Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Is it fair to say that vast majority of those not hospitalised suffer no real lasting damage and recover within a few weeks?

Not necessarily

Report Suggests Some ‘Mildly Symptomatic’ Covid-19 Patients Endure Serious Long-Term Effects

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Not necessarily

Report Suggests Some ‘Mildly Symptomatic’ Covid-19 Patients Endure Serious Long-Term Effects

The report is not based on a clinical study - even getting the flu can knock you for six for a long time (like many viruses) even for patients who "considered themselves healthy prior to getting" it

setanta1984 wrote: »

Only 8 in hospital in a country of 5 million is truly brilliant and really should be highlighted more. It's been less than 15 for ages now, but is largely ignored when the media and everyone else is in panic mode.

It’s great. But ‘celebrating’ is something that we don’t need to be doing. Just focusing on our discipline that got us to this stage is enough. Keep the train on the tracks, no detours, discipline.

fritzelly wrote: »

Using a percentage of all patients even tho 9% were hospitalized skews all credibitiliy of the following figures

"Nearly 88% of patients reported persistent intense fatigue" - for how long exactly? Not exactly groundbreaking research saying that - was it a week, 2 weeks, 3 days or I still felt a bit crap after testing negative

The posted link just links the word" study" to another news site - click bait headlines not even worth investing reading time on (wouldn't even call it a study without any real data)

I suppose some of us just don’t have the time and energy to be scraping the internet for every bit and morsel of scary stuff that may or may not have happened to one or two people.

I find this site a little sensationalised, but it pulls together studies very well.

In this article they explain the worries of the medical establishment and references studies done in the same areas.

6 months seems to be the time expected to recover from extreme fatigue, any longer and it maybe MS/CFS. So its too early to say at the mo. But the studies are pointing towards long term. That said, most studies in this article are hospitalised cases..

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/must-read-covid-19-long-term-effects-covid-19-survivors-could-suffer-chronic-medical-conditions-for-years

The doctor below chronicles his own mild condition, still wirhin the 6 months, and references the dutch study...

Indeed, I woke up with the familiar chest heaviness and utter exhaustion which gets worse by sitting at my desk to work.

This has been a pattern since the start of my covid-19 symptoms in the second half of March. Of course, I was never tested because community testing stopped altogether in the UK on the 12 March so I have no proof of my infection other than the accounts of thousands of people who are describing a similar experience of prolonged, fluctuating, and debilitating symptoms lasting for months. We are the unrecorded. The pandemic has been measured in deaths and in hospital admissions. I struggle to find any precise case definition for “mild” covid-19, which is what I supposedly had and still have not fully recovered from.

It seems common in many countries that anyone with symptoms, but not hospitalised is counted as a “mild” case, but the degree of covid-19 severity must be defined by the duration of ill health, not just the need for hospital admission. If symptoms last for more than a month and are debilitating to usual activities, it is unreasonable to call this a “mild” case. This misconception of “mild” is not ideal for prevention efforts during the pandemic. The infection is still depicted to the population as only affecting the elderly and those with a chronic condition, while “healthy” people would have no or brief symptoms if they get it. Evidence is emerging that for a significant proportion of those infected this is not true. A Dutch survey of more than 1,600 covid-19 patients, 91% of which were not hospitalised and 85% described their health as good before the infection, found that symptoms such as fatigue (88%), shortness of breath (75%), chest pressure (45%), headache (40%), muscle pain (36%) and palpitations (32%) last for months after initial infection. Nearly half of those surveyed said they were no longer able to exercise.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/07/28/nisreen-a-alwan-what-exactly-is-mild-covid-19/

More red flags:

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1249218084163842049

Scroll down through these tweet replies, many studies referenced here:

https://twitter.com/noawitheringly/status/1287847417002500100

s1ippy wrote: »

What is it going to take for people in this thread to stop downplaying this.

Would you consider 2 or 3 months long term, i wouldnt.

caveat emptor wrote: »

I got to love the minimisers on here who stick there head in the sand daily about the seriousness this poses.

I bet during aids HIV epidemic it was easier to be ignorant.

any who I digress. I'd hope that there are no long term consequences for people. There clearly are people who got over this and are grand.
There is no evidence that this can't fvck you up big time.

This was the most morbidly interesting study I've read this week. (the peer reviewed airborne one coming in second)
Based on the majority who recovered at home!!!!

The study below is incredibly shocking. Most didn't go to hospital.
This could absolutely explain some of the long term effects people are experiencing. (you kinda need your heart pumping on all cylinders.
Now by all means go ahead and minimise, bull****, confound.
I've highlighted the pertinent points for the non readers among us.

Won't change the conclusion. If this doesn't make you take it seriously you didn't understand it.




https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916

The giant writing did it for me, you do the majority of us can not make any sense of this

There has now been 20 threads of hysteria, with people painstakingly scouring the internet for deliberately rare, deliberately scare-mongering links.

The fact that they are saying other people are burying their heads in the sand would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

Pull your own head away from the "covid longterm damage" google searches, stop playing scientist and stick your head out the window instead. The sky is not falling. We have EIGHT people in ICU. We're doing grand.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Your replies to anything that you disagree with are some of the most condescending I've ever seen on here.

Point in case above

The picture could indeed be pointed back as sticking their head in sand over anything that's refuted or questioned.

SeaBreezes wrote: »

2/2) Cough (43%) and fatigue (35%) were the symptoms least likely to have resolved. Of those with shortness of breath, it had not yet resolved in 29%.

In comparison, 90% of outpatients with influenza recover by 2 weeks. Suggests recovery can be prolonged even in mild #COVID19.

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1287298794732756994

TBH this really gives the impression that none of this has ever happened before. There's an occasional persistent cough which emerges during the winter season, which can take weeks to clear. It's the nature of respiratory infections.

A sad new record was set yesterday with 290,459 new cases being reported in one day.

And ~190 thousand of the ~290 thousand new Covid-19 cases reported yesterday were from just three countries !

Brazil, USA and India were responsible for 2/3rds of all the reported new cases..

The government could and should reduce the obvious risk of seeding from these red hot virus hotspots by banning entry from those countries until their get their situations under control.

Not doing so makes a complete mockery of all the hard work done by the Irish public over recent months.