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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    combat14 wrote: »
    can teachers wear facemasks in small contained room with 30 students while teaching...?

    for their own health and safety

    Masks don’t protect the wearer, they protect those around them . I will , however , be wearing both a mask and a visor .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Joe Kane


    Boggles wrote: »
    I certainly do Joe and have done through out Covid. You wanna give me a clap?

    I'm a "representative" of policy based on evidence and science and how that will impact the entire country as a whole going forward during this once in a generation pandemic.

    Any further questions Joe?

    No clap & no further questions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Face shields would be an option for teachers . While I understand they are not as protective as masks at least they are better than nothing . Maybe perspex on the desk for a teacher who feels vulnerable without it ?
    Has this been mentioned at all in any schools or by principles ?

    I'm getting perspex around my desk as was given the option by my principal. Some staff are, some aren't which I think is silly when it was offered by the BoM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01



    How many teachers have completed the covid training yet?

    Not yet available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Will Yam wrote: »
    If you want your kids to be safe, keep them at home, lock the doors, don’t let them or anyone else out, and don’t let anyone in.

    Nice cheap bs reply. The poster you replied to suggested he would prefer to have kids coming in part time which actually makes sense. No overcrowding, SD possible, kids and teachers much safer. Makes sense right. And there's always some tool jumping in and saying the same nonsense as you did.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Do you wear googles to work?

    Sometimes, nothing to do with Covid though.
    How many teachers have completed the covid training yet?

    Zero.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Not yet available.

    That explains all the hysteria.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    Worried that we are trying to open the schools as they were, at the expense of keeping them open. A friend of mine will be teaching 34 10/11 year olds for the year. No PPE, 5 hours a day together, everyone capable of spreading the virus at least as well as adults as recent studies have shown. Schools being open will accelerate the spread of the virus in the community under the current proposals, sadly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,864 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Already bored listening to whining teachers conjure up excuses as to why the plan won’t work...time to start docking pay drastically if teachers don’t return to the class room in September.
    There must be no return to the sporadic ad hoc situations post March where some teachers were working hard and doing their level best to embrace new teaching methods from home. Others were doing nothing, got paid the same.
    If we go back to that then like in any other job actions and outcomes must be monitored.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    That explains all the hysteria.

    I don't see any hysteria. I see people genuinely worried by what is being proposed. By people I mean members of the wider school community, both parents and teachers. My principal said numerous parents have been contacted the school since the announcement on Monday. They are worried about the lack of SD being proposed. Same worries that us teachers have.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    St.Spodo wrote: »
    Worried that we are trying to open the schools as they were, at the expense of keeping them open. A friend of mine will be teaching 34 10/11 year olds for the year. No PPE, 5 hours a day together, everyone capable of spreading the virus at least as well as adults as recent studies have shown. Schools being open will accelerate the spread of the virus in the community under the current proposals, sadly.

    Don't worry, they gonna explain to you that schools in Ireland are immune to covid. And it's great idea to hunt all the kids and teachers in at the same time. What could go wrong in that scenario right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,864 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I don't see any hysteria. I see people genuinely worried by what is being proposed. By people I mean members of the wider school community, both parents and teachers. My principal said numerous parents have been contacted the school since the announcement on Monday. They are worried about the lack of SD being proposed. Same worries that us teachers have.

    Well stay at home then, resign. Same for the “worried” parents. Home school if you’re that bothered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Don't worry, they gonna explain to you that schools in Ireland are immune to covid. And it's great idea to hunt all the kids and teachers in at the same time. What could go wrong in that scenario right.

    Thankfully covid is going to respect the social importance of schools and not spread itself in that particular crowded indoor environment. It only spreads in pubs and house parties where selfish people are not following the rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    I don't see any hysteria. I see people genuinely worried by what is being proposed. By people I mean members of the wider school community, both parents and teachers. My principal said numerous parents have been contacted the school since the announcement on Monday. They are worried about the lack of SD being proposed. Same worries that us teachers have.

    It's a new thing, popular thing. Cautious people are being called hysterical. Same was happening in Masks thread and I'm pretty sure in all other covid threads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    I don't see any hysteria. I see people genuinely worried by what is being proposed. By people I mean members of the wider school community, both parents and teachers. My principal said numerous parents have been contacted the school since the announcement on Monday. They are worried about the lack of SD being proposed. Same worries that us teachers have.

    I'd be worried about sending my children to that school too given your principal's attitude.
    road_high wrote: »
    Home school if you’re that bothered.

    If parents are willing to homeschool they should be encouraging and supported in doing so. It could take a huge amount of pressure off the schools themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    road_high wrote: »
    Well stay at home then, resign. Same for the “worried” parents. Home school if you’re that bothered.

    Why should i resign? People can raise issues without resigning. I worked for a major multi-national before retraining and issues were constantly raised and listened to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Lillyfae wrote: »



    If parents are willing to homeschool they should be encouraging and supported in doing so. It could take a huge amount of pressure off the schools themselves.

    And best of luck to them if they choose that direction. Principal said the criteria for assistance from school with regards to "online" is quite limited and that some parents who think they can just decide to keep children at home and that the school will be helping are in for a major wake-up.

    Now I'm aware that "home schooling' is a totally different animal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    the school will be helping are in for a major wake-up.

    Now I'm aware that "home schooling' is a totally different animal.

    I never suggested that the school should help. I was referring to home schooling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭combat14


    sounds like asti are now insisting on masks for everyone in schools


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    I never suggested that the school should help. I was referring to home schooling.

    Think you'll find I made that distinction very clear.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    road_high wrote: »
    Well stay at home then, resign. Same for the “worried” parents. Home school if you’re that bothered.

    "Worried" parent here. My child is starting Secondary this year. 800 pupils in the school. I'm not a lock down merchant and I was all for reopening the country and our schools. However. I was also an advocate for doing this in accordance with the safety guidelines. These guidelines are repeated over and over. Even last night this is what the Acting CMO said,
    Highlighting the increase in cases in Europe, he said people must focus once again "on keeping our distance, washing our hands, wearing face coverings and continuing to make safe decisions that will protect ourselves, our friends, our families. No one is safe unless everyone is safe."

    Shops are still limiting the amount of customers inside. I have to wear a mask on public transport and in retail settings. But the school reopening plan, says no masks required in school. All pupils back at the same time. An obvious issue that most schools cannot facilitate SD with a full compliment of pupils.No distancing on school buses despite our trains having seats marked out of use to promote SD. Its rightly being referred to as negligent.

    At Secondary level, the correct thing to do was alternate weeks for pupils and keep it under review. Homework given the week at home and checked on return to provide motivation. It halves the number on already stretched school transport and allows secondary schools to provide an environment that can deliver on SD throught the school. Can anyone here tell me why this wasn't looked at?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    combat14 wrote: »
    sounds like asti are now insisting on masks for everyone in schools

    Where is that reported?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Think you'll find I made that distinction very clear.

    You didn't- you responded to my post about home schooling by saying that the school shouldn't have to help, which had nothing to do with my post at all. Then you said that home schooling is a different thing- it's not a different thing to the homeschooling that I was referring to in my post that you quoted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    "Worried" parent here. My child is starting Secondary this year. 800 pupils in the school. I'm not a lock down merchant and I was all for reopening the country and our schools. However. I was also an advocate for doing this in accordance with the safety guidelines. These guidelines are repeated over and over. Even last night this is what the Acting CMO said,



    Shops are still limiting the amount of customers inside. I have to wear a mask on public transport and in retail settings. But the school reopening plan, says no masks required in school. All pupils back at the same time. An obvious issue that most schools cannot facilitate SD with a full compliment of pupils.No distancing on school buses despite our trains having seats marked out of use to promote SD. Its rightly being referred to as negligent.

    At Secondary level, the correct thing to do was alternate weeks for pupils and keep it under review. Homework given the week at home and checked on return to provide motivation. It halves the number on already stretched school transport and allows secondary schools to provide an environment that can deliver on SD throught the school. Can anyone here tell me why this wasn't looked at?

    To be honest it's all about the economy. They seem to think lashing everybody back as per usual is the way to go. Throw some headline figures out and people will think they are doing something. The harsh practical reality though is that they aren't really. Rearranging the chairs on the Titanic comes to mind and it's all being setup in such as way that the blame will fall squarely at the door of schools if things fall apart.

    John Boyle of The INTO said yesterday that further clarification of things will become available in the next ten to fourteen days. I'm guessing that the holes that have been picked in the plan are causing alot of questions and queries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    You didn't- you responded to my post about home schooling by saying that the school shouldn't have to help, which had nothing to do with my post at all. Then you said that home schooling is a different thing- it's not a different thing to the homeschooling that I was referring to in my post that you quoted.

    If you say so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Nice cheap bs reply. The poster you replied to suggested he would prefer to have kids coming in part time which actually makes sense. No overcrowding, SD possible, kids and teachers much safer. Makes sense right. And there's always some tool jumping in and saying the same nonsense as you did.

    The poster said s/he wanted his/her kids to be in a safe environment.

    If you want safety, take no risks, stay at home as I said.

    This concept of absolute safety is utter nonsense. It doesn’t exist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    "Worried" parent here. My child is starting Secondary this year. 800 pupils in the school. I'm not a lock down merchant and I was all for reopening the country and our schools. However. I was also an advocate for doing this in accordance with the safety guidelines. These guidelines are repeated over and over. Even last night this is what the Acting CMO said,



    Shops are still limiting the amount of customers inside. I have to wear a mask on public transport and in retail settings. But the school reopening plan, says no masks required in school. All pupils back at the same time. An obvious issue that most schools cannot facilitate SD with a full compliment of pupils.No distancing on school buses despite our trains having seats marked out of use to promote SD. Its rightly being referred to as negligent.

    At Secondary level, the correct thing to do was alternate weeks for pupils and keep it under review. Homework given the week at home and checked on return to provide motivation. It halves the number on already stretched school transport and allows secondary schools to provide an environment that can deliver on SD throught the school. Can anyone here tell me why this wasn't looked at?

    It wasn’t looked at as 1. the return to school is based primarily on economic concerns and 2. a partial return for children which would lend itself to closer adherence to current public health advice re behaviour in the community would have needed considerable backing from the public. A real we are all in this together attitude which unfortunately is not there. Instead we have no practical means of adhering to SD , school transport which is at totally odds with expected behaviour on public transport and vulnerable children expected to bear the burden so that we can have a full return to school.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Will Yam wrote: »
    The poster said s/he wanted his/her kids to be in a safe environment.

    If you want safety, take no risks, stay at home as I said.

    This concept of absolute safety is utter nonsense. It doesn’t exist.

    Repeating nonsense won't make it truth. But suit yourself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    combat14 wrote: »
    sounds like asti are now insisting on masks for everyone in schools

    Haven't seen that anywhere, in fact surprisingly the unions seem to be optimistic albeit there's some concerns about the tight time frame involved. Maybe even they realise it's the best that can be achieved in a bad situation.

    Teachers unions can insist all they like and they might secure masks for their members however they don't get to dictate what hundreds of thousands of children do.

    Children don't have a choice about going to school in the same way that they would in going to a shop or on public transport.

    So what will ASTI insist on, come to school in a mask or be home schooled? Never going to happen, can you imagine the legal fallout for starters.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Repeating nonsense won't make it truth. But suit yourself.

    So are you saying that going out and about is risk free?


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