Anyone hazard a guess for when the gyms will re-open

Alf Veedersane · 21-07-2020 9:30pm

JTMan wrote: »

50% is a believable number. I have noticed the gym a LOT quieter since I went back.

A lot of people that I tell that I am back in the gym look surprised. There are a lot of scared people out there who are unwilling to return to indoor activities like gyms.

To be fair, the gym is a lot quieter because numbers are limited so it's going to be quieter.

Anyone I know that was a regular gym goer was happy to go back.

The 50% is variable depending on location, which is interesting but logical....no surprise to see Australia with the lower end of % that wouldn't go back.

I'd also wonder do the restrictions have any impact, ie would it have any impact on people with numbers being limited etc.

caviardreams · 21-07-2020 9:54pm

I also wonder with some people able to WFH now they might go to the gym at an off peak time if they have more flexibility. Might reduce peak time traffic a little. Though as Alf says ultimately numbers are capped at 50 incl staff for now anyway so that's the max there can be.

antimatterx · 21-07-2020 10:04pm

I'll be working from home for at least the rest of the year. It will he an awful hassle for me to get to the gym, so I quit. I can just do home workouts.

matrim · 21-07-2020 10:29pm

Out of curiosity, I was looking a different flyefit gym slots today. Gyms like Maken street, Portbello, George St had slots. But Ranelagh and Drumcondra were booked for most of the day. So it might happen that gyms in the suburbs will become busier and ones in the city center will be quieter.

Mitch Connor · 22-07-2020 9:16am

From what i hear said, most gyms have a huge number of people who are members but who rarely go - may only do 1 or 2 classes a week and thats it. I can certainly see a majority of those people not returning.

But I would imagine that the majority of people who did regularly go will or have returned.

The obvious problem, though, is the gyms rely on those people who rarely go to increase their finances without being a crowding issue.

Going to be a tough time for gyms moving forward, and if any stories get out about pretty much any gym becoming a covid cluster... they are possibly all fecked.

FlubberJones · 22-07-2020 10:34am

I am super keen to get back to the gym and with my own local Ben Dunne not opening I'm moving to the local FlyFit.
I didn't join the first week of opening but will be going on Monday next, doing some mid day sessions to acclimatise myself to the layout and the new processes needed to manage the gym cleanly. From then I will gradually do the earlier sessions, hopefully they won't be too busy to restrict my training.

22-07-2020 10:50am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

From what i hear said, most gyms have a huge number of people who are members but who rarely go - may only do 1 or 2 classes a week and thats it. I can certainly see a majority of those people not returning.

But I would imagine that the majority of people who did regularly go will or have returned.

The obvious problem, though, is the gyms rely on those people who rarely go to increase their finances without being a crowding issue.

Going to be a tough time for gyms moving forward, and if any stories get out about pretty much any gym becoming a covid cluster... they are possibly all fecked.

exaclty, just one person with a tracing APP and everyone in the gym gets a call etc..I'd say this is more likely than not.

22-07-2020 10:51am

lcstress2012 wrote: »

Guys for anyone you in FlyeFit. See the way they want us to clean equipment after use. Usually I just wipe down the seat when I’m done with my sweat towel, now do they want use to sanitise dumbbells barbells and plates or what? Thanks

Customer Sanitisation Stations will be in place at each gym entrance and throughout each gym, enabling you to regularly sanitise your hands. Anti-bacterial sprays will also be located around the gym and we ask for you to clean down equipment before or after use.

22-07-2020 10:52am

rusty cole wrote: »

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exaclty, just one person with a tracing APP and everyone in the gym gets a call etc..I'd say this is more likely than not.

Yeah, but you need to be within 2m of someone for 15 minutes to be a close contact so that shouldn't be forgotten

Cill94 · 22-07-2020 10:58am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

From what I hear said, most gyms have a huge number of people who are members but who rarely go - may only do 1 or 2 classes a week and thats it. I can certainly see a majority of those people not returning.

But I would imagine that the majority of people who did regularly go will or have returned.

The obvious problem, though, is the gyms rely on those people who rarely go to increase their finances without being a crowding issue.

This is the majority of members in commercial gyms, and they do far less than one or two classes a week - they're essentially ghost members. Big gyms make their money by selling to people they know will never go. It's similar to the Netflix and Spotify model: membership is cheap enough that they won't be arsed to cancel it. I would not be surprised or upset to see these kind of gyms get wrecked by the covid situation.

On the other-hand, there is now an opportunity for smaller gyms who focus on client retention to do quite well out of this. There are a lot of people who have tried the virtual stuff and realised that they need in-person coaching, which is what the smaller gyms specialise in.

All depends on whether restrictions are brought back in and how the media frames gyms going forward.

B.A._Baracus · 22-07-2020 11:08am

I was in flyefit yesterday and I usually go at the same time so it was about 20-25% of what you would normally expect.

No need for your card you just go in and say your name and walk on through. They have a tablet set up on a stand with the front facing camera on. You use the camera to position your head in a circle and a temp checker will take your temp when you're in position.

No couches in the locker room and no showers as stated by every gym. Most people weren't changing in the locker room. Just leaving their bag their.

One of the trainer's said something about writing down what machines you use but I never got any details. Just used paper towels and spray provided (which there is a lot of)

Felt good to be back in the gym and could only do a fraction of what I could before :pac: that said I think going to the gym presents a certain amount of danger. It's just the nature of working out huffing and puffing, touching things that others have (even if we clean - mistakes can and will happen)

So I dunno. If things get worse the gym membership has to get hit on the head for me.

22-07-2020 11:17am

Augeo wrote: »

Yeah, but you need to be within 2m of someone for 15 minutes to be a close contact so that shouldn't be forgotten

i dont have the APP myself but does it sync with a nearby contact and then record the time you spent in their vicinity if their under 2mtrs?

Otherwise if you get a call, whose to say you were that close? and for that long?
how does it work?

actually just read it, it's useless if nobody else in the gym has the APP, so worse again. It totally relies on other APP users, of which
only 20% of the country are thus far.

RangeR · 22-07-2020 11:52am

rusty cole wrote: »

i dont have the APP myself

how does it work?

actually just read it, it's useless if nobody else in the gym has the APP, so worse again. It totally relies on other APP users, of which
only 20% of the country are thus far.

Install it

The more than install it, the better it works.

22-07-2020 1:30pm

rusty cole wrote: »

i dont have the APP myself but does it sync with a nearby contact and then record the time you spent in their vicinity if their under 2mtrs?......

With respect to the gym it'd be the gym that may be asked who was in there at the time a confirmed case has been identified.

As folk are mentioning Flyefit are operating a booking system of 50 folk in at any time max, they've a list of names.

22-07-2020 3:35pm

Augeo wrote: »

With respect to the gym it'd be the gym that may be asked who was in there at the time a confirmed case has been identified.

As folk are mentioning Flyefit are operating a booking system of 50 folk in at any time max, they've a list of names.

so you think with privacy and civil rights etc, anyone can ask who was in here? in relation to a non criminal investigation??ehh I don't think so, that's why the app is optional. Plus then how do you prove they were <2mtr ? and the duration??
Sure will they go chasing everyone on the 46A IF one person is Covid positive on the top deck??

I can see that alright, the Gestapo kicking in the Flyfit doors demanding footage of anyone present during the breach!!! :rolleyes:

If this is the Govt attitude to my right to privacy, then it's their own fault there's no takers for the app!!

https://www.thejournal.ie/public-services-card-report-regina-doherty-4813611-Sep2019/

givyjoe · 22-07-2020 3:37pm

rusty cole wrote: »

so you think with privacy and civil rights etc, anyone can ask who was in here? in relation to a non criminal investigation??ehh I don't think so, that's why the app is optional. Plus then how do you prove they were <2mtr ? and the duration??
Sure will they go chasing everyone on the 46A IF one person is Covid positive on the top deck??

I can see that alright, the Gestapo kicking in the Flyfit doors demanding footage of anyone present during the breach!!! :rolleyes:

Sorry, but do you think that flyefit won't hand the names over of people who were potentially in close contact with a confirmed case? Assuming said + person gives their recent whereabouts to HSE.

22-07-2020 3:51pm

givyjoe wrote: »

Sorry, but do you think that flyefit won't hand the names over of people who were potentially in close contact with a confirmed case? Assuming said + person gives their recent whereabouts to HSE.

First of all, you're talking about a force that threw out thousands of penalty points. Second of all, they have bigger things to worry about than enforcing this type of stuff, it would be a political disaster too.

You either take the APP or you don't. Your whereabouts is none of anyone's concern lest you're party to a crime. It's not a crime to have Covid-19.
Sure most of the people coming into the country and filling out the mandatory forms, are not answering their phones to confirm social isolation compliance.
you're living in la la land if you believe this will happen!

also in accordance with guidelines, are they going to freeze frame every video and measure the 2mtrs and time taken from the offender within said 2mtr zone

22-07-2020 4:16pm

Augeo wrote: »

With respect to the gym it'd be the gym that may be asked who was in there at the time a confirmed case has been identified.

As folk are mentioning Flyefit are operating a booking system of 50 folk in at any time max, they've a list of names.

rusty cole wrote: »

so you think with privacy and civil rights etc, anyone can ask who was in here? in relation to a non criminal investigation??ehh I don't think so, that's why the app is optional. Plus then how do you prove they were <2mtr ? and the duration??
Sure will they go chasing everyone on the 46A IF one person is Covid positive on the top deck??

I can see that alright, the Gestapo kicking in the Flyfit doors demanding footage of anyone present during the breach!!! :rolleyes:

If this is the Govt attitude to my right to privacy, then it's their own fault there's no takers for the app!!

https://www.thejournal.ie/public-services-card-report-regina-doherty-4813611-Sep2019/

I even bolded the may word to avoid a fncktard rant.
To not notify folk they were potentially in contact with a covid case would be negligent IMO.

Idjit · 22-07-2020 4:32pm

rusty cole wrote: »

First of all, you're talking about a force that threw out thousands of penalty points. Second of all, they have bigger things to worry about than enforcing this type of stuff, it would be a political disaster too.

You either take the APP or you don't. Your whereabouts is none of anyone's concern lest you're party to a crime. It's not a crime to have Covid-19.

You seem to think it will be the gardai dealing with the contact tracing, that's not the case. The app is for the HSE to contact you and let you know you have been in proximity to someone who tested positive. They don't know your details and they don't divulge the details of the person who tested positive. The App works off of Bluetooth alone. You give up far more private information about yourself by using Google Maps than you do by using this App.

Ignoring the app for a minute, would you not want your gym or the HSE to phone you to notify you that you'd been in the same workout slot as a positive case?

Alf Veedersane · 22-07-2020 4:35pm

rusty cole wrote: »

It's not a crime to have Covid-19.

No it isn't. But it's important to stop its spread. This is basic stuff

rusty cole wrote: »

some whataboutery

also in accordance with guidelines, are they going to freeze frame every video and measure the 2mtrs and time taken from the offender within said 2mtr zone

No, they won't be freeze framing. They may potentially ask you to be tested so that you don't spread it to others, should you have contracted it from a confirmed case.

22-07-2020 4:41pm

Augeo wrote: »

I even bolded the may word to avoid a fncktard rant.
To not notify folk they were potentially in contact with a covid case would be negligent IMO.

nobody is saying it wouldn't be, hence the tracker APP.

there's cameras on buses, so when a person tests positive in your mind, the guards should find the bus, watch the camera footage and identify as many as they can, so as to notify them by any means necessary just because its negligent to do so!

it's impractical and also just so you know, it's illegal to use that camera or info
for anything other than what it their for. I'm not arguing with you out of being a dick head, i'm just saying how it would be.

have a read at this lunacy and you'll get what I mean for instance.
A clever solicitor would go to war on such things.

https://www.thejournal.ie/aircoach-cctv-data-protection-2836806-Jun2016/

Alf Veedersane · 22-07-2020 4:51pm

rusty cole wrote: »

nobody is saying it wouldn't be, hence the tracker APP.

there's cameras on buses, so when a person tests positive in your mind, the guards should find the bus, watch the camera footage and identify as many as they can, so as to notify them by any means necessary just because its negligent to do so!

it's impractical and also just so you know, it's illegal to use that camera or info
for anything other than what it their for. I'm not arguing with you out of being a dick head, i'm just saying how it would be.

have a read at this lunacy and you'll get what I mean for instance.
A clever solicitor would go to war on such things.

https://www.thejournal.ie/aircoach-cctv-data-protection-2836806-Jun2016/

What in the name of jaysus?

If the gym has a list of members that trained at the same time as a confirmed case, then of course they should give the names of those members to help identify if they have contracted the virus.

It has nothing to do with the Gardaí or CCTV on buses

22-07-2020 4:58pm

rusty cole wrote: »

nobody is saying it wouldn't be, hence the tracker APP.

there's cameras on buses, so when a person tests positive in your mind, the guards should find the bus, watch the camera footage and identify as many as they can, so as to notify them by any means necessary just because its negligent to do so!

it's impractical and also just so you know, it's illegal to use that camera or info
for anything other than what it their for. I'm not arguing with you out of being a dick head, i'm just saying how it would be..............

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort regarding buses.

I was in flyfit last Monday at a particualr time, Flyefit know that and have a list of the other 49 people who were in there. If I identify as Covid positive and tell the contact tracing folk I was in Flyefit in my mind they MAY contact Flyefit.

matrim · 22-07-2020 5:13pm

Even if the gym don't want to hand over names of members, when contacted that someone that had been at the gym at a particular time is positive, the gym can (and should) contact all members who were signed up at that time, and let them know that they may have been in contact with someone who has covid.

No need for cameras or Gardai or any GDPR hysteria.

givyjoe · 22-07-2020 6:30pm

rusty cole wrote: »

First of all, you're talking about a force that threw out thousands of penalty points. Second of all, they have bigger things to worry about than enforcing this type of stuff, it would be a political disaster too.

You either take the APP or you don't. Your whereabouts is none of anyone's concern lest you're party to a crime. It's not a crime to have Covid-19.
Sure most of the people coming into the country and filling out the mandatory forms, are not answering their phones to confirm social isolation compliance.
you're living in la la land if you believe this will happen!

also in accordance with guidelines, are they going to freeze frame every video and measure the 2mtrs and time taken from the offender within said 2mtr zone

I stopped reading after the first line.. wtf have the guards got to do with contact tracing? Are you John Waters?!

The Davestator · 22-07-2020 9:04pm

matrim wrote: »

Even if the gym don't want to hand over names of members, when contacted that someone that had been at the gym at a particular time is positive, the gym can (and should) contact all members who were signed up at that time, and let them know that they may have been in contact with someone who has covid.

No need for cameras or Gardai or any GDPR hysteria.

This. I run a gym and if someone has contracted covid that has been in the gym in the last 14 days, I will contact the other people who were in the session(s) as the person to advise them of same. Up to them what they do with that information.

23-07-2020 9:03am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

What in the name of jaysus?

If the gym has a list of members that trained at the same time as a confirmed case, then of course they should give the names of those members to help identify if they have contracted the virus.

It has nothing to do with the Gardaí or CCTV on buses

I know they SHOULD and I Know they COULD but it would be the end of that gym too. If that's the policy, the gym should insist all users have the app! in compliance with the law. Otherwise, how will they know they had a case of any substance. I know (and in fairness to) the poster who aid they MAY be asked to hand over details of gym goers on that day, but the man power alone is just not there, again, hence the APP, let a blanket computerized system do it, 100% efficiency. If my gym had a case and the guards asked for a list and that CASE was down stairs for the duration, whilst I was upstairs , I'd be pissed at the prospect of having to call my boss and take 1-2 weeks off in isolation. and I would cancel the membership and wait it out, this would actually prove ben dunnes point, IT CANNOT BE DONE... so lets hope it doesn't come to that because it's curtains for gyms then.

And NO, just because an idea doesn't marry with another opposing view, doesn't make me john ****ing waters.

23-07-2020 9:07am

rusty cole wrote: »

............ I know the poster said they MAY be asked to hand over details of gym goers of that day but the man power alone is just not there, ............

To get in to Flyefit you are booked in at a time and as you enter they check you are on the list in their hand. What manpower is required to hand over an A4 sheet of paper?

This chap runs a gym, doesn't seem to agree with your obtuse view.........

The Davestator wrote: »

This. I run a gym and if someone has contracted covid that has been in the gym in the last 14 days, I will contact the other people who were in the session(s) as the person to advise them of same. Up to them what they do with that information.

You aren't a close contact just because you are in there at the same time, if you aren't within 2m of someone for 15 minutes or more and you have been surface cleaning you won't have to "to call my boss and take 1-2 weeks off in isolation". Folk who may visit a vulnerable person would no doubt be happy with the info to the extent they can perhaps curtail their visits for a period.

23-07-2020 9:24am

Augeo wrote: »

To get in to Flyefit you are booked in at a time and as you enter they check you are on the list in their hand. What manpower is required to hand over an A4 sheet of paper?

This chap runs a gym, doesn't seem to agree with your obtuse view.........

You aren't a close contact just because you are in there at the same time, if you aren't within 2m of someone for 15 minutes or more and you have been surface cleaning you won't have to "to call my boss and take 1-2 weeks off in isolation". Folk who may visit a vulnerable person would no doubt be happy with the info to the extent they can perhaps curtail their visits for a period.

I'm talking about the manpower of any 1 or two guards to request a list, they have much to do in general no? Sorry warden Norton, I didn't realise I was being obtuse!! oh so johnny gym owner is going to start mailing or txting people to say they may have been near somebody today in the gym who tested positive. That's fair enough I get that. Now If I have no idea who it was because johnny gym owner cannot disclose the persons identity, all I can do is assume I may have been near them or within grunting distance on a thread mill for 15 minutes. so Im back to where we started, do I get a test? and if so then I must self isolate. and yes it all makes sense but once again we now echo DUNNES view, this just cannot be done.

and stop talking offence so easily BTW will you, lets all tease out the points from here, seeing all we have in common is to keep training and ponder the options.

TRUCE! ok

23-07-2020 9:25am

rusty cole wrote: »

I'm talking about the manpower of any 1 or two guards to request a list,.......

It's nothing to do with the Gardai.

The HSE have contact tracing teams.

You are talking out your hoop repeatedly .......... keep going if you want.

Anyone hazard a guess for when the gyms will re-open

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