Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

meeeeh wrote: »

Oh right so the arguments that cars are bad for society were not made.

Anyway I think some here should watch car adds to see what it works. They show cars driving on open empty roads, happy families going and kids behaving at the back of the car. We all know this is far from reality of every day driving for majority of people. Cycling is sold to people in this thread by telling them how they are killers driving three tonne killing machines and suffocating everyone around them. And then you wonder why it doesn't work.

Oh you'll love this one:

https://youtu.be/kMpqVfnuyII

meeeeh wrote: »

I presume that's the add that was banned in France (I don't do u tube during work and rarely outside work). It might actually work for target market of people who are prepared to spend a lot on a bike but I think you are trying to persuade families and people to commute this kind of preaching doesn't work.

TBH I hope everyone buys cars! I love traffic! (As long as I’m not stuck in it)

Agree! With less traffic on the roads, I found cars were speeding a lot more! It made close passes even worse! Bring back gridlock! The sooner the better!

07Lapierre wrote: »

TBH I hope everyone buys cars! I love traffic! (As long as I’m not stuck in it)

Nothing better than cycling home past all the cars stuck in traffic. ............so long suckers

I'll be at home in no time sitting on the couch with a cup of tea and a biscuit and you'll all still be stuck in traffic.

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Well, I know that if I break a red light in my car, there's an excellent chance it'll be on camera and my reg plate will be visible.

How are we on cyclists having reg plates?

Yeah, not so much. So how do they get caught, exactly?

Excellent chance? There are no red light cameras operating in the State. The Gardai gave up dealing with reports from the Luas red light camera because they were so many.

So no, your chances of being caught are negligible.

Gardai don't seem to have any difficulties catching cyclists.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/almost-5-000-on-the-spot-fines-issued-to-cyclists-1.3977141

On the broader issues, here's a video representation of the point I was making to Sean earlier about the acceptability of road deaths.

https://twitter.com/fietsprofessor/status/1281216319044624384?s=19

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://twitter.com/garretbaldwin/status/1281207659660746757

So who is taking this sort of thing on?

See it everyday , multiple times.

Cars , vans and trucks in cycle lanes ,bus stops and footpaths.

You also see Garda drive right by it. Even cycle mounted Garda.

It seems that hazard lights seem to make it "not an offence"

Thargor wrote: »

Look at all those footpath hogging cyclists:

https://twitter.com/Pidge/status/1281621235865190406

What is the point of these types of ridiculous posts? I've seen it a few times on here.
No one on here has said cars don't park on footpaths, its annoying when they do, and those cars in the above picture are arseholes,but being all smug about it and posting ridiculous comments like look at all these cyclists on footpaths and then showing a picture of cars on footpaths what's the point of it?
I really don't get it.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

On the broader issues, here's a video representation of the point I was making to Sean earlier about the acceptability of road deaths.

That video was among the lamest, cheapest piece of propaganda I've ever seen. No country has zero road deaths, aside from the tiny micro-state of Monaco.

SeanW wrote: »

That video was among the lamest, cheapest piece of propaganda I've ever seen. No country has zero road deaths, aside from the tiny micro-state of Monaco.

I thought you'd like it all right.



The fact that no country has zero road deaths, or indeed, any realistic hope of getting to zero road deaths any time soon does not change the level of what is acceptable.

07Lapierre wrote: »

The point is to highlight just how ridiculous the "problem" of cyclists cycling on the pavement is! It's a minor irritation, nothing more.

Pavements being blocked by cars on the other hand is rampant and is a major problem.

You don't regard cycling on the footpath as a problem.

As a pedestrian who has been hit twice in the last 18 months or so by cyclists on a footpath - I and others do regard it as a problem.

SeanW wrote: »

Or how about cyclists on Sean O'Casey bridge? This poster found something like 41 in 46 minutes, at peak times when I used it, I could find 4 in the 1 minute or so that it would take me to cross.

If you look closely, you can see the streams of blood dripping down the bridge from all the people that were maimed by those menacing cyclists.

SeanW wrote: »

You want to know why motorists aren't keen to take lectures on "obeying the law" from cyclists? It's because we have to put up with crap like this.

You seem a bit confused. The people on the bridge aren't motorists. They're pedestrians. Yes, I'd guess that some of them are motorists, but they're not motorists on the bridge.

Likewise, I'm not a cyclist now. I haven't mastered the art of cycling while posting on boards, so I'm not a cyclist now while I'm lecturing you. In my life in general, I'm a cyclist, I'm a motorist, I'm a pedestrian, I'm a Luas passenger, I'm a bus passenger, and I'm occasionally a train user.

So will you take lectures from any of those?

SeanW wrote: »

Would video evidence suffice or does Google need to have caught them in the act?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhWSVvI1t3s

Dreadful cycling. It also points to the crazy situation of having buses and bikes and taxis indeed sharing lanes like this.

SeanW wrote: »

So, you concede that a zero-standard is impossible (at least in the near term) but still claim that any fatalities are "not acceptable?" It sounds like your problem is with reality.

Of course if you could just wave a magic wand and no-one would ever die on the roads ever again while there were no downsides, naturally that option would be taken. Since that's not going to happen, your view of no deaths being "acceptable" is of questionable relevance to say the least, even if your main concern is even road safety to begin with, which is also questionable in light of some of your earlier posts.

My problem is indeed with the reality of two or three people being killed on the road each week. Do you seriously not have a problem with that?

And yes, there are many 'magic wand' options available to us, like the speed governors used on buses and trucks - why aren't they fitted on all cars, or at least all new cars? Would that be too much of a 'downside' for you? Why aren't we making better use of tech for dynamic speed limiting, seeing as the average driver clearly couldn't be arsed about speed limits?

Spook_ie wrote: »

So have we determined that what is not acceptable is anything above 0?

What is acceptable to you? How many members of your own family are you prepared to sacrifice of the altar fire of making sure motorists don't have to obey speed limits?

I posted an article about the accident that happened between child cyclist and older woman. Two other cyclists died in preceeding weeks, one went cycling into mountains and was found dead presumably after a fall. Another a man in his 60ies I think was hit by a train at night on protected railway crossing. The last one could be suicide and it's likely alcohol was involved. (A child was also injured but not killed after woman hit him on a road crossing).

It's easy to make simplistic statements about road users and blame everything on the cars and car drivers. Because there are still relatively small numbers cycling it's easy to do that in Ireland but in reality you have to expect reasonably responsible behaviour from all road users.