How will schools be able to go back in September?

Alrigghtythen · 30-07-2020 07:58PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Cool so you aren't so concerned about the education part of the schools?

It was just the free child care.

Got you.

It's too dangerous.

But then you dont care
Got you

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 08:00PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

It's too dangerous.

But then you dont care
Got you

So you are giving up?
I thought you wanted solutions.

Let's look at Korea , Denmark, Finland
or dare I say New Zealand.......

No you just want extremes.
Good luck.

Alrigghtythen · 30-07-2020 08:01PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

So you are giving up?
I thought you wanted solutions.

Let's look at Korea , Denmark, Finland
or dare I say New Zealand.......

No you just want extremes.
Good luck.

No too dangerous. Close everything down including shops.

You have to forgo money and take care of people.

average_runner · 30-07-2020 08:18PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

So you are giving up?
I thought you wanted solutions.

Let's look at Korea , Denmark, Finland
or dare I say New Zealand.......

No you just want extremes.
Good luck.

New Zealand doesnt depend on imports so can close off its ports. Denmark currently reporting higher daily cases than us.

Sammy2012 · 30-07-2020 08:21PM

If the government are waiting for the ECDC recommendations for opening schools why did they issue the "guidelines" they did on Monday? Are they going to change again when they read them? How are people supposed to plan and prepare?? Could we not just have gone with a workable plan in the start rather than setting ourselves up for failure before we even start?

combat14 · 30-07-2020 08:25PM

This evening, Nolan (Acting CMO) told reporters that the country was facing a “rapid evolving situation”.

he warned that “people have forgotten the basic advice about physical distancing”.

In a statement, Acting Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn said: “Today’s figures demonstrate how quickly Covid-19 can re-emerge in our country.”

“We are now at a crucial point in our response to Covid-19,” he said. “Over the coming days it is vital that everyone continues to avoid large crowds, physically distance, wear face coverings where appropriate and wash hands regularly.”

http://jrnl.ie/5163975f

Let's see do we get to phase 4 first..

Blondini · 30-07-2020 08:27PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

If the government are waiting for the ECDC recommendations for opening schools why did they issue the "guidelines" they did on Monday? Are they going to change again when they read them? How are people supposed to plan and prepare?? Could we not just have gone with a workable plan in the start rather than setting ourselves up for failure before we even start?

They're opening alright.

I, as a teacher, will not be taking any risks in their gamble. I'll put my own health first no matter what I have to do.

Boggles · 30-07-2020 08:27PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

If the government are waiting for the ECDC recommendations for opening schools why did they issue the "guidelines" they did on Monday? Are they going to change again when they read them? How are people supposed to plan and prepare?? Could we not just have gone with a workable plan in the start rather than setting ourselves up for failure before we even start?

Government throws out unworkable "good news" and then goes on holidays until mid September.

The pandemic hasn't changed the absolute shít housing of Irish Politics.

Murple · 30-07-2020 08:33PM

Taken from RTE news:

"Mr Ghebreyesus insisted that "young people must take the same precautions to protect themselves and protect others as everyone else".

"Young people can be infected, young people can die, and young people can transmit the virus to others."

Michael Ryan, WHO's emergencies director, also stressed that very little is still known about the long term effects of even mild Covid-19 infections.

"This disease while it may be mild, it may be moderate, it can affect many organs," Mr Ryan told the briefing.

"We just don't know what the long-term impact of those infections will be," he said, pointing to a study in Germany following Covid-19 patients who were never admitted to hospital, which hinted the long-term impacts could be serious."

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 08:34PM

donfers wrote: »

ridiculously self-important post

this is a pandemic, do your job and get on with it

there are risks of course, but everything is relative, there are huge risks associated with not opening

hundreds of thousands have lost their jobs and would give their right arm to be in the teachers' position

so spare me the hero complex bs and get on with your job

Thank the stars other key occupations facing similar or greater risks haven't been so craven

I suppose the meat factory workers aren't craven.
Maybe they just didn't know the risks?
Maybe their "Health and Safety risk assessment" didn't factor in the fact that
virus is airborne?
Could it have been because someone desperately needed the two weeks pay after holidays so didn't quarantine?

50% of those cases were asymptomatic.

Guess we'll never know.

Horrible attitude calling a whole profession and parents of children cowardly.

Disgraceful attitude.

It's quite obvious who needs a baby sitter vs those who actually want their child
to live a long and healthy life and learn something.

am_zarathustra · 30-07-2020 08:35PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

It's too dangerous.

But then you dont care
Got you

If schools don't open or partially open it will double the amount of work I have to do. Remote learning, when done correctly with decent assessment for and of learning it much more nuanced than classroom teaching. Are you suggesting we just don't bother educating kids at all? My students were all working steadily bar the few we couldn't get due to family or personal circumstances, they even took exams in the last week of may like in most schools.

It's not a binary situation where everyone is back in school or we sack all the teachers (when we already don't have enough but they are at a premium abroad). With that kind of thinking you should apply for a job in the DOE

Alrigghtythen · 30-07-2020 08:37PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I suppose the meat factory workers aren't craven.
Maybe they just didn't know the risks?
Maybe their "Health and Safety risk assessment" didn't factor in the fact that
virus is airborne?
Could it have been because someone desperately needed the two weeks pay after holidays so didn't quarantine?

50% of those cases were asymptomatic.

Guess we'll never know.

Horrible attitude calling a whole profession and parents of children cowardly.

Disgraceful attitude.

It's quite obvious who needs a baby sitter vs those who actually want their child
to live a long and healthy life and learn something.

Maybe everyone rushed out to the shops at once and without any warning the meat factories orders where quadrupled and staff had to be in working to keep meat on the shelves.

Did you buy meat over the pandemic?

lulublue22 · 30-07-2020 08:41PM

Murple wrote: »

Taken from RTE news:

"Mr Ghebreyesus insisted that "young people must take the same precautions to protect themselves and protect others as everyone else".

"Young people can be infected, young people can die, and young people can transmit the virus to others."

Michael Ryan, WHO's emergencies director, also stressed that very little is still known about the long term effects of even mild Covid-19 infections.

"This disease while it may be mild, it may be moderate, it can affect many organs," Mr Ryan told the briefing.

"We just don't know what the long-term impact of those infections will be," he said, pointing to a study in Germany following Covid-19 patients who were never admitted to hospital, which hinted the long-term impacts could be serious."

Listening to the health briefing this evening the acting CMO in relation to schools said that children do not transmit the disease to the same extent as adults. Which I thought was interesting given the SK study. He did also mention that they will be receiving updated advice from ECDC this week. It will be interesting to see what this advice will be in relation to schools given the uptick in cases around the world and school closures in Israel and Melbourne.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 08:43PM

average_runner wrote: »

New Zealand doesnt depend on imports so can close off its ports. Denmark currently reporting higher daily cases than us.

It's ports aren't closed to trade. That's a Ryanair talking point. Is horse sh!t offensive? Balderdash is maybe better.

Either way you are speaking out Uranus. or is your anus?

Have to be so careful, lest I offend anyones sensibilities.

I’m an overseas supplier, and I’m not sure if I should be sending goods to New Zealand under its closed border that I’ve heard about on the news – what should I do?

New Zealand has not closed its border to goods or trade – imports and exports may continue to operate on the same basis as pre COVID-19.

https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/more-information/faqs-for-individuals-and-businesses/

Boggles · 30-07-2020 08:44PM

average_runner wrote: »

New Zealand doesnt depend on imports so can close off its ports.

Of course they do.

The ports are open.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 08:45PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Maybe everyone rushed out to the shops at once and without any warning the meat factories orders where quadrupled and staff had to be in working to keep meat on the shelves.

Did you buy meat over the pandemic?

You are not making sense.
And it took 3 months for it to be found?

joe40 · 30-07-2020 08:47PM

am_zarathustra wrote: »

If schools don't open or partially open it will double the amount of work I have to do. Remote learning, when done correctly with decent assessment for and of learning it much more nuanced than classroom teaching. Are you suggesting we just don't bother educating kids at all? My students were all working steadily bar the few we couldn't get due to family or personal circumstances, they even took exams in the last week of may like in most schools.

It's not a binary situation where everyone is back in school or we sack all the teachers (when we already don't have enough but they are at a premium abroad). With that kind of thinking you should apply for a job in the DOE

Absolutely, I would dread having to do online learning for extended periods. It would also be mind numbing for kids regardless of how good the resources were.
I have sat through webinars and any more than an hour is hard work.

I really hope we can go back in September, but the risks are high.
If community transmission is not kept low the virus will spread in schools. So even if that means shutting pubs /social gatherings again, the priority should be to keep community transmission low enough to allow schools to function.

Schools will not be able to enforce social distancing at the levels required. Just watch teenagers on the streets.

By the way although masks aren't mandatory are teachers planning to wear masks anyway? Just curious.

GazzaL · 30-07-2020 08:47PM

There are only 3 options.

1) Send your kids back to school to continue their education and personal development.

2) Send your kids out into the woods to raise themselves.

3) Keep your kids locked in the house and mammy them, permanently stifling and irreparably damaging their development.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 08:52PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Maybe everyone rushed out to the shops at once and without any warning the meat factories orders where quadrupled and staff had to be in working to keep meat on the shelves.

Did you buy meat over the pandemic?

Yeah did you see my video???
Didn't know you were a fan.

I only kill my own meat as per my video.

Alrigghtythen · 30-07-2020 08:53PM

GazzaL wrote: »

There are only 3 options.

1) Send your kids back to school to continue their education and personal development.

2) Send your kids out into the woods to raise themselves.

3) Keep your kids locked in the house and mammy them, permanently stifling and irreparably damaging their development.

Put teachers on covid payment and watch solutions magically appear in record time

Grandeeod · 30-07-2020 08:55PM

GazzaL wrote: »

There are only 3 options.

1) Send your kids back to school to continue their education and personal development.

2) Send your kids out into the woods to raise themselves.

3) Keep your kids locked in the house and mammy them, permanently stifling and irreparably damaging their development.

BOLLOX!

Send them back into Schools that can provide adequate SD mearsures and if it means alternate weeks and homework, so be it. Teach them about the fact that this virus is an issue and this is the way it has to be for now. That's the parents job. This appears to be the only alternative to existing plans.

am_zarathustra · 30-07-2020 08:58PM

joe40 wrote: »

Absolutely, I would dread having to do online learning for extended periods. It would also be mind numbing for kids regardless of how good the resources were.
I have sat through webinars and any more than an hour is hard work.

I really hope we can go back in September, but the risks are high.
If community transmission is not kept low the virus will spread in schools. So even if that means shutting pubs /social gatherings again, the priority should be to keep community transmission low enough to allow schools to function.

Schools will not be able to enforce social distancing at the levels required. Just watch teenagers on the streets.

By the way although masks aren't mandatory are teachers planning to wear masks anyway? Just curious.

I'm hoping the ECDC just tell the DOE that that is nonsense next week. It makes no sense given the age profile in post primary and is incongruous with similar settings. I see so many students in the day. If I'm in a class I will be asking the students to wear masks and, honestly, I know 90% of the students I teach will happily comply. The others can sit way down the back. I've a parent in a nursing home who I've seen 4 times since march, they have only just allowed one of us in a week now, no job I have is worth risking not being able to go in for weeks in end.

I will be 2m from any student at all times.

wirelessdude01 · 30-07-2020 08:58PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Put teachers on covid payment and watch solutions magically appear in record time

But that is the responsibility not of us but of the government. The holes in it are gigantic. Reading the document it smacks of bits taken from different documents from different countries and pushed together. There are sentences left unfinished, sentences that don't fit where they are located. For a dept that had months to plan it's very very poor.

Boggles · 30-07-2020 08:58PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Put teachers on covid payment and watch solutions magically appear in record time

You do realize that having a full return as proposed means the least amount of work and hassle for teachers right? (Health Protection concerns aside).

GazzaL · 30-07-2020 08:59PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

BOLLOX!

Send them back into Schools that can provide adequate SD mearsures and if it means alternate weeks and homework, so be it. Teach them about the fact that this virus is an issue and this is the way it has to be for now. That's the parents job. This appears to be the only alternative to existing plans.

I'd rather we didn't fall behind the rest of the developed world and fail our children. If someone wants to leave their child behind, that's their decision. But resposible parents want their children to receive an education.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 09:00PM

GazzaL wrote: »

There are only 3 options.

1) Send your kids back to school to continue their education and personal development.

2) Send your kids out into the woods to raise themselves.

3) Keep your kids locked in the house and mammy them, permanently stifling and irreparably damaging their development.

Why stop at 3? why not 4 or 5?
Do you usually stop at 3?

Alrigghtythen · 30-07-2020 09:00PM

am_zarathustra wrote: »

I'm hoping the ECDC just tell the DOE that that is nonsense next week. It makes no sense given the age profile in post primary and is incongruous with similar settings. I see so many students in the day. If I'm in a class I will be asking the students to wear masks and, honestly, I know 90% of the students I teach will happily comply. The others can sit way down the back. I've a parent in a nursing home who I've seen 4 times since march, they have only just allowed one of us in a week now, no job I have is worth risking not being able to go in for weeks in end.

I will be 2m from any student at all times.

So all the children with asthma, will you be demanding they were masks or segregating them way down the back like they are lepers?

Alrigghtythen · 30-07-2020 09:02PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

But that is the responsibility not of us but of the government. The holes in it are gigantic. Reading the document it smacks of bits taken from different documents from different countries and pushed together. There are sentences left unfinished, sentences that don't fit where they are located. For a dept that had months to plan it's very very poor.

Can you show me an example of the sentences you refer to?

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 30-07-2020 09:03PM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

So all the children with asthma, will you be demanding they were masks or segregating them way down the back like they are lepers?

According to the plan, if SD is not possible in a classroom in secondary school then these kids will be all put together in an alternative room where SD can be maintained.

Thankfully kids with asthma won't be forced to wear masks but they will be segregated.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 09:04PM

GazzaL wrote: »

There are only 3 options.

1) Send your kids back to school to continue their education and personal development.

2) Send your kids out into the woods to raise themselves.

3) Keep your kids locked in the house and mammy them, permanently stifling and irreparably damaging their development.

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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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