F1 2020: Styrian GP (Austria, Part Zwei)

Didn't get to watch live but finished watching the C4 highlights there. The midfield is very interesting with a number of terms close to each other but overall Merc well ahead of everyone, then a step down to RB and then another step down to the rest.

What a shocker from Ferrari and specifically Leclerc. Maybe some understandable frustration caused him to dive in like that but taking yourself and your fellow teammate out is ridiculously bad.

CFlat wrote: »

Interesting that Binotti didn't want to apportion blame. I wonder had it been Vet who caused the incident would he be looking at his P45. Le Clerc is the wunderkind at the moment.

If Vettel did it it would be the latest in a long line of crashes and disasters. LeClerc made a mistake today and it cost them dearly. But let's not pretend their form for stupid crashes is comparable.

Absolutely loving the midfield battle this year, and how McLaren and Racing Point are both fighting for podiums. Constructors Championship will be a real dogfight.

Perez's drive was sensational, but also showed up the gap between him and Stroll. Regardless of him being Lawrence's son, I can't see the other investors being too happy with him being kept on next season, especially with the likes of Vettel being available, and with driver salaries outside the budget caps.

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Perez's drive was sensational, but also showed up the gap between him and Stroll. Regardless of him being Lawrence's son, I can't see the other investors being too happy with him being kept on next season, especially with the likes of Vettel being available, and with driver salaries outside the budget caps.

If Stroll's team mate was Alonso/Hamilton/Verstappen then the performance difference might be excusable, but Perez is an average driver. Capable of the odd very impressive drive, the odd terrible performance, but mostly just... ok. I'd put him in the same category as Hulkenburg or Bottas. That leaves Stroll as a below average driver, at best.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

How are Hulk and Bottas in the same category?

Same category as Perez, i.e. average. Good, but not on the same level as the elite drivers.

quokula wrote: »

I wouldn't put Bottas on the same level as Perez and Hulk, they were always among the most outstanding talents of the midfield. Bottas would be the next tier down, more on par with a Kvyat or Magnussen.

Would disagree with this, Bottas is definitely an equal of Perez and Hulk. I think people forget that he was very good between 2014 and 2016 with Williams.

Top Dog wrote: »

Can someone please explain why Hulk is being mentioned in the same sentence as Bottas and Perez?! Bottas is a multiple grand prix winner. Perez has shown that on his day he can take ther fight to most anyone. Hulk has ... the record for most amount of races without ever stepping on a podium? It's nearly on the same fantasy level as he who shall not be named (but featured in first practice the weekend just gone)

You mean Kubica 🙂

I think Nico Hulkingberg was a good driver but he was also very unlucky.

Top Dog wrote: »

Can someone please explain why Hulk is being mentioned in the same sentence as Bottas and Perez?! Bottas is a multiple grand prix winner. Perez has shown that on his day he can take ther fight to most anyone. Hulk has ... the record for most amount of races without ever stepping on a podium? It's nearly on the same fantasy level as he who shall not be named (but featured in first practice the weekend just gone)

Bottas would have won nothing or come nowhere if he had the cars Hulkenberg had, I thought that would be so obvious that it didn't need to be said. Hulkenberg would probably have at least one WDC under his belt now if he'd been in the cars Bottas has been.

Hulkenberg and Perez were team-mates for 3 years. They were closely matched in that time, but Hulkenberg generally had the edge. Perez did come on top in points 2 out of those three years, but it has to be noted that across those two seasons Hulkenberg suffered no fewer than 9 DNFs while Sergio suffered just one, so there was a lot of luck involved. It's also worth pointing out that the year before they were teammates, Hulkenberg was in a Sauber and Perez was in a McLaren, yet Nico finished ahead of Sergio in the championship. The other McLaren scored 73 points while the other Sauber scored just 6, so there is absolutely no question which car was superior.

There's a reason why Renault chased after Hulkenberg when they needed someone to lead them. He was also very close to signing for Ferrari a few years earlier but things just never fell into place for him. So much of an F1 driver's success is down to being in the right place at the right time, and Hulkenberg just missed out on ever being in a car that could compete unfortunately.

So many people just wont accept how good checho is. Button, Hulkenberg Ocon and Stroll all finished on less points than him when his teammates. He got a 3 and a half second pit stop yesterday messing up his race a fair bit. He is exciting and risky when given a chance and a nice guy.
He has put the time in for years now and deserves a shot.

Que somebody saying his time at McLaren was his chance because they refuse to believe McLaren arnt in the same league as red bull Mercedes and Ferrari.

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

I didn't know about the rest, but I had a fair notion Button did better than Perez did at McLaren

Button had 73 to Sergio's 49, so a bit off. Can't say a couple lucky results did it for Button either cause it finished 12-7 to Button in terms of highest finisher

I'm not saying whether Perez is any good or not, but he didn't beat Jenson

Sorry he out qualified Jenson over the season but his wild ways gave him a few incidents during the season. He was young and foolish at the time. I dont know if it was the team or Jenson but he got the push and then went on if I remember correctly tly to outscore Jenson the following season. Did McClaren replace him with Magnussen?

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Sorry he out qualified Jenson over the season but his wild ways gave him a few incidents during the season. He was young and foolish at the time. I dont know if it was the team or Jenson but he got the push and then went on if I remember correctly tly to outscore Jenson the following season. Did McClaren replace him with Magnussen?

Yes they did indeed in 2014. Both were deemed to be the next big champion by McLaren and then deemed not by the end of there time with them.