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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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  • #8012
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    When approaching supermarket checkouts I've been told, as one individual, to stand 2 m away from both the loading of the goods and for the paying of them.

    Not quite the same as being in a 7m x 7m room with 30 students, is it?

    You could have done your shopping online and reduced your risk further. Yet you were willing to put the workers and not just the check out person but every involved in the chain lives at risk?

    Was there any windows in the supermarket within a 7m radius you could open? Is there any windows in your classroom?


  • #8013
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    You could have done your shopping online and reduced your risk further.

    Was there any windows in the supermarket within a 7m radius you could open? Is there any windows in your classroom?

    The shops were open so I didn't

    The issue is not regarding the opening of schools
    Its the manner of their opening.

    If 2m social distancing applies in Tesco then it should apply in schools.


  • #8014
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    You could have done your shopping online and reduced your risk further.

    Was there any windows in the supermarket within a 7m radius you could open? Is there any windows in your classroom?

    The supermarket wud be bigger than the average classroom. I'd be fairly sure of that

    In A&E everyone had a mask on while waiting and distanced from each other, last time I was there

    Our GP has closed their waiting room and you wait in the car. You don't touch the doors on the way in or out, they're opened for you. Secretary, patient and doctor all wear masks. Doctor wipes everything down before and after.

    Building sites are dramatically different, some closed due to positive tests

    You know, silly sh1t like that


  • #8015
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    The shops were open so I didn't

    The issue is not regarding the opening of schools
    Its the manner of their opening.

    If 2m social distancing applies in Tesco then it should apply in schools.

    Hiw close do you stand to your pupils?


  • #8016
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    You could have done your shopping online and reduced your risk further.

    People were asked to leave online shopping to the people who really needed it.

    Crazy safety measure.

    Shakes fist.


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  • #8017
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Boggles wrote: »
    People were asked to leave online shopping to the people who really needed it.

    Crazy safety measure.

    Shakes fist.

    That advice was months ago. Things have changed and will continue to change.


  • #8018
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Hiw close do you stand to your pupils?

    In normal time you could be quite close on occasion, giving individual help with work for example or corridors at break time can be a real squeeze. Obviously that won't happen now, I will ensure 2 m distance.
    Pupils keeping 2 m apart will be harder, nearly impossible to enforce.


  • #8019
    Deeec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I think the plans issued yesterday were very poor and don't address most of the issues school face. I was fully prepared for a 2/3 day part time return for children and I think most parents would have been happy with this. This would have facilitated a more cautioned approach to reopening the schools
    Also Im surprised that school buses are allowed to run - all classes will be mixing on dirty poorly ventilated buses. It makes a complete joke of older children and social distancing. How are drivers going to supervise who kids sit beside - its beyond their remit. All children who travel by bus will be arriving to the school at the same time.

    Blended learning/ homeschooling - I am so so annoyed that no guidance was given on this. How hard would it have been to put a standard plan together on this that each school would have to follow should the school have to close. I think it is a given that schools will have to close at some time over the winter given the approach taken by the DOE - then we will be back to the unfair mess this was during lockdown.

    Also my children seem to have snotty noses for most of the winter ( as do most children lets face it) - its not even a cold - just snotty noses for no apparent reason. I reckon they are going to miss a lot of school due to this.


  • #8020
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Deeec wrote: »
    I think the plans issued yesterday were very poor and don't address most of the issues school face. I was fully prepared for a 2/3 day part time return for children and I think most parents would have been happy with this. This would have facilitated a more cautioned approach to reopening the schools
    Also Im surprised that school buses are allowed to run - all classes will be mixing on dirty poorly ventilated buses. It makes a complete joke of older children and social distancing. How are drivers going to supervise who kids sit beside - its beyond their remit. All children who travel by bus will be arriving to the school at the same time.

    Blended learning/ homeschooling - I am so so annoyed that no guidance was given on this. How hard would it have been to put a standard plan together on this that each school would have to follow should the school have to close. I think it is a given that schools will have to close at some time over the winter given the approach taken by the DOE - then we will be back to the unfair mess this was during lockdown.

    Also my children seem to have snotty noses for most of the winter ( as do most children lets face it) - its not even a cold - just snotty noses for no apparent reason. I reckon they are going to miss a lot of school due to this.

    So do a lot of teenagers and people in their 20s after been on the bag for the weekend


  • #8021
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Deeec wrote: »
    I think the plans issued yesterday were very poor and don't address most of the issues school face. I was fully prepared for a 2/3 day part time return for children and I think most parents would have been happy with this. This would have facilitated a more cautioned approach to reopening the schools
    Also Im surprised that school buses are allowed to run - all classes will be mixing on dirty poorly ventilated buses. It makes a complete joke of older children and social distancing. How are drivers going to supervise who kids sit beside - its beyond their remit. All children who travel by bus will be arriving to the school at the same time.

    Blended learning/ homeschooling - I am so so annoyed that no guidance was given on this. How hard would it have been to put a standard plan together on this that each school would have to follow should the school have to close. I think it is a given that schools will have to close at some time over the winter given the approach taken by the DOE - then we will be back to the unfair mess this was during lockdown.

    Also my children seem to have snotty noses for most of the winter ( as do most children lets face it) - its not even a cold - just snotty noses for no apparent reason. I reckon they are going to miss a lot of school due to this.
    Why wouldn't school buses be running? Public transport is running and children will be in the same "bus group" every day with the same people. Bigger mix of people on public transport.

    Are the buses dirty? Have you approached the company on this issue previously or asked them what steps they have taken to clean the buses? If the buses are dirty inspect the hygiene of it before you put your child on it. Or if it's a big concern could you organise a lift or let your child walk or cycle to school? But I agree the buses shouldn't be dirty. If they are not ventilated correctly, perhaps a window could be opened.

    How long is the journey to school?

    Will schools have to close or just classes being at home until test results return?


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  • #8022
    Deeec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Why wouldn't school buses be running? Public transport is running and children will be in the same "bus group" every day with the same people. Bigger mix of people on public transport.

    Are the buses dirty? Have you approached the company on this issue previously or asked them what steps they have taken to clean the buses? If the buses are dirty inspect the hygiene of it before you put your child on it. Or if it's a big concern could you organise a lift or let your child walk or cycle to school? But I agree the buses shouldn't be dirty. If they are not ventilated correctly, perhaps a window could be opened.

    How long is the journey to school?

    Will schools have to close or just classes being at home until test results return?

    Having kids mixing on a school bus makes a complete joke of the requirement of teachers to socially distance older kids in school.
    My kids dont go on buses so I dont have this worry. Lets face it most buses are not the cleanest. As far as I know alot of the school buses are private contracts - This means the bus could be used by other groups in between school drop offs and collections. IMO this is risky.


  • #8023
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Hiw close do you stand to your pupils?

    I'm a science teacher.
    My students approach me and 3 or 4 of them would stand right next to me as I check safety for an experiment at their table for example

    With demos there could be as many as 24 standing around me within 1-2m

    The problem with this debate is that too many people haven't a clue what goes on in schools and think t why know from their school days 20 or 30 years ago


  • #8024
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    I'm a science teacher.
    My students approach me and 3 or 4 of them would stand right next to me as I check safety for an experiment at their table for example

    With demos there could be as many as 24 standing around me within 1-2m

    The problem with this debate is that too many people haven't a clue what goes on in schools and think t why know from their school days 20 or 30 years ago

    That was pre covid. What's your plan for doing safety checks and demonstrating post covid?


  • #8025
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,848 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Deeec wrote: »
    I think the plans issued yesterday were very poor and don't address most of the issues school face. I was fully prepared for a 2/3 day part time return for children and I think most parents would have been happy with this. This would have facilitated a more cautioned approach to reopening the schools
    Also Im surprised that school buses are allowed to run - all classes will be mixing on dirty poorly ventilated buses. It makes a complete joke of older children and social distancing.

    Apparently siblings will be encouraged to sit together, which should help a bit...


  • #8026
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    Sorry, they should be doing it now, not when the children are expecting to go back.
    Many of us are- doing courses that we have paid for ourselves as the DES has nothing to offer.


  • #8027
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    I'm a science teacher.
    My students approach me and 3 or 4 of them would stand right next to me as I check safety for an experiment at their table for example

    With demos there could be as many as 24 standing around me within 1-2m

    The problem with this debate is that too many people haven't a clue what goes on in schools and think t why know from their school days 20 or 30 years ago

    How people don’t see an issue with school transport is beyond me. To liken it to public transport is crazy- our school buses are full to capacity. No space for SD at all. Some of our children travel up to an hour / hour and a half every morning and evening. Our busses are contracted by bus eireann to private individuals who have different jobs in between the school run.


  • #8028
    Deeec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Apparently siblings will be encouraged to sit together, which should help a bit...

    Yep thats the plan - Most siblings love sitting together when there friends are also around.......


  • #8029
    glack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭glack


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Hiw close do you stand to your pupils?

    Seriously? Do you not remember being at school?

    At times they are practically sitting on top of me! And it is nothing new for a small child to attempt to sit on your knee particularly after they have been hurt. Think of any child in your close circle and what is their understanding of personal space. If it’s non existent do you think that trait disappears when at school!! Please take a step back is something I say regularly.

    Children would regularly be right next to their teacher - reading one on one, individual or small group work, hands on activities. Even just things like zipping their coat, putting on their gloves, cleaning their scrapped knee.


  • #8030
    Deeec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭Deeec


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    How people don’t see an issue with school transport is beyond me. To liken it to public transport is crazy- our school buses are full to capacity. No space for SD at all. Some of our children travel up to an hour / hour and a half every morning and evening. Our busses are contracted by bus eireann to private individuals who have different jobs in between the school run.

    Agree fully - it is madness to have school buses running.


  • #8031
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Hiw close do you stand to your pupils?
    In primary you stand/sit quite close to the children, to do things like listen to them reading, see how they are getting on with a particular task and providing individual support as needed, doing little assessment tasks etc. The days of a teacher at the top of the class are gone for decades.


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  • #8032
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    In primary you stand/sit quite close to the children, to do things like listen to them reading, see how they are getting on with a particular task and providing individual support as needed, doing little assessment tasks etc. The days of a teacher at the top of the class are gone for decades.

    I suppose you'll just have to adapt to more peer to peer teaching techniques and technology. But it'll be no bother, dont want to be stuck in the past.


  • #8033
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    How people don’t see an issue with school transport is beyond me. To liken it to public transport is crazy- our school buses are full to capacity. No space for SD at all. Some of our children travel up to an hour / hour and a half every morning and evening. Our busses are contracted by bus eireann to private individuals who have different jobs in between the school run.

    What's the alternative?


  • #8034
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    What's the alternative?

    Increased capacity either via extra school buses or staggered arrivals / departure from schools. Busses to be kept for school runs only , daily deep cleaning between runs and after runs. Though to be honest I’ve no idea why pointing out issues with various aspects of the return to school means that you need to solve those issues to. Is that not the dep remit ???

    ETA temp check and masks mandatory.


  • #8035
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    glack wrote: »
    Seriously? Do you not remember being at school?

    At times they are practically sitting on top of me! And it is nothing new for a small child to attempt to sit on your knee particularly after they have been hurt. Think of any child in your close circle and what is their understanding of personal space. If it’s non existent do you think that trait disappears when at school!! Please take a step back is something I say regularly.

    Children would regularly be right next to their teacher - reading one on one, individual or small group work, hands on activities. Even just things like zipping their coat, putting on their gloves, cleaning their scrapped knee.

    Nightmare inducing stuff altogether :eek: :D

    Regularly telling kids to step back, if they are young then you know you're wasting your time.

    They don't really do personal space well and maybe they like you and want to be close to you when they are hurt.

    I'm presuming you chose a career where your workday evolves completely around children and that you had a clue about their behaviour before going down that career path?

    Covid won't have changed children's behaviour much if they are younger, a few days of school and you might feel a bit more comfortable with it. Going back is hard and scary but people get over it pretty fast.


  • #8036
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,848 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    Though to be honest I’ve no idea why pointing out issues with various aspects of the return to school means that you need to solve those issues to. Is that not the dep remit ???

    Maybe there is no satisfactory solution for some of them


  • #8037
    Deeec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    What's the alternative?

    I know alot of parents rely on school buses to get their children to school. Maybe spaces on the bus could be allocated on a need basis ie. parents have to prove they have no other way of getting their children to school. This would cut down on the amount of children per bus. I know in my kids school alot of the children who use the service have stay at home parents or work from home parents - is just means they dont have the hassle of drop offs an pickups. The need for school transport is not as great as it was years ago ( IMO).

    I think it is silly that Johnny from 6th class can sit on the bus beside Paddy from 5th class for an hour on the bus in the morning and afternoon but the teacher has to work hard to keep them apart in school.


  • #8038
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    Increased capacity either via extra school buses or staggered arrivals / departure from schools. Busses to be kept for school runs only , daily deep cleaning between runs and after runs. Though to be honest I’ve no idea why pointing out issues with various aspects of the return to school means that you need to solve those issues to. Is that not the dep remit ???

    ETA temp check and masks mandatory.

    But as you said "Our busses are contracted by bus eireann to private individuals who have different jobs in between the school run".

    Plus there's no extra fleet waiting in the wings with drivers waiting to drive them.

    So that alternative is not feasible at all.


  • #8039
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Maybe there is no satisfactory solution for some of them

    Maybe not but as it stands school transport is an issue due to no SD and possible length of time on the bus. It certainly is not the same as travelling on public transport. It also makes a joke of pods if kids from all different levels are on school transport every day.


  • #8040
    KerryConnor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭KerryConnor


    I Agree you'll be in contact with toddlers bodily fluids over the course of the day which you usually aren't in a school.
    However a secondary school teacher for example, might be in close contact (I think 40 mins in a packed classroom with an airborn virus can be discribed this way) with 200 adult sized humans in the course of 1 day.
    I'm in primary and i think the risks are smaller, i'll be in contact with 30 smaller humans (smaller lungs or for whatever reason less infectious)
    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    The preschool child care have more contact hours and are a lot more up close and personal with bodily fluids than either secondary or primary school teachers.


    I get that it may be scary for teachers. Yes it will be different and you will need to adapt. Haven't we all?

    They should look to other industries to show them how it's done. The trail blazers who kept the country going while keeping covid out.

    The school doors cant be kept shut forever


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  • #8041
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    Maybe not but as it stands school transport is an issue due to no SD and possible length of time on the bus. It certainly is not the same as travelling on public transport. It also makes a joke of pods if kids from all different levels are on school transport every day.

    In that case everyday life where kids are all playing together, doing sports, having playdates, birthday parties etc is also making a joke of pods.

    Don't focus on it too much, life is going on pretty much as normal outside of school pods, it's just that the dept had to be seen to be doing something as a nod to social distancing in school.


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