F1 2020: Styrian GP (Austria, Part Zwei)

Charlie-Bravo

It is great to get another race in Austria this weekend, and this time maybe the bigger teams will get things right (hopefully Red Bull).

We don't think Ferrari will be at the races this season, so our hopes are laid on Red Bull and perhaps Pinkish Merc causing an upset to Mercedes.

I have to say, maybe McLaren can capitalise again if we have another high attrition race!!

Jordan 199

Vettel will be looking for a trouble free weekend. I have a feeling that if he gets into silly tangles like the one with Sainz last weekend, himself and Ferrari might split before the season is over.

Well I started off last week rooting for Riccardo, Ocon and Albon and look how that turned out. This week, I ain’t saying nuttin!

Intrigued to see if anything changes in this do over. What’s the weather forecast say?

namloc1980

Current forecast is for heavy rain on Saturday so that might make qualifying interesting.

Agent Smith

Cant believe this race isnt titled "Austria Grand Prix 2, Covid boogaloo"

Serriously hoping Mclaren Continue on their upward Trajectory,

I Also Wonder what odds I'd get for Vettle just binning it into a wall as a **** you to Ferarri

Inquitus

Merc march off into the distance, then Max, then Albon, Norris, Perez, Saintz fighting it out with the Ferraris (if their upgrades work).

cherryghost

Inquitus wrote: »

Merc march off into the distance, then Max, then Albon, Norris, Perez, Saintz fighting it out with the Ferraris (if their upgrades work).

Ferrari upgrades not til race after, not this weekend. It's another weekend of struggles, but no aero upgrades will make up for that 0.7s they are losing on straights. Check Gio's onboard for the first few laps of the race. They are nowhere (alongside Haas) too down the straights.

Rodney Bathgate

cherryghost wrote: »

Ferrari upgrades not til race after, not this weekend. It's another weekend of struggles, but no aero upgrades will make up for that 0.7s they are losing on straights. Check Gio's onboard for the first few laps of the race. They are nowhere (alongside Haas) too down the straights.

I read somewhere that they were going to bring the upgrades forward to this weekend.

AMKC

cherryghost wrote: »

Ferrari upgrades not til race after, not this weekend. It's another weekend of struggles, but no aero upgrades will make up for that 0.7s they are losing on straights. Check Gio's onboard for the first few laps of the race. They are nowhere (alongside Haas) too down the straights.

They are bringing there upgrades forward to this race now instead.

cherryghost

Sorry, missed that info. Thanks

skipper_G

Two driver line up changes for FP1 this weekend, Robert Kubica is in the Alfa Romeo and Jack Aitken in the Williams.

Inquitus

2020 Formula 1 Styrian Grand Prix session timings

F1 will still run its traditional format of two free practice sessions lasting 90 minutes each on Friday, followed by an additional practice session running for one hour on Saturday morning.

The Q1, Q2 and Q3 knockout-style qualifying format is also being retained on Saturday afternoon to decide the grid for the 71-lap Styrian Grand Prix on Sunday.

The Formula 2, Formula 3 and Porsche Supercup series are all acting as support classes.

Friday 10th July 2020

Free Practice 1: 10:00am-11:30am BST (11:00am-12:30pm local)
Free Practice 2: 2:00pm-3:30pm BST (3:00pm-4:30pm local)

Saturday 11th July 2020

Free Practice 3: 11:00am-12:00pm BST (12:00pm-1:00pm local)
Qualifying: 2:00pm-3:00pm BST (3:00pm-4:00pm local)

Sunday 12th July 2020

Race: 2:10pm BST (3:10pm local)

flazio

Channel 4 highlights, 6.30pm both Saturday and Sunday

Joeface

Are we still look at Rain for some part of this weekend ? either during Qualifing or Race . I would be happy for either or both . At least it could throw in some mix ups .

namloc1980

Joeface wrote: »

Are we still look at Rain for some part of this weekend ? either during Qualifing or Race . I would be happy for either or both . At least it could throw in some mix ups .

Rain still forecast for Saturday around qualifying.

jammiedodgers

Joeface wrote: »

Are we still look at Rain for some part of this weekend ? either during Qualifing or Race . I would be happy for either or both . At least it could throw in some mix ups .

Heavy rain forecast for Saturday and should be clear for Sunday.

https://openweathermap.org/city/2773887

namloc1980

Ferrari bringing a new floor and upgraded front wing for this weekend according to the rumours on Twitter, with additional upgrades for Hungary the week after. If the engine is a dog though, no amount of aero updates will make a meaningful difference.

weekaizer

namloc1980 wrote: »

Ferrari bringing a new floor and upgraded front wing for this weekend according to the rumours on Twitter, with additional upgrades for Hungary the week after. If the engine is a dog though, no amount of aero updates will make a meaningful difference.

Agreed. This years Ferrari is possibly the worst one since 1996 going by what I’ve seen so far.

Cork Trucker

weekaizer wrote: »

Agreed. This years Ferrari is possibly the worst one since 1996 going by what I’ve seen so far.

The 1996 car won 3 races, a bit early to make that assumption. They were winless in 91/92/93, 2009,2014. Maybe it can be compared to any of those once the season is over, the 2014 car finished 2nd in Hungary with Alonso, LeClerc matched that in the first race, albeit with a lot of luck.

kksaints

Cork Trucker wrote: »

The 1996 car won 3 races, a bit early to make that assumption. They were winless in 91/92/93, 2009,2014. Maybe it can be compared to any of those once the season is over, the 2014 car finished 2nd in Hungary with Alonso, LeClerc matched that in the first race, albeit with a lot of luck.

Didn't Kimi win in Spa in 2009, albeit it was a pig of a car most of the time.

ELM327

weekaizer wrote: »

Agreed. This years Ferrari is possibly the worst one since 1996 going by what I’ve seen so far.

1996 car was better than the 95

I’m watching practice. Latifi thinks his engine just “went” pulled up on side of track.

Session stopped whilst the crane tries to get it over the barrier.

namloc1980

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’m watching practice. Latifi thinks his engine just “went” pulled up on side of track.

Russell had to get a new engine after his failed last week. Not a good look for Williams or the Merc engine.

pjohnson

namloc1980 wrote: »

Russell had to get a new engine after his failed last week. Not a good look for Williams or the Merc engine.

Given Stroll's issue last week there does seem to be a fundamental flaw with this years Mercedes engine. Didn't Hamiltons fail completely during one of his pre-season tests? Its powerful but unreliable.

pjohnson

Apparently the race director has said teams should prepare for a possible Sunday quali. Theres heavy rain and thunderstorms predicted tomorrow so session may not go ahead.

BikeRacer

Is there any live timing app/site that displays what tyre their best time was set in?

namloc1980

Ferrari miles off the pace again.

skipper_G

Results from FP1

Pos.|Driver|Car|Best lap|Gap|Laps
1|Sergio Perez|Racing Point-Mercedes|1’04.867||32
2|Max Verstappen|Red Bull-Honda|1’04.963|0.096|31
3|Valtteri Bottas|Mercedes|1’05.089|0.222|30
4|Lewis Hamilton|Mercedes|1’05.120|0.253|29
5|Lance Stroll|Racing Point-Mercedes|1’05.396|0.529|36
6|Alexander Albon|Red Bull-Honda|1’05.483|0.616|28
7|Carlos Sainz Jnr|McLaren-Renault|1’05.602|0.735|39
8|Pierre Gasly|AlphaTauri-Honda|1’05.698|0.831|26
9|Daniel Ricciardo|Renault|1’05.769|0.902|31
10|Sebastian Vettel|Ferrari|1’05.770|0.903|25
11|Daniil Kvyat|AlphaTauri-Honda|1’05.815|0.948|28
12|Charles Leclerc|Ferrari|1’05.837|0.970|28
13|Esteban Ocon|Renault|1’05.874|1.007|35
14|Lando Norris|McLaren-Renault|1’05.908|1.041|25
15|Kimi Raikkonen|Alfa Romeo-Ferrari|1’06.441|1.574|23
16|Romain Grosjean|Haas-Ferrari|1’06.446|1.579|30
17|Jack Aitken|Williams-Mercedes|1’06.768|1.901|35
18|Robert Kubica|Alfa Romeo-Ferrari|1’06.797|1.930|31
19|Nicholas Latifi|Williams-Mercedes|1’09.598|4.731|6
20|Kevin Magnussen|Haas-Ferrari|||3

H3llR4iser

Yeah, continuing with the "what did go wrong for Ferrari" from the Austrian GP thread, all the Ferrari-engined teams are in trouble. I was quite shocked to see the speed traps data from last week - Ferrari lost anywhere between 10 and 15 km/h in all of them.

Alfa and Haas are also in trouble, although proportionally less than Ferrari - looks like in Maranello they developed a super-high downforce chassis with the assumption that the sheer power from the engine would take care of the straight line speed, only to find themselves effed up when said advantage went out of the window.

Like everyone, I'd be curious to know what the "trick" actually was - and if Ferrari's motorists could have been smarted, Mercedes-like, into going to the FIA beforehand with the "hey guys, we're developing this thing that kinda breaks the rules but can be twisted around them, it's all right, isn't it?".

SureYWouldntYa

Did i hear during the race last week that one of the DRS zones are being removed for this race?

Would affect lap times compared to last week a small bit, i wonder is there any other ways to make the races different

ELM327

There is no change last week to this week

Inquitus

Is it fair to say the Ferrari upgrades seem to be dud, based on FP1, at least on this circuit anyways?

skipper_G

3 place grid penalty for Lando Norris for overtaking under yellow flags in FP1

ELM327

Inquitus wrote: »

Is it fair to say the Ferrari upgrades seem to be dud, based on FP1, at least on this circuit anyways?

Yes
No difference that could be observed.

Perhaps they were running different setups in their program and they will know internally different.

Cork Trucker

kksaints wrote: »

Didn't Kimi win in Spa in 2009, albeit it was a pig of a car most of the time.

Apologies you’re correct.

namloc1980

There's a small chance this FP2 could be the qualifying for the race.

namloc1980

Ricciardo with a very heavy shunt there.

pjohnson

namloc1980 wrote: »

There's a small chance this FP2 could be the qualifying for the race.

Yep apparently the shíte forecast actually continues into Sunday morning meaning qualy mightn't run then either.

namloc1980

Red Bull having more electronic engine troubles.

Inquitus

The Pink Mercedes leading the way!

ACitizenErased

Racing point are flying here, nobodys getting close

BikeRacer

namloc1980 wrote: »

There's a small chance this FP2 could be the qualifying for the race.

Feels like a qualy session. Perez only 0.009 off his qualy time last week

Charlie-Bravo

I'm loving this. This is like an old style quali. Just watching for lap times. The possibility of these laps being the times used for Sunday's race. Come on Perez!!

ELM327

Yes, this is an interesting FP2, dont usually watch the practices but I'm enjoying these

H3llR4iser

astrofluff wrote: »

I'm loving this. This is like an old style quali. Just watching for lap times. The possibility of these laps being the times used for Sunday's race. Come on Perez!!

Yeah - I have despised the "elimination" qualifying since its inception. I realize they adopted the format to avoid these situations where a wet/dry track meant there was little action for most of the session, but these were relatively rare.

Now, the first 40+ minutes of qualifying are largely irrelevant, might as well tune in just for Q3.

El_Duderino 09

namloc1980 wrote: »

Red Bull having more electronic engine troubles.

And hen the engine runs they're having real trouble with rear grip. Apparently they've had 5 spins in FP2! Both high speed and low speed spins

namloc1980

Vettel in 16th sandwiched between the two Williams! Not a happy camper.

pjohnson

I dont think Seb gives a shíte anymore



Between the two Williams and behind both Alfa's.

El_Duderino 09

Ah lads. He was ahead of LeClerc in FP1. It's only free practice. It means fcuk-all.

namloc1980

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah lads. He was ahead of LeClerc in FP1. It's only free practice. It means fcuk-all.

In fairness it does. We can see the Ferrari upgrades have done very little in improving the car. And the other Ferrari powered cars are very slow.

namloc1980

pjohnson wrote: »

I dont think Seb gives a shíte anymore



Between the two Williams and behind both Alfa's.

He had a deleted lap due to slightly going outside track limits of 1:04.772. Would've put him 12th, not much better than where he was.