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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #8972
    GocRh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭GocRh


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    We don’t know that the criteria is less cases per 100,000 than us. It may simply be less than 5 per 100, 000 or some other calculation that we don’t know about. What it does appear to be however is based on some level of fact as the 15 countries are the places with the lowest case numbers in the EEA, plus Monaco, Gibraltar and San Marino which are completely surrounded by eea countries

    It's been well publicised in the media that the criteria is number of cases lower than Ireland - which according to the Irish times was rounded up to 5 per 100k. And that the list would be reviewed regularly to account for changes in the number of cases - both in Ireland and abroad. The very definition of shifting the goalposts.

    To my knowledge (happy to be corrected) all other EU countries defined a number that they could cope with, taking into account their testing and tracing capacity. In Germany it's 40 per 100k, Austria if I'm not mistaken is 20. The ECDC considers under 20 a good level.

    If 5 per 100k is our magic number, why not simply limit the number of passengers from Europe flying to Ireland? It's plain and simple math - countries with 10 per 100k, only 50k passengers per month are allowed, 20 only 25k, and so on. Simply limit flight capacity. Predictable and logical and is exactly what NZ and other countries are doing.


  • #8973
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GocRh wrote: »
    It's been well publicised in the media that the criteria is number of cases lower than Ireland - which according to the Irish times was rounded up to 5 per 100k. And that the list would be reviewed regularly to account for changes in the number of cases - both in Ireland and abroad. The very definition of shifting the goalposts.

    To my knowledge (happy to be corrected) all other EU countries defined a number that they could cope with, taking into account their testing and tracing capacity. In Germany it's 40 per 100k, Austria if I'm not mistaken is 20. The ECDC considers under 20 a good level.

    If 5 per 100k is our magic number, why not simply limit the number of passengers from Europe flying to Ireland? It's plain and simple math - countries with 10 per 100k, only 50k passengers per month are allowed, 20 only 25k, and so on. Simply limit flight capacity. Predictable and logical and is exactly what NZ and other countries are doing.

    The supposition in the media has been its less cases than us but I don’t believe it’s been officially stated, but appears that they at least used as a starting point. This will shift as we learn more a well it should. New Zealand are just not letting anyone in without quarantine, which is predictable but not sustainable


  • #8974
    GocRh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭GocRh


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Apologies for my mistake on Iceland.

    Greenland is an autonomous region of Denmark however.

    And it appears the data on the ECDC website for Iceland is wrong and they are averaging 5 cases per day currently which pushes them well above us in cases per 100,000, so we are both wrong

    Greenland is part of the OCT (oversees countries and territories), which is not EU nor EEA. OCT countries and territories do have a close cooperation with the EU, including 4 freedoms with some limitations.

    Any source for the inconsistency in the ECDC data for Iceland? Genuinely curious. According to Google Iceland hasn't had more than 10 cases a day since April.


  • #8975
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GocRh wrote: »
    Greenland is part of the OCT (oversees countries and territories), which is not EU nor EEA. OCT countries and territories do have a close cooperation with the EU, including 4 freedoms with some limitations.

    Any source for the inconsistency in the ECDC data for Iceland? Genuinely curious. According to Google Iceland hasn't had more than 10 cases a day since April.

    They do seem to have had a small spike since the start of the month, no more than 7 or 8 cases a day apart from yesterday with 19 and have a moving average of about 5, but that would be equivalent to around 70 here. A single cluster could make things look worse there than they actually are for them


  • #8976
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    fr336 wrote: »
    It's amusing you think RTE sit around all day to think up more ways to put the fear of god into people. People will approach them with stories they think need to be told. I'm sure RTE run stories from business owners hysterical at the state of the economy - would you disagree with those stories?

    The few bits of RTE I have seen recently:

    Speaking in apocalyptic tones about the R0 going above 1. Nary a mention of the volatility of R0 when cases are low (A vital proviso).

    Never seen them mention the stability of the testing positivity at 0.3% or mention the number of tests conducted etc or anything to mitigate the flood of doom.

    Again I watch little enough of it thankfully so maybe I missed those things.

    I agree with you that no doubt they are doing the economic doom also, and climate change doom and whatever doom they can lay their hands on.

    They aren't as bad as Virgin Media News, but thats a very low bar.


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  • #8977
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    robbiezero wrote: »
    The few bits of RTE I have seen recently:

    Speaking in apocalyptic tones about the R0 going above 1. Nary a mention of the volatility of R0 when cases are low (A vital proviso).

    Never seen them mention the stability of the testing positivity at 0.3% or mention the number of tests conducted etc or anything to mitigate the flood of doom.

    Again I watch little enough of it thankfully so maybe I missed those things.

    I agree with you that no doubt they are doing the economic doom also, and climate change doom and whatever doom they can lay their hands own.

    They aren't as bad as Virgin Media News, but thats a very low bar.

    It’s dumbing down the message rather than a campaign of hyping the information. They assume people can’t understand percentages, rates of transmission and dumb it down to number of cases and setup r0 as a convenient crutch to hand a bit of science around it without understanding what it actually means


  • #8978
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, you'll be dying at some stage and the economy is already fcuked.

    Might as well enjoy your life.

    What is it going to take for some to understand this isn't the plague.

    The CFR is dropping as testing has increased. To near enough influenza.

    The response overeacted entirely, especially on an island with 6m inhabitants.

    We based our reaction on northern Italy where 10m inhabitants lived in area the size of Munster.

    Now we know we were wrong nobody has the balls to admit it


  • #8979
    hamburgham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Pressure from what? The wards, admissions and A&E have never been so quiet.

    My friend also noted, that the frontline staff who had declared themselves to be in the vulnerable category, were without exception the most work-shy layabouts.

    I'm sure the correlation was entirely coincidental though.

    Absolutely, it’s a free pass for malingerers and nothing you can say.


  • #8980
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    What is it going to take for some to understand this isn't the plague.

    The CFR is dropping as testing has increased. To near enough influenza.

    The response overeacted entirely, especially on an island with 6m inhabitants.

    We based our reaction on northern Italy where 10m inhabitants lived in area the size of Munster.

    Now we know we were wrong nobody has the balls to admit it

    They have bought in too deep to the lockdown narrative. Billions of euros and hundreds of thousands of viable jobs flushed down the toilet. To admit to a hysterical overreaction now is politically impossible for them.

    So here we are 4 months later, the hospitals empty and a tiny handful of cases every day, the vast majority of which have little to no symptoms and we're still in quasi-lockdown.

    When is the last time the age of any of the deaths was reported on by RTE? When is the last time someone below the age of 80, who wasn't seriously ill from something else, has died of this 'killer' virus. - these facts wouldn't suit the project-fear narrative at all.


  • #8981
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,156 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    facehugger99 wrote:
    They have bought in too deep to the lockdown narrative. Billions of euros and hundreds of thousands of viable jobs flushed down the toilet. To admit to a hysterical overreaction now is politically impossible for them.


    You d be wondering do people be watching actual news at times!


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  • #8982
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭almostover


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    They have bought in too deep to the lockdown narrative. Billions of euros and hundreds of thousands of viable jobs flushed down the toilet. To admit to a hysterical overreaction now is politically impossible for them.

    So here we are 4 months later, the hospitals empty and a tiny handful of cases every day, the vast majority of which have little to no symptoms and we're still in quasi-lockdown.

    When is the last time the age of any of the deaths was reported on by RTE? When is the last time someone below the age of 80, who wasn't seriously ill from something else, has died of this 'killer' virus. - these facts wouldn't suit the project-fear narrative at all.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctor-dies-of-coronavirus-after-treating-patients-in-irish-hospitals-1.4310753

    Get your head out of your rear end lad. This doctor died after spending 3 months in intensive care with COVID-19. It's a dangerous virus. Ireland's response to the pandemic has been very appropriate. The restrictions that we've taken are to protect the capacity in our healthcare system and to protect the lives of our medical staff. Nobody should go to work and die trying to help others.


  • #8983
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,225 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    They have bought in too deep to the lockdown narrative. Billions of euros and hundreds of thousands of viable jobs flushed down the toilet. To admit to a hysterical overreaction now is politically impossible for them.

    So here we are 4 months later, the hospitals empty and a tiny handful of cases every day, the vast majority of which have little to no symptoms and we're still in quasi-lockdown.

    When is the last time the age of any of the deaths was reported on by RTE? When is the last time someone below the age of 80, who wasn't seriously ill from something else, has died of this 'killer' virus. - these facts wouldn't suit the project-fear narrative at all.

    Yesterday....a 59 year old doctor.....probably just part of the project fear conspiracy I'm sure. One of your most embarassing posts yet.


  • #8984
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    almostover wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctor-dies-of-coronavirus-after-treating-patients-in-irish-hospitals-1.4310753

    Get your head out of your rear end lad. This doctor died after spending 3 months in intensive care with COVID-19. It's a dangerous virus. Ireland's response to the pandemic has been very appropriate. The restrictions that we've taken are to protect the capacity in our healthcare system and to protect the lives of our medical staff. Nobody should go to work and die trying to help others.

    And yet many do - all the time in fact and we don't shut down society because of it.
    Should we stop driving cars because people die in road accidents or stop building houses because people die on building sites?

    If you think the overreaction to the virus has been proportionate to the dangers posed, you're the one who needs to get their head out of their arse


  • #8985
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,156 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    And yet many do - all the time in fact and we don't shut down society because of it.
    Should we stop driving cars because people die in road accidents or stop building houses because people die on building sites?

    If you think the overreaction to the virus has been proportionate to the dangers posed, you're the one who needs to get their head out of their arse

    we ve made our economy so 'efficient', particularly the private sector, when a wee virus came along, we had to shut it down, the poor delicate flower it actually is


  • #8986
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    What is it going to take for some to understand this isn't the plague.

    The CFR is dropping as testing has increased. To near enough influenza.

    The response overeacted entirely, especially on an island with 6m inhabitants.

    We based our reaction on northern Italy where 10m inhabitants lived in area the size of Munster.

    Now we know we were wrong nobody has the balls to admit it

    The CFR of Influenza is about 0.1%. There is also a vaccine for influenza which prevents a large % of cases, especially in those most vulnerable. While best estimates but the IFR of Covid at 0.65% with most reasonable estimates in the region of 0.3-1% and no vaccine reducing the incidence.
    The good thing though is the measures slowing covid will also slow flu so will likely have an additional benefit this year.


  • #8987
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    They have bought in too deep to the lockdown narrative. Billions of euros and hundreds of thousands of viable jobs flushed down the toilet. To admit to a hysterical overreaction now is politically impossible for them.

    So here we are 4 months later, the hospitals empty and a tiny handful of cases every day, the vast majority of which have little to no symptoms and we're still in quasi-lockdown.

    When is the last time the age of any of the deaths was reported on by RTE? When is the last time someone below the age of 80, who wasn't seriously ill from something else, has died of this 'killer' virus. - these facts wouldn't suit the project-fear narrative at all.

    Literally just this week. FFS - never let facts get in the way of a good rant

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctor-dies-of-coronavirus-after-treating-patients-in-irish-hospitals-1.4310753


  • #8988
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    almostover wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctor-dies-of-coronavirus-after-treating-patients-in-irish-hospitals-1.4310753

    Get your head out of your rear end lad. This doctor died after spending 3 months in intensive care with COVID-19. It's a dangerous virus. Ireland's response to the pandemic has been very appropriate. The restrictions that we've taken are to protect the capacity in our healthcare system and to protect the lives of our medical staff. Nobody should go to work and die trying to help others.

    People die all the time of all ages and flu kills people at 60 years of age too.

    I am sure you lockdown merchants have some weak explanation for why during a supposedly deadly pandemic with a virus killing people of all ages our leader decided BLM protesters don't need to adhere to the same rules as were imposed on the rest of us,have Black and upper class White kids some inherent immunity to Covid that we don't know about.

    Or how about a doctor working movie quotes into his historic speeches for bets,would he be doing that if we were dealing with a modern incarnation of the Black death or would it be because he knows it's not a dangerous virus at all and is having the time of his life,with access to money he could only dream of during the austerity years.


  • #8989
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    People die all the time of all ages and flu kills people at 60 years of age too.

    I am sure you lockdown merchants have some weak explanation for why during a supposedly deadly pandemic with a virus killing people of all ages our leader decided BLM protesters don't need to adhere to the same rules as were imposed on the rest of us,have Black and middle and upper class White kids some inherent immunity to Covid that we don't know about.

    Or how about a doctor working movie quotes into his historic speeches for bets,would he be doing that if we were dealing with a modern incarnation of the Black death or would it be because he knows it's not a dangerous virus at all and is having the time of his life,with access to money he could only dream of during the austerity years.

    Anyone who disagrees with the alternative fact brigade is a lockdown merchant?


  • #8990
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Anyone who disagrees with the alternative fact brigade is a lockdown merchant?

    What else would you call it at this stage?Our children haven't been at school in 6 months and the way they are talking they aren't going back soon.

    Its all well and good for you and your ilk who are doing well economically from this farce,and can pay for private tutors or even can afford time for your children to educate them.But spare a thought for the children left with parents drinking their heads off,no work,getting paid a wage every week for nothing,and their kids now haven't even got school to go to,a Zombie apocalypse would not even warrant ruining the whole country like this.

    Every failing business has down tooled and decided the Covid payment is better,then combined with the business which will be lost because of unworkable restrictions and it is an indisputable fact now at this point that the minute the subsidies stop there is going to be business closures on mass across the country. Leaving nothing but ghost towns,but its fine tech is doing well we can do everything online now who cares if our towns and cites go to hell,we got a good app on our phone for tracing covid,that is killing nobody.


  • #8991
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    And yet many do - all the time in fact and we don't shut down society because of it.
    Should we stop driving cars because people die in road accidents or stop building houses because people die on building sites?

    If you think the overreaction to the virus has been proportionate to the dangers posed, you're the one who needs to get their head out of their arse

    Can you catch a potentially fatal virus from a road accident? You can on building sites. One was shut down recently.

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  • #8992
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Can you catch a potentially fatal virus from a road accident? You can on building sites. One was shut down recently.

    You been in here cheering it on from the start you are a shill of the highest order you are obviously doing well economically from this farce to be as militant as you are.This whole thing is corruption plain and simple and you know it and it's your job to muddy the waters in here for the confused middle.

    You are the literal enemy of the Irish people,lives are being lost,children's lives are being ruined,people are getting angry,but keep cheering my man what goes around comes around nothing more sure in life,i swear to god nothing more sure of that,what goes around comes around,so enjoy yourself now but you will get what you deserve as we all will,nothing more sure in life.


  • #8993
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,156 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    You been in here cheering it on from the start you are a shill of the highest order you are obviously doing well economically from this farce to be as militant as you are.This whole thing is corruption plain and simple and you know it and it's your job to muddy the waters in here for the confused middle.

    You are the literal enemy of the Irish people,lives are being lost,children's lives are being ruined,people are getting angry,but keep cheering my man what goes around comes around nothing more sure in life,i swear to god nothing more sure of that,what goes around comes around,so enjoy yourself now but you will get what you deserve as we all will,nothing more sure in life.

    become one of us, its the easiest money ive ever 'earned'!


  • #8994
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    And yet many do - all the time in fact and we don't shut down society because of it.
    Should we stop driving cars because people die in road accidents or stop building houses because people die on building sites?

    If you think the overreaction to the virus has been proportionate to the dangers posed, you're the one who needs to get their head out of their arse

    Mind numbing...


  • #8995
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Literally just this week. FFS - never let facts get in the way of a good rant

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctor-dies-of-coronavirus-after-treating-patients-in-irish-hospitals-1.4310753

    I am back. Briefly albeit - I've read the entire article, where does it say that the person was a healthy 59 year old individual with no underlying conditions?


  • #8996
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    become one of us, its the easiest money ive ever 'earned'!

    It's a bit hard to just leap into the corrupt workings of government my man,are you going to try and tell me you aren't doing well economically too?


  • #8997
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    What else would you call it at this stage?Our children haven't been at school in 6 months and the way they are talking they aren't going back soon.

    Its all well and good for you and your ilk who are doing well economically from this farce,and can pay for private tutors or even can afford time for your children to educate them.But spare a thought for the children left with parents drinking their heads off,no work,getting paid a wage every week for nothing,and their kids now haven't even got school to go to,a Zombie apocalypse would not even warrant ruining the whole country like this.

    Every failing business has down tooled and decided the Covid payment is better,then combined with the business which will be lost because of unworkable restrictions and it is an indisputable fact now at this point that the minute the subsidies stop there is going to be business closures on mass across the country. Leaving nothing but ghost towns,but its fine tech is doing well we can do everything online now who cares if our towns and cites go to hell,we got a good app on our phone for tracing covid,that is killing nobody.

    Look at the return to school thread and see what I am arguing before you make broad assumptions. Just because I call out some of the BS facts spouted on this thread does not mean I am arguing for continued lockdown


  • #8998
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,156 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    It's a bit hard to just leap into the corrupt workings of government my man,are you going to try and tell me you aren't doing well economically too?

    we re way beyond the public sector is this game, they only wish they had as handy number as us, happy days!


  • #8999
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    we re way beyond the public sector is this game, they only wish they had as handy number as us, happy days!

    Listen man it doesn't take a detective to work out who is doing well economically from this and who is not.You clearly are so i am not sure what point you are making.


  • #9000
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Its good to see this thread still going strong. There ll be 10+ pages of this thread alone about 59 year old doctor.

    Curve was flattened in 2nd week of May. We are end of July now and some businesses are still ordered to stay shut.

    We've kept over 30,000 pub staff at home this week due to 1 death with covid.
    Its Thursday today....


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  • #9001
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,156 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    Listen man it doesn't take a detective to work out who is doing well economically from this and who is not.You clearly are so i am not sure what point you are making.

    very very few are doing well outta this one, whos doing well?


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