Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Just came up in conversation yesterday between a few of us and nobody knew the answer. I know that 10 people can meet in a house from 4 households but is there a time limit or can people sleep over? I wouldn’t anyway but I’ve asked a few people since and nobody seems to know either.

They mentioned on the news the other night that there's not actually any law regarding that so you can do whatever you like

Penfailed wrote: »

So he didn't do an excellent job then?

Some of what he said was very good on the health side, some of it was quite alarmist and the predictions, well ...

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of anger and all that on this thread.

I cannot understand it, we have done very well. A lot of things are open again now. It must be the pubs issue so.

But whingers will whinge. No matter what.

Another example of somebody who likely hasn't really been affected by any of the measures not bothering to understand why those who have might be angry.

"I haven't lost my job, my education, my social life or all my future prospects so what are you all whinging about? Must be the pubs."

Good letter in the Irish Times today about the standoff between the Dept. of Justice and the Dept. of Heath with regard to who should be doing the stupid follow up calls checking incoming travellers’ whereabouts. It's worth reading. Apparently the Border/Immigration people had to focus on their “core immigration duties” so weren’t in a position to make the calls. This is despite the airports being comparatively empty. What on earth have all these public servants on full pay been doing?

Really feeling for all involved in the airline industry. To reassure people, procedures could be put in place at the airports etc but govt know they couldn’t in practice roll them out because of obstructiveness and incompetence so instead a whole industry and thousands of private sector employees are being absolutely hammered.

Greece is now accepting flights from all EU countries including UK and Sweden. I’m listing below their arrival protocols, not a joke like ours where departments are fighting over who should make telephone calls. There, the PS has adapted to ensure the tourism industry can continue. Here, this would be an affront to the unions who never seem to make the connection that the private sector fund them and why should they do anything to help anyway, another 2% on the way for nothing. Disgusting.

Can you imagine our crowd trying to roll out this, don’t laugh.
(Sorry for long post)

Arrival protocols in Greece
The Passenger Locator Form (PLF) is a key element in the planning. All travelers must complete their PLF until the day before entering the country, providing detailed information on their point of departure, the duration of previous stays in other countries, and the address of their stay while in Greece. In case of multiple stays, they are required to provide the address for the first 24 hours at least.
• Travelers will receive a confirmation email upon submission of the PLF.
• Travelers will receive the PLF with their unique Quick Response (QR) code on the day of their scheduled arrival in Greece (at midnight) and will be notified via email (the QR code will be provided in a link in the confirmation email).
• Travelers boarding or embarking on the previous day of the arrival will be allowed to do so upon showing the confirmation email, since they will receive their QR code during their flight or voyage.

• • Arrival at the entry gate.
• • Transfer to the area where the screening personnel are located. Travelers are requested to show their QR code either on their mobile phone screen or in print. If travel departure begins prior to the day of arrival, travelers are allowed to board after showing the confirmation email (and not necessarily the QR code which is scheduled to arrive during their trip.)
• • Depending on their QR code/confirmation, travelers are directed either to the screening area where they will be tested for the new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 by a trained health team or to the exit (to baggage claim area or passport control).
• • Upon completion of the test, travelers are directed towards the exit (to baggage claim area or passport control).

• • The test results are expected to become available within 24 hours. During that time, passengers who are tested are advised to practise social distancing according to local guidelines and self monitoring for symptoms that could indicate COVID-19. In case of such symptoms, medical advice and/or contact with the National Public Health Organization (EODY) Operations Centre should be immediately sought. Only in case they test positive, the authorities will contact them and proceed with the health protocol in place. Otherwise, they may continue with their holidays, adhering to the general public health safety guidelines.

To add to the farce, don't forget setting up the emergency army tents to do the 'tests', as though a swab was a "test" and not thinking through whether there was the lab capacity to perform the actual test. That was a real marker for me of Simon Harris' lack of experience but the optics were good.

Also, the Leaving Cert results such as they are, being released later than usual despite the fact there were no exams to be marked.

Going to miss Ivan, has just started his last show.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The Shinners are dropping by for an anti Government rant I see. Nothing to do with the pubs at all!

In all fairness the rhetoric pedalled in the post here is utter boloxoligy, it was the same yesterday.

But thats what the pro restriction argument is solely based upon. "Suck it up, sure isnt it grand".

Assetbacked wrote: »

It only got bad in residential/care/nursing home settings due to total HSE/NPHET/government failure. As a result of a fear of being found out for this massive mistake, they have been persisting with OTT restrictions far beyond have been necessary, the necessity being measured with our incredibly stable data for months at this stage. Tony Holohan himself said in early May that the virus was effectively extinguished in the community. Here we are nearly 3 months later and we're barely back to some level of normality but still far behind other countries in Europe and receiving inconsistent advice, such as here is a green list but non-essential travel is still the advice.

HIQA, HSE and care homes themselves, nobody else. NPHET just provide public health advice.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Am I right in saying that since the Government announcement last week there have been what, 3 or 4 deaths? I do know that there were a lot of days with no recorded deaths at all.

Good job they found all those historical deaths to announce.

Which were all clearly announced as historical, on all the news I heard/read.

They can't win. They over-report the figures, they're criticised. They specifically announce they had some omissions and correct the figures - they're criticised.