Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

COVID-19 - Underlying conditions in confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Ireland
Publication Date: 04/08/2020, Note: The data in this report are provisional Page 2 of 2
Data on underlying medical conditions were available for 1,459 confirmed cases who died;
 43.7% (n=637) had chronic heart disease
 34.1% (n=498) had chronic neurological disease
 17.6% (n=257) had chronic respiratory disease
 16.1% (n=235) had hypertension and
 15.4% (n=225) had cancer/malignancy.

so on the second one, 34.1%, the risk factor is age, meaning you are old and have any one of the following Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, dystonia, motor neuron disease Huntington’s disease, neuromuscular disease, multiple sclerosis and epilepsy,.

seanb85

ACitizenErased wrote: »

COVID deaths in Ireland = people who died with covid, not necessarily just of COVID.



https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2020/0703/1151127-virus-report/

Sadly 20-25% of nursing home patients die within any given year, many of the patients in these homes that did die during this period died with Covid but some would have died in any event. This explains why our excess mortality is less than the Covid death figure.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be counted as Covid deaths and it doesn't mean our current Covid death toll is overestimated.

fritzelly

Did the loony bin give everyone a day pass today?

DevilsHaircut

normanoffside wrote: »

Varadkar himself said it

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1278995351169613824

The HIQA report on excess deaths that Varadkar was itching to publicise used RIP.ie postings.

A private-sector website with a very Christian-centric name is not a scientific basis for determining excess deaths.

We record deaths in the correct way, based on WHO guidance. Other countries may not (hence Leo's intervention regarding our position in the 'league tables').

Covid measures likely reduced deaths from other causes - road traffic accidents, sporting accidents, other infectious diseases, work-related stress, premature babies.

Hence a lower 'excess death' rate than the Covid death number.

ACitizenErased

seanb85 wrote: »

Sadly 20-25% of nursing home patients die within any given year, many of the patients in these homes that did die during this period died with Covid but some would have died in any event. This explains why our excess mortality is less than the Covid death figure.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be counted as Covid deaths and it doesn't mean our current Covid death toll is overestimated.

But technically if they didn't die from COVID then they shouldn't really be counted as COVID deaths, in my opinion.

normanoffside

Strumms wrote: »

Exactly, a corporate massage monkey.. a money boy... precisely the fûcking absolute wankbag clown whose slow out of the blocks fearful inaction meant that from word go we were fighting this from a back foot stance... fearful of stepping on the toes of the corporates, exactly a FG moneyboy type reaction.... you didn’t need to script it.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Now why would a politician potentially point to something that may absolve him of consequences of his decisions. In particular nursing homes?
I wonder why.

Tony Holohan always stressed that we counted suspected covid deaths, people who died with and not from the virus etc.
If you read the replies to that tweet, loads of people Irate that their relatives were counted as Covid deaths when they weren't. Some even saying they died in a car crash but were counted as a Covid deaths.

Apparently when you go into Hospital with anything you are suspected as a covid patient, and if you die before being tested you were automatically added to the Covid death toll as a 'suspected' death.

Clearly we over-counted our deaths.

niallo27

Strumms wrote: »

Exactly, a corporate massage monkey.. a money boy... precisely the fûcking absolute wankbag clown whose slow out of the blocks fearful inaction meant that from word go we were fighting this from a back foot stance... fearful of stepping on the toes of the corporates, exactly a FG moneyboy type reaction.... you didn’t need to script it.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Now why would a politician potentially point to something that may absolve him of consequences of his decisions. In particular nursing homes?
I wonder why.

"HIQA says this could be due to the inclusion within official figures of people who were infected with coronavirus but whose cause of death may have been predominantly due to other factors"

How can you argue with this. Excess deaths were no where near the covid numbers. The numbers are there.

niallo27

seanb85 wrote: »

Sadly 20-25% of nursing home patients die within any given year, many of the patients in these homes that did die during this period died with Covid but some would have died in any event. This explains why our excess mortality is less than the Covid death figure.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be counted as Covid deaths and it doesn't mean our current Covid death toll is overestimated.

So did they die of covid or not, I think its pretty important

Loafing Oaf

niallo27 wrote: »

So did they die of covid or not, I think its pretty important

Probably impossible to say definitively in a lot of cases. The 'excess deaths' count can only be a blunt instrument, even if it's the best measure we have.

JP Liz V1

ImAHappyCamper wrote: »

Why would Limerick start showing a fairly steady rise in cases folks?

niallo27 wrote: »

They all headed back to Kilkee for the weekend.

Kilkee Beach Rave Party, those young ones no cares at all

DevilsHaircut

ACitizenErased wrote: »

But technically if they didn't die from COVID then they shouldn't really be counted as COVID deaths, in my opinion.

The only way to determine this is through a costly and dangerous post-mortem for every single death, and even then the results would be debatable given the huge range of effects of the virus.

Utterly pointless.

We are right to continue following WHO guidance.

Doctors room ghost

Numbers going to skyrocket tomorrow and Wednesday I’d say.
It’s some fcukin disaster of a year.

Strumms

niallo27 wrote: »

"HIQA says this could be due to the inclusion within official figures of people who were infected with coronavirus but whose cause of death may have been predominantly due to other factors"

How can you argue with this. Excess deaths were no where near the covid numbers. The numbers are there.

‘MAY’ , you are crutching at straws.

caveat emptor

More Neurological effects . This time an autoimmune condition.

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1292913402117931008?s=21

DevilsHaircut

normanoffside wrote: »

...
If you read the replies to that tweet, loads of people Irate that their relatives were counted as Covid deaths when they weren't. Some even saying they died in a car crash but were counted as a Covid deaths.

Clearly we over-counted our deaths.

Should we base it on tweets instead :rolleyes:

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rusty cole wrote: »

COVID-19 - Underlying conditions in confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Ireland
Publication Date: 04/08/2020, Note: The data in this report are provisional Page 2 of 2
Data on underlying medical conditions were available for 1,459 confirmed cases who died;
 43.7% (n=637) had chronic heart disease
 34.1% (n=498) had chronic neurological disease
 17.6% (n=257) had chronic respiratory disease
 16.1% (n=235) had hypertension and
 15.4% (n=225) had cancer/malignancy.

so on the second one, 34.1%, the risk factor is age, meaning you are old and have any one of the following Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, dystonia, motor neuron disease Huntington’s disease, neuromuscular disease, multiple sclerosis and epilepsy,.

The risk factor for all of those ailments is age. Older age increases the risk for all of the above, so understandable that the likes of cardio disease is high too.

I wonder what the stats were for those under 50, can you get those anywhere?

seanb85

niallo27 wrote: »

So did they die of covid or not, I think its pretty important

You're asking a question with no definitive answer. A 90 year old with pre-existing conditions might not have much time left. If they caught Covid I don't see why it shouldn't be counted as a Covid death if it accelerated their demise.

ACitizenErased

Our reporting system for cases and deaths is a disaster anyway so it doesn't really matter what any of us would prefer.

Onesea

They lockedown Leicester due to high detection. A big panic follows,but no extra deaths or spikes in admission.
In Ireland you have 3 counties in a half baked lockdown of some sort.

How come the deaths are dropping to near zero yet when teating increases so does detection rates followed by media followed by panic.. It's like many here are stuck in a mouse wheel feeding on the nonsense from daily broadcasts from "journalists"

Patd6

We likely have 100 cases tops that died of corona. And all in the older susceptible age group. X amount that died in car crashs that were labelled corona. X amount that died of other illness but labelled corona. All to bulk up the figures and vindicate the lockdown. These meat factories clusters are not actually happening. It's media spin. Pubs should open right away, I'm furious

niallo27

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Probably impossible to say definitively in a lot of cases. The 'excess deaths' count can only be a blunt instrument, even if it's the best measure we have.

I understand its pretty blunt but the fact there is such a huge discrepancy in the numbers can't be ignored, if it was 50 or 100 then maybe but its 500 plus. This is good news though, why do people want this to be even more deadly, its bad enough as it is.

Ha Long Bay

Patd6 wrote: »

We likely have 100 cases tops that died of corona. And all in the older susceptible age group. X amount that died in car crashs that were labelled corona. X amount that died of other illness but labelled corona. All to bulk up the figures and vindicate the lockdown. These meat factories clusters are not actually happening. It's media spin. Pubs should open right away, I'm furious

Are you going to serve food when you open your fictional pub? If so you should have opened it back in June like the rest of them.

DevilsHaircut

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Our reporting system for cases and deaths is a disaster anyway so it doesn't really matter what any of us would prefer.

Are you talking about the daily positives that you post here every day vs announced cases the day/s after?

ACitizenErased

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Are you talking about the daily positives that you post here every day vs announced cases the day/s after?

Deaths being reported weeks/months after they happened, cases being reported despite positive tests saying otherwise, etc.

ExMachina1000

The 7 day moving average of daily new cases in the United states is really starting to turn down.
Finally

seanb85

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Our reporting system for cases and deaths is a disaster anyway so it doesn't really matter what any of us would prefer.

You categorically stated our death toll was overestimated.

It might be, but the report you based that on was a very basic look at excess mortality with figures taken from a private website and was in no way a conclusive study.

DevilsHaircut

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Deaths being reported weeks/months after they happened, cases being reported despite positive tests saying otherwise, etc.

(1) Deaths reported up to three months afterwards is down to our legislation (not the public health authorities).

(2) 'cases being reported despite positive tests saying otherwise'

JP Liz V1

Poorside wrote: »

couple of confirmed cases from lads living in Clare and playing for Cratloe GAA club that were at the Killkee thing last week, this could run rampant.

Toodles_27 wrote: »

7 new cases in Limerick today.

Any idea what is driving these new cases? Has there been a cluster/outbreak identified?

Poorside wrote: »

Confirmed case in Claughan GAA club, no idea if it's a player

Arthur Dead Gypsum wrote: »

Shannon RFC too. Both club activities suspended

Limerick and Clare cases could be from the Kilkee Party

Polar101

Polar101 wrote: »

Finland did a second full Covid-19 testing of incoming plane passengers. This time they targeted a flight that arrived in Turku from Skopje, North Macedonia. Unlike the previous test, this time all 157 passengers accepted to take the free test at the airport.

24 out of the 157 passengers tested positive
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/paper_covid-19_cases_confirmed_among_passengers_from_skopje/11487038

So far Finland have been doing the Irish style "please, could you self isolate for 14 days?" pseudo-quarantine, but they are now considering changing that to "self isolate for 14 days, or else".

Those numbers strike me as rather unusual. Macedonia has had a similar enough number of cases and deaths as us, and although they are going through their peak now it’s still only 150 per day in a country of 2million. If you assume average 2 weeks from Infection to resolution, that’s about 2,000 active cases or current rate idled 1/1000. Yet 24 people out 157 tested positive on that flight. Unless there was a sports team or tour group it would be statistically very unlikely for 24 cases to make it on to that flight at the same time even if they are only detecting 10% of cases in the country.

DevilsHaircut

Patd6 wrote: »

We likely have 100 cases tops that died of corona...All to bulk up the figures and vindicate the lockdown. These meat factories clusters are not actually happening. It's media spin. Pubs should open right away, I'm furious

Pat does or does not own or work in a pub, depending on which posts of his you read.

But he's angry...