aren't and never were.

Not everything had to be a battle. Those of us who are obviously teachers want to go back but there is no harm in wanting to do so in as safe a manner for all concerned. The flaws in this plan are very obvious and we would be doing a disservice to everyone if they weren't pointed out.

I'm involved with the INTO and they have gone back with a huge list of issues that have been raised since the plan was published. Expect version 2.0 to be released around August 10th at the earliest with amendments.

KerryConnor

I've missed most posts on this thread but all i've seen have been teachers wanting to get back to work safely and discussing how to do that. I didn't see it but i wouldn't mind posts about 'snot monsters' too much.... Would remind me of how the kindest, funniest teacher on our staff talks about the kids ... But he adores the kids and they re mad about him. Don't get cynical about teachers in ireland, i m only teaching 7 years but think they're a great bunch. Cant think of a single teacher in my school who doesn't care about the kids and isnt genuinely interested in teaching to the point of being able to talk for hours about it

downthemiddle

Lillyfae wrote: »

This gave me a good laugh.

I’m highly entertained by your posts too!!!

jimmytwotimes 2013

Lillyfae wrote: »

To be honest I've been seeking information outside of this thread in the last 24 hours and I've mostly come to the conclusion that this is a poorly representative echo chamber thankfully. There are a lot of opinions of teachers in the media since the plans/resources were announced and as far as I can see they're mostly positive, and raring to get back to their classrooms.

The schools aren't reopening in the context of exploding numbers a few months ago, they're opening in the context of community transmission being low. Wear masks (don't know why this is even an argument here because 0 people are preventing it), demonstrate good hand hygiene and keep social distancing where possible. If everyone does this then there shouldn't be any big problems.

I think most here know this thread is a joke. I've said it here for weeks. I come here for entertainment at this stage.

There are threads elsewhere (not saying where cos the same posters will derail those too if they find them) that are quite informative. They discuss issues arising in a reasoned way and every point raised isn't seen as an excuse not to work, rather issues to be teased out.

I mentioned that masks would be required, at 2nd level, on the day the guidelines were issued and that led to a day of WUMs landing in making out like introducing masks amounted to an abuse of the students' rights when it was simply a way of reducing risk.

This thread is a joke, don't take it seriously.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

downthemiddle wrote: »

From my observations (see what I did there), those most critical of teachers are people who would not be able to teach themselves. They wanted to be teachers, but didn’t achieve their ambitions. They now carry their chip around like a badge of honour, criticising teachers at every opportunity. They know, without fear of contradiction, that they could do a far superior job. Unable to move on from their failure that defines their life they look for every opportunity to undermine the role of teachers. You really would have to pity them.

You missed your calling, you should have been a psychologist :rolleyes:

Lillyfae

downthemiddle wrote: »

From my observations (see what I did there), those most critical of teachers are people who would not be able to teach themselves. They wanted to be teachers, but didn’t achieve their ambitions. They now carry their chip around like a badge of honour, criticising teachers at every opportunity. They know, without fear of contradiction, that they could do a far superior job. Unable to move on from their failure that defines their life they look for every opportunity to undermine the role of teachers. You really would have to pity them.

This gave me a good laugh.

khalessi

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Lucky I know quite a few decent ones IRL, they'd cringe at the attitude of some on here to be honest.

I wouldn't base my opinion of a whole profession on a bunch of random online posters.

Just as we dont see your posts or a few others as indicative of all parents.

It is shocking how you use children to have a go a go at teachers, how you will not teacher bash outright but for months have liked the posts of anyone who will have a go despite their vitriol.

We all see them for who they are and it is sad that the children who apparently are treated like subhuman pawns in your eyes by teachers who are calling out for extra or proper protection for those children, strange how that is misconstrued, then will have to go to home to houses filled with such negativity.

It must be hard trying to succeed in education in a house filled with the vitriol shown by some in this thread and the other 6 threads since March against teachers and education in general. The stress on the children when they go back will be awful though having lived with that.

Lillyfae

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Lucky I know quite a few decent ones IRL, they'd cringe at the attitude of some on here to be honest.

I wouldn't base my opinion of a whole profession on a bunch of random online posters.

To be honest I've been seeking information outside of this thread in the last 24 hours and I've mostly come to the conclusion that this is a poorly representative echo chamber thankfully. There are a lot of opinions of teachers in the media since the plans/resources were announced and as far as I can see they're mostly positive, and raring to get back to their classrooms. They're worried about creating a secure space for them, and being able to ease the anxieties that many children have developed over the last few months.

The schools aren't reopening in the context of exploding numbers a few months ago, they're opening in the context of community transmission being low. Wear masks (don't know why this is even an argument here because 0 people are preventing it), demonstrate good hand hygiene and keep social distancing where possible. If everyone does this then there shouldn't be any big problems.

downthemiddle

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Sorry to see this thread has turned you against teachers, you used to post so positively about their efforts. Sorry to see you get so cynical

From my observations (see what I did there), those most critical of teachers are people who would not be able to teach themselves. They wanted to be teachers, but didn’t achieve their ambitions. They now carry their chip around like a badge of honour, criticising teachers at every opportunity. They know, without fear of contradiction, that they could do a far superior job. Unable to move on from their failure that defines their life they look for every opportunity to undermine the role of teachers. You really would have to pity them.

froog

am_zarathustra wrote: »

Extra teachers, I'll eat my hat of we have the same number of teachers as last year.....there are no extra teachers in the country. There will be no one to take extra students. Supervision will be done by garda cleared randomers who will have a wonderful time telling a bunch of rowdy kids to stay in their seats with having had training or the experience of a teacher

Thats not true at all. There are tons of teachers in this country working in other disciplines cause they cant get teaching work, or working part time sub teacher hours where they can get them.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Sorry to see this thread has turned you against teachers, you used to post so positively about their efforts. Sorry to see you get so cynical

Lucky I know quite a few decent ones IRL, they'd cringe or laugh at the attitude of some on here to be honest.

I wouldn't base my opinion of a whole profession on a bunch of random online posters.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

khalessi wrote: »

Yes it is sad, that children are treated like that by the Department who feel it is ok to experiment with them

It is sad will that some people will use them like pawns to have a go at teachers but not unexpected.

It is sad that the proper plans were not put in place.

It is sad that while teachers are getting on with it as pwrple suggested and pointing out flaws teacher bashers come out of the woodwork to use it against them

It is sad that while teachers look for ways to keep them safe they are slated for it

So the way children have been spoken about by some posters here is OK then? That's not the department so you can't blame them for the attitudes towards kids.

It's not right and clearly some need to get out of the teaching profession for good.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

This is what's really saddening about this whole thing and the attitudes towards kids in this thread.

The children are treated like subhuman pawns and merely an afterthought.

"snot monsters", "harbingers of death" to mention a few recent descriptions and God forbid a hurt child might want to seek comfort from their teacher, they'll be told to step back (prior to virus might I add).

It's eye opening and saddening state of affairs from people who chose to be mentors to these kids in the first place.

But no let's just cover up their faces and keep them the hell away, sure what say should they have in it.

Teachers might need to learn a thing or two from the very children they teach.

Sorry to see this thread has turned you against teachers, you used to post so positively about their efforts. Sorry to see you get so cynical

khalessi

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

This is what's really saddening about this whole thing and the attitudes towards kids in this thread.

The children are treated like subhuman pawns and merely an afterthought.

"snot monsters", "harbingers of death" to mention a few recent descriptions and God forbid a hurt child might want to seek comfort from their teacher, they'll be told to step back (prior to virus might I add).

It's eye opening and saddening state of affairs from people who chose to be mentors to these kids in the first place.

But no let's just cover up their faces and keep them the hell away, sure what say should they have in it.

Teachers might need to learn a thing or two from the very children they teach.

Yes it is sad, that children are treated like that by the Department who feel it is ok to experiment with them

It is sad will that some people will use them like pawns to have a go at teachers but not unexpected.

It is sad that the proper plans were not put in place.

It is sad that while teachers are getting on with it as pwrple suggested and pointing out flaws teacher bashers come out of the woodwork to use it against them

downthemiddle

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

This is what's really saddening about this whole thing and the attitudes towards kids in this thread.

The children are treated like subhuman pawns and merely an afterthought.

I would agree totally Fringey me auld flower. The irresponsibility of parents who are insisting that schools reopen in such an unsafe manner, just to get their own children out of their hair, is breathtaking.

am_zarathustra

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

This is what's really saddening about this whole thing and the attitudes towards kids in this thread.

The children are treated like subhuman pawns and merely an afterthought.

"snot monsters", "harbingers of death" to mention a few recent descriptions and God forbid a hurt child might want to seek comfort from their teacher, they'll be told to step back (prior to virus might I add).

It's eye opening and saddening state of affairs from people who chose to be mentors to these kids in the first place.

But no let's just cover up their faces and keep them the hell away, sure what say should they have in it.

Teachers might need to learn a thing or two from the very children they teach.

Ah here, I am stone mad about the kids I teach. I'm still in contact with a good few over email coz I know they wouldn't have the best situation at home. I'm running a summer school to try and get the vunerable ones back in early and help them reclimatise. I do an extra curriculars every day after school with them. I'm normally around the kids from 8.30.til after 5.

But I also have an Ill father in a nursing home, several of our teachers are carers and one has an immunocompromised kids. Asking for the same safety measures as a shop and something far less than a cinema is hardly me not caring about the kids. It's me not sacrificing the people I love for other people who's education, health and welfare I also care very deeply about

am_zarathustra

Extra teachers, I'll eat my hat of we have the same number of teachers as last year.....there are no extra teachers in the country. There will be no one to take extra students. Supervision will be done by garda cleared randomers who will have a wonderful time telling a bunch of rowdy kids to stay in their seats with having had training or the experience of a teacher

ldy4mxonucwsq6

pwurple wrote: »

Do we really want to do that to a whole generation?

This is what's really saddening about this whole thing and the attitudes towards kids in this thread.

The children are treated like subhuman pawns and merely an afterthought.

"snot monsters", "harbingers of death" to mention a few recent descriptions and God forbid a hurt child might want to seek comfort from their teacher, they'll be told to step back (prior to virus might I add).

It's eye opening and saddening state of affairs from people who chose to be mentors to these kids in the first place.

But no let's just cover up their faces and keep them the hell away, sure what say should they have in it.

Teachers might need to learn a thing or two from the very children they teach.

Alrigghtythen

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Burn them all.

The issue I'd see with off-campus overflow arrangements is firstly staffing, you'd be looking for a number of extra teachers that don't exist and it creates supervision issues. As one teacher leaves to be back in the main building on time for the next class and another teacher makes their way up to off-campus location, some group is going to be unattended somewhere.

Looking froward to getting back to school but expect it'll be nearly no SD so they'll be wearing masks.

I have a number of classes of 24+ and we won't have staff to take the 'extra' students or spare rooms for streaming (there wud be extra students coming out of multiple classes) so I expect it'll be the usual class groupings with masks and no SD

As one teacher leaves to be back in the main building

Theres an obvious way around that, I sure someone will be along to advise

pwurple

kowloonkev wrote: »

Schools won't survive a month without having to close again. I think they're just reopening to make it look to the general public like they tried.

Something should be planned to get Junior and Senior Infants into schools for the social development but all other classes should be online for the coming academic year. Online is the only logical way forward.

This is so painfully inequitable. First of all it's not even possible. We don't have functional broadband in vast swaths of the country. I live in a city and my broadband is a bunch of simcards I rotate all day to find better signal to work. People don't have laptops or even the space to facilitate it.

If you're Richy mcRich with a private tutor on hand to guide your kids through whatever uncoordinated homework appears on your fibre line you might be ok. Try online learning on the floor of a caravan with 6 other kids of different ages. Or being in direct provision.

Try being a widowed nurse working night shifts, now needed to stay up teaching small children.

Do we really want to do that to a whole generation?

The schools are already open. Jammed to the gills with summer arts camps, summer Lego camps, starcamp, summer provision classes. There has been no spike in cases in children.

Let's just get on with it.

downthemiddle

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

That's states total cases since jan

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
14 day cumulative total. Pesky facts.

khalessi

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Wasn't there talk that children couldn't transmit this as well as adults?

Turns out children can transmit the virus
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sciencealert.com/study-suggests-young-children-are-carrying-higher-levels-of-coronavirus/amp

It would make opening schools and keeping them open harder.

Just another study along with the South Korean study for the government to ignore as people need to get back to work. All they needed to do was plan properly and see how other countries did it. Split classes for a few weeks masks visors sd hand sanitizer. but shure it will be grand.

Alrigghtythen

downthemiddle wrote: »

Really???
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104837/coronavirus-cases-europe-by-country/
You wouldn’t be making “facts “ up again to suit your narrative ?

That's states total cases since jan