Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

robbiezero

Golf is my Game wrote: »

No its spot on. You have to close the pubs at least until late September to be on the safe side of the number until people are pretty much all back from holidays and the schools have been open a few weeks or whatever. We all likes to criticise the politicians and they get a lot wrong and have to answer for, but when the rare case of them getting it right happens then you have to say fair play and not just complain about them.

They can't even do a simple f**king thing like easily and clearly announce that 1 person has died in the last 24 hours.

In the day of push notifications and live updates and a clickbait media it really isn't good enough to lead with "9 deaths" and know perfectly well that all the clickbait will lead with that headline.

dubdaymo

I have to admit that I can't help feeling that the death figures announcements are being manipulated.

After a few days with few or none suddenly it shoots up to 9 creating the impression that things have suddenly turned worse when that is not the case. I got quite a shock when I heard the 9 only to discover that when you drill down there was only one death today.

The headline should have been that there was only one death today and then an addendum that 8 more come from previous months going back to April. It's not what you say but how you say it that counts.

As well as that the figures should always have been accurately divided at least between those who died in the confines of a nursing/care home and those who died in the outside world. That's the only way to gauge what is actually happening out there in the big bad world.

I watch the 6.01 news every evening and I have never heard those figures given out.

FintanMcluskey

AUDI20 wrote: »

Very enlightening post as usual, Mickey Mouse virus says a lot about your level of intelligence,

No it says some can apply critical thinking.

Most are afraid because they are told to be afraid.

The same ones that are told it was suddenly safe to drive 20km from their homes after 2 months of stupid restrictions.

The same ones that don't challenge anything authority tells them.

The reporting of deaths this evening is just ridiculous. And its the reason why anyone with a functioning thought process will make their own decision about holidays abroad and having a house party with lots of friends.

robbiezero

dubdaymo wrote: »

I have to admit that I can't help feeling that the death figures announcements are being manipulated.

After a few days with few or none suddenly it shoots up to 9 creating the impression that things have suddenly turned worse when that is not the case. I got quite a shock when I heard the 9 only to discover that when you drill down there was only one death today.

The headline should have been that there was only one death today and then an addendum that 8 more come from previous months going back to April. It's not what you say but how you say it that counts.

As well as that the figures should always have been accurately divided at least between those who died in the confines of a nursing/care home and those who died in the outside world. That's the only way to gauge what is actually happening out there in the big bad world.

I watch the 6.01 news every evening and I have never heard those figures given out.

I do think that they are very happy to keep promoting the climate of fear.
At this point a 5 year old would know what the headlines of the press conference were going to be after the opening line.

Spanish Eyes

The biggest issue for us is that the spontaneity of normal life seems to be gone for now.

You know, you go for a drive or take the DART somewhere, go for a walk and decide to have a bite to eat. It ain't that easy anymore just dropping into a restaurant/food pub anymore. That's the only thing.

But getting good at the old picnic basket thing. Toilets and their proximity are a bit of an issue though.

But we will get over it. Bushes out in the Wicklow hills are ubiquitous!

ChelseaRentBoy

Looks like the virus is surging worldwide again. Not looking forward to the coming Autumn and Winter if things keep on this track.

FintanMcluskey

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The biggest issue for us is that the spontaneity of normal life seems to be gone for now.

You know, you go for a drive or take the DART somewhere, go for a walk and decide to have a bite to eat. It ain't that easy anymore just dropping into a restaurant/food pub anymore. That's the only thing.

But getting good at the old picnic basket thing. Toilets and their proximity are a bit of an issue though.

But we will get over it. Bushes out in the Wicklow hills are ubiquitous!

Yeah we flushed kids futures down the toilet and will get them to pay the bill for the overreaction for the rest of their lives but at least the bushes are plentiful in Wicklow!!

bb1234567

Hannibal36 wrote: »

I would beg to differ based on figures our economy faces the flu every year,the facts are there in the lockdown v no lockdown countries that it is no worse than a seasonal flu,its just a matter of if you want the facts or not,and what is the reason you don't want the facts? because you are doing well from the bond money.

Excess deaths equating to 0.3% of the entire population of New York died during March and April alone. Do you believe this to be common occurrence during flu season? If it was, New York would have a serious depopulation issue

lukas8888

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Looks like the virus is surging worldwide again. Not looking forward to the coming Autumn and Winter if things keep on this track.

But guess what,after reading many of your posts i have the sneaking feeling that you are.

Spanish Eyes

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yeah we flushed kids futures down the toilet and will get them to pay the bill for the overreaction for the rest of their lives but at least the bushes are plentiful in Wicklow!!

Relax and breathe.

Every generation pays the bills for past borrowings, nothing unusual about that. If you really think that opening pubs will sort out our economy, I'm sorry it won't.

But having said that, we are nearly there. Getting gradually to where some screamers want to be.

Patience is everything for the good of us all and the SCHOOL openings, which in fairness is a big priority now, if DES gets its act together. Over to you Norma.

Arghus

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I don't see or hear a mad clamour to reopen the pubs, except on here TBH.

But that's the nature of many comments on the thread, to be contrary, and I don't think it is reflected in real life out there much.

Most people just shrugged and got on with it.

Nail on the head.

Everyone else in the country getting on with it and continuing with life. Adjusting and managing.

In here the usual suspects still ranting and raving about the same things for months now. Oblivious. I don't think the restrictions are really the root cause of all those frustrations. I'm actually beginning to feel a certain degree of sympathy for them.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yeah we flushed kids futures down the toilet and will get them to pay the bill for the overreaction for the rest of their lives but at least the bushes are plentiful in Wicklow!!

How are kids futures being flushed down the toilet exactly?

Arghus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No it says some can apply critical thinking.

Yep, definitely a few examples that spring to mind alright...

Spanish Eyes

Arghus wrote: »

Nail on the head.

Everyone else in the country getting on with it and continuing with life. Adjusting and managing.

In here the usual suspects still ranting and raving about the same things for months now. Oblivious. I don't think the restrictions are really the root cause of all those frustrations.

It is great fun reading some of their posts, can literally see the spittle of anger coming out of their mouths. For what purpose I don't know. The pubs will re open when they are allowed to do so.

Must be the fact that some people think they are in straightjackets or something. They are not.

road_high

road_high wrote: »

Covid bedwetters Lol. Them to a T.
They’re the exact same loons that were queuing everywhere and clearing the stores of bog roll. Selfish arses

Yes, bedwetters, how funny, how very very funny. And so witty. Billy Connolly or Bill Hicks have nothing on these guys

Charles Babbage

Idbatterim wrote: »

More deaths from road accidents and probably work place deaths... take in the roads and everyone stop working... you can live forever....

Roads are a very good example. Road deaths are now a fraction of what they used to be because of better driving, better engineering, better cars, following simple steps like wearing seatbelts. There may be some damage done by Covid but it will be minimised if we all have to follow the rules, just as we do on the road. We still can use the roads, but in a responsible way. Life will go on under Covid but in a responsible way.

If this forum had existed 30 years ago there would be the same suspects ranting that seat belts are an infringement on liberty and that you can drive rightly with 6 or 7 pints in you.

Golf is my Game

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Roads are a very good example. Road deaths are now a fraction of what they used to be because of better driving, better engineering, better cars, following simple steps like wearing seatbelts. There may be some damage done by Covid but it will be minimised if we all have to follow the rules, just as we do on the road. We still can use the roads, but in a responsible way. Life will go on under Covid but in a responsible way.

If this forum had existed 30 years ago there would be the same suspects ranting that seat belts are an infringement on liberty and that you can drive rightly with 6 or 7 pints in you.

Thats a good point and I think thats what their doing where people can be safe. On the pubs Id probably go for it being restricted to older people in the beginning say over 65s where theres a limit onthe numbers and where it wouldnt get out of hand like if theres a free for all.

pjohnson

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It is great fun reading some of their posts, can literally see the spittle of anger coming out of their mouths. For what purpose I don't know. The pubs will re open when they are allowed to do so.

Must be the fact that some people think they are in straightjackets or something. They are not.

Agreed these threads have been a blast during all this. The conspiracies and complete lack of reality has been amazing.

Idbatterim

A consultant who did an excellent job of tryimg to predict how this would pan out, reckined 30-40 deaths day woukd be what public deemed acceptable to get back to some normality. He was wrong , its zero. You couldnt account for the idiocy of policy , public and politicians here .

Penfailed

Idbatterim wrote: »

A consultant who did an excellent job of tryimg to predict how this would pan out, reckined 30-40 deaths day woukd be what public deemed acceptable to get back to some normality. He was wrong , its zero. You couldnt account for the idiocy of policy , public and politicians here .

So he didn't do an excellent job then?

Arghus

Idbatterim wrote: »

A consultant who did an excellent job of tryimg to predict how this would pan out, reckined 30-40 deaths day woukd be what public deemed acceptable to get back to some normality. He was wrong , its zero. You couldnt account for the idiocy of policy , public and politicians here .

Mate, nearly everything in the country, aside from some pubs, has been back to some normality now for over a month.

Spanish Eyes

Idbatterim wrote: »

A consultant who did an excellent job of tryimg to predict how this would pan out, reckined 30-40 deaths day woukd be what public deemed acceptable to get back to some normality. He was wrong , its zero. You couldnt account for the idiocy of policy , public and politicians here .

I would personally be happy with no deaths at all, but you somehow seem to agree with 40 deaths a day to grab a pint or something. Bizarre, but no surprises there!

Jackman25

Arghus wrote: »

Mate, nearly everything in the country, aside from some pubs, has been back to some normality now for over a month.

Thats great. Your alright Jack.
Sher who cares about peoples livelihoods being f**ked over once your ok.

Ironically its the rich publicans are making out like bandits when the Government was good enough to get rid of the competition for them.

Jackman25

pjohnson wrote: »

Agreed these threads have been a blast during all this. The conspiracies and complete lack of reality has been amazing.

This thread has been a lot closer to the mark than some of what the doom-mongering loons were predicting and still are.

Penfailed

Jackman25 wrote: »

Thats great. Your alright Jack.
Sher who cares about peoples livelihoods being f**ked over once your ok.

I've seen posts like this a few times on this thread. A couple have been aimed at me. An innocent comment that things are pretty much getting back to normal gets a response like that ^^^
Nowhere did the OP say that, 'they were alright Jack.' Nowhere did they even hint at the fact that they don't care about peoples livelihoods being fúcked over.
Are you alright Jack(man25)?

Arghus

Jackman25 wrote: »

Thats great. Your alright Jack.
Sher who cares about peoples livelihoods being f**ked over once your ok.

Ironically its the rich publicans are making out like bandits when the Government was good enough to get rid of the competition for them.

Is this meant to a be response to what I posted? Bizarre outburst.

It makes no reference to what I did say and talks about a lot of things that I didn't get into at all.

I wouldn’t say this thread is funny, quite the opposite.

The economy tanking is absolutely not funny. Record numbers unemployed is not funny. Not educating our children for 6 months and counting is also no laughing matter. Cancelling very important screenings/tests and treatments for months on end is not funny. 350000 still getting a Covid payment that is now extended is not funny.

Unfortunately most people just can’t see this. Shielded by a government prepared to borrow billions and billions to kick the can further down the road rather than make any decisions. God help them if the Oxford vaccine doesn’t work out.

All of this for an illness that hasn’t even killed 2000 people with the government admitting that the deaths have been overstated.

Maybe the reality will hit one day, as you wave your kids off at the airport, wishing there was something for them to stay here for. But we didn’t prioritise their futures. We selfishly worried about our own health.

Spanish Eyes

Jackman25 wrote: »

This thread has been a lot closer to the mark than some of what the doom-mongering loons were predicting and still are.

We all knew the decisions would be made on good advice, and so far so good.

Some however were manic about the closures. Just here of course, the rest of Ireland coped and managed.

Jackman25

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

We all knew the decisions would be made on good advice, and so far so good.

Some however were manic about the closures. Just here of course, the rest of Ireland coped and managed.

There is a hell of a lot to play out yet before we see how well we have done.

Already the decision to postpone phase 4 looks idiotic.

Jackman25

Arghus wrote: »

Is this meant to a be response to what I posted? Bizarre outburst.

It makes no reference to what I did say and talks about a lot of things that I didn't get into at all.

You're all over this forum whining about people complaining about restrictions.
Maybe some of them have good reason for that and don't deserve to be sneered at.