Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

Tea drinker

Tea drinker wrote: »

This will be music to your ears :-)
I (allegedly) got a ticket on the windscreen, but did get a snail mail letter advising me to pay or would get additional fine - by the time I got the letter the date had elapsed and would have to pay the fine. They wouldn't have it and I could have gone the legal route but decided life's too short, which is probably what they hope people will do.
so as of ~ 2 years back they *should be" ticketing windscreens but they may scam you and leave it off.

So, you didn't get a ticket on your windscreen?

Gardai don't issue on the spot tickets. I have the book, there's no tickets in it. They are posted out and have been for years now, at least 10.

Yraffic have a digital system and again, it doesn't print a ticket.

07Lapierre

Another example of a good running track!

https://twitter.com/jessieennis/status/1280197754590027779?s=21

AndrewJRenko

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

So, you didn't get a ticket on your windscreen?

Gardai don't issue on the spot tickets. I have the book, there's no tickets in it. They are posted out and have been for years now, at least 10.

Yraffic have a digital system and again, it doesn't print a ticket.

Though as confirmed above, Council wardens do give tickets.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I give up. You haven't provided a single idea about how to solve anything, just complained that nothing's good enough while mixing in some smart arse comments.

By the way, Gardai don't work for the council. The tweet is a council ticket. Gardai do not put tickets on windows so again, you don't know if one had Ben issued or not and you don't know if a Garda had attended the scene or not unless you are insane enough to sit there all day.

There's a fair assumption that the cars weren't ticketed, because they were still there the next day, and the next day and today.

Here's one possible solution - if someone rings the station 15 or 20 times reporting the same illegal issue over a month or two, then the Gardai should take some effective action to solve the problem. Is that too much to ask?

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Pretty much the point we've been making about cyclists on footpaths, too. You may finally be getting it?

I got it from day one. I understand fully that cyclists on the footpath are potentially a danger, especially to vulnerable road users. My main point is the frequency of pavement parking makes it a much more persistent problem for those same vulnerable road users, but doesn't seem to get attention in discussions like this at all. It's strange how some people are so focused on one particular form of obstruction, while happy to turn a blind eye to much bigger issues.

TaurenDruid

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I got it from day one. I understand fully that cyclists on the footpath are potentially a danger, especially to vulnerable road users. My main point is the frequency of pavement parking makes it a much more persistent problem for those same vulnerable road users, but doesn't seem to get attention in discussions like this at all. It's strange how some people are so focused on one particular form of obstruction, while happy to turn a blind eye to much bigger issues.

Your posts did not come across that way. At all. In fact, the instant "whataboutery" and deflection gave entirely the opposite impression.

Personally, though, I can recognise Problem A and complain about it on here. And also recognise Problem B, and post photos of offending cars to @YPLAC on Twitter or Dublin's Cycling Clowns on Facebook. I used to regularly report the illegal buslane/path/cyclelane parking at nearby sports pitches - despite there being a car park literally 20 seconds walk away! - but I no longer have to do that because DCC put in bollards to prevent the parking. They shouldn't have had to.

But yeah, it is strange how someone can come to a thread about cycling on paths, and do little else but post photos of cars, and turn a blind eye to the actual topic.

meeeeh

I'm posting a goggle translate of an article linked bellow. I'm not really making a point because this is freaky accident, I just found it interesting and it's vaguely related to safety issues discussed. However it does illustrate all road users need to act responsibly.

A bicycle accident took place in Maribor on Friday, and today the Maribor police announced that a 76-year-old participant in the accident had died.

The accident happened when a seven-year-old child was cycling on a concrete platform between apartment blocks on Staneta Severja Street in Maribor. At the end of the platform, he drove along the concrete stairs down a grassy embankment to an asphalt pedestrian area. Just then, a 76-year-old cyclist rode there. The child crashed his bike into her right hip and they both fell.


The cyclist was seriously injured, she was transported by ambulance to the Maribor University Medical Center, and today it was announced that she had died.

Police officers will carry out misdemeanor proceedings against both the cyclist and the child's mother. The cyclist was not allowed to cycle on the pedestrian area, and the child did not have a flawless bicycle and had not yet passed the cycling exam. Neither of them used a bicycle helmet.

source: https://www.delo.si/novice/crna-kronika/kolesarka-umrla-v-bolnisnici-327889.html
Just a note: kids are not allowed to cycle unaccompanied without passing cycling test (bike control and basic rules of the road) and they have to wear helmets.

Thargor

Wow just when you think you've seen barrel-scraping...

meeeeh

Thargor wrote: »

Wow just when you think you've seen barrel-scraping...

What? I'm Slovenian. This was just freaky news article I came across when checking Covid numbers (my family and friends still live there).

I deeply apologise for linking a news article that doesn't suit a narrative you want to portray.

07Lapierre

meeeeh wrote: »

What? I'm Slovenian. This was just freaky news article I came across when checking Covid numbers (my family and friends still live there).

I deeply apologise for linking a news article that doesn't suit a narrative you want to portray.

Tragic incident RIP.

SeanW

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

There's a fair assumption that the cars weren't ticketed, because they were still there the next day, and the next day and today.

Just like the red light jumping cyclists on the footpath then.

micar

SeanW wrote: »

Just like the red light jumping cyclists on the footpath then.

Red lights on a footpath......that's a new one.

Where do you find these?

TaurenDruid

micar wrote: »

Red lights on a footpath......that's a new one.

Where do you find these?

If you travel back enough pages, I've recounted standing at the corner of Stephen's Green and Grafton Street and seeing cyclists come the wrong way down the one-way street, go through the pedestrian lights on red, and cycle off down the footpath of either Grafton Street or Stephen's Green. They also come the other way, legally, through the lights, and continue down pedestrianised King Street.

So yeah. That.

Tea drinker

Thargor wrote: »

Wow just when you think you've seen barrel-scraping...

I've often mentioned here that my mother was knocked down (thankfully just a few scrapes) by a cyclist in a pedestrian area in Dublin. I think the poster showed what can happen if it turns into a freak accident.

micar

TaurenDruid wrote: »

If you travel back enough pages, I've recounted standing at the corner of Stephen's Green and Grafton Street and seeing cyclists come the wrong way down the one-way street, go through the pedestrian lights on red, and cycle off down the footpath of either Grafton Street or Stephen's Green. They also come the other way, legally, through the lights, and continue down pedestrianised King Street.

So yeah. That.

The lights you refer to are lights that bisect a road.

To go from one footpath to another you have to cross the road......a pedestrian crossing.

I've never seen pedestrians wait anywhere around St Stephens / Grafton St except to cross the road.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

meeeeh

Tea drinker wrote: »

I've often mentioned here that my mother was knocked down (thankfully just a few scrapes) by a cyclist in a pedestrian area in Dublin. I think the poster showed what can happen if it turns into a freak accident.

I actually crashed into a cyclists in s similar way with my bike when I was 13 or so (completely my fault). He was training for a local amateur event and I think I did enough damage he had to skip it. It was not on walking paths or anything and I am not blaming people involved in the case above but it does show you why some sort of order on the roads and around them is needed.

Tea drinker

meeeeh wrote: »

I actually crashed into a cyclists in s similar way with my bike when I was 13 or so (completely my fault). He was training for a local amateur event and I think I did enough damage he had to skip it. It was not on walking paths or anything and I am not blaming people involved in the case above but it does show you why some sort of order on the roads and around them is needed.

I got away with all my cycling madness, just a few scrapes. Worst fall was riding over the neighbours dog which flipped me sideways, I had to pull out the road chippings from my hip.. Also had a biggish crash off a motorbike, I remember seeing the bike flying through the air beside me. Bike was fvcked up, but yet again I was grand. It is always a role of the dice, another friend of mine dropped his motorbike and went under a truck. His head stopped half a metre from the wheel of the truck. Another friend lost an eye and had serious brain injury after cycling head on into a truck.
Stuff happens, or not.

Thargor

See deh cYClistz iz just as bAD Joe!

07Lapierre

Thargor wrote: »

See deh cYClistz iz just as bAD Joe!

Some cyclists drive SUV’s!

https://twitter.com/dee62412965/status/1280519514883600384?s=21

TaurenDruid

micar wrote: »

The lights you refer to are lights that bisect a road.

To go from one footpath to another you have to cross the road......a pedestrian crossing.

I've never seen pedestrians wait anywhere around St Stephens / Grafton St except to cross the road.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

The lights are pedestrian lights. I said that in my post.

meeeeh

Thargor wrote: »

See deh cYClistz iz just as bAD Joe!

Is that a poor attempt at foreign accent or just piss poor attempt to brand anyone whose post you don't approve off as a bit dim-witted?

micar

TaurenDruid wrote: »

The lights are pedestrian lights. I said that in my post.

I responded to a post by SeanW which you responded

What he said was "Just like the red light jumping cyclists on the footpath then"

My point is that there is no footpath with red lights.

There are cyclist who break red lights......there are cyclist who cycle on a footpath......

It's two separate actions.

There isn't 1 single action of a cyclist cycling throught z red light on a footpath.

There are motorists who park on a footpath......there are motorists who park on a double yellow line ........ 2 separate actions.

However, there are motorists who park on a footpath and on a double yellow........2 actions in 1 event

SeanW

And yet cyclists do both (red light jumping, and also riding on the footpath) with regularity and abandon. And yes, sometimes motorists are also inconsiderate.

Thargor

SeanW wrote: »

And yet cyclists do both (red light jumping, and also riding on the footpath) with regularity and abandon. And yes, sometimes motorists are also inconsiderate.

Come on now you can do it, consult your notes, what is the difference in consequences between someone doing something inconsiderate on a 15KG bicycle at 15 kph vs someone doing something inconsiderate in a 2000KG car at 80 kph?

We all believe in you Sean, make the leap...

Tea drinker

Thargor wrote: »

Come on now you can do it, consult your notes, what is the difference in consequences between someone doing something inconsiderate on a 15KG bicycle at 15 kph vs someone doing something inconsiderate in a 2000KG car at 80 kph?

We all believe in you Sean, make the leap...

you too! you can do it man! What happens if a cyclist on a 15kg bike goes through a red light and is hit by 2000kg car?

Literally 2 days ago, kid cycles in front of me as I move off at a green light. Luckily I saw him emerge in front of car to my right in time to stop.
Little dope.

Thargor

Tea drinker wrote: »

you too! you can do it man! What happens if a cyclist on a 15kg bike goes through a red light and is hit by 2000kg car?

Literally 2 days ago, kid cycles in front of me as I move off at a green light. Luckily I saw him emerge in front of car to my right in time to stop.
Little dope.

This one doesn't get it but theres still hope for Sean, stay tuned....

micar

SeanW wrote: »

And yet cyclists do both (red light jumping, and also riding on the footpath) with regularity and abandon. And yes, sometimes motorists are also inconsiderate.

So in your opinion it's all cyclist vs some motorists


Hate to break it to you......it's some cyclists vs some motorists

For both it's probably more like quite a few

TaurenDruid

micar wrote: »

I responded to a post by SeanW which you responded

What he said was "Just like the red light jumping cyclists on the footpath then"

My point is that there is no footpath with red lights.

There are cyclist who break red lights......there are cyclist who cycle on a footpath......

It's two separate actions.

There isn't 1 single action of a cyclist cycling throught z red light on a footpath.

There are motorists who park on a footpath......there are motorists who park on a double yellow line ........ 2 separate actions.

However, there are motorists who park on a footpath and on a double yellow........2 actions in 1 event

Oh, okay, fair enough. Yes, a cyclist can break a pedestrian red light while cycling the wrong way down a one-way street, and - in fairness - the OP never mentioned one-way streets, then immediately cycle onto a footpath and continue on their way. But they can't actually break a red light while on a footpath.

You're right! How clever. You win! One pedant point to you!

meeeeh

Well they could be one wheel on the footpath and one wheel on the crossing...

Spook_ie

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Oh, okay, fair enough. Yes, a cyclist can break a pedestrian red light while cycling the wrong way down a one-way street, and - in fairness - the OP never mentioned one-way streets, then immediately cycle onto a footpath and continue on their way. But they can't actually break a red light while on a footpath.

You're right! How clever. You win! One pedant point to you!

Surely they could just by cycling along the footpath and then across a pedestrian crossing while the red for pedestrians is showing, the red light is for footpath users legal or otherwise.

Thargor

Yes clearly this elaborate made up scenario about what the evil cyclists could do in a certain ultra specific situation is the real danger on our roads, great work guys! Deh cYClistz iz just as bAD!

SeanW

Thargor wrote: »

Come on now you can do it, consult your notes, what is the difference in consequences between someone doing something inconsiderate on a 15KG bicycle at 15 kph vs someone doing something inconsiderate in a 2000KG car at 80 kph?

We all believe in you Sean, make the leap...

I chose my words carefully. In particular, I chose words like "inconsiderate" in preference to "bad" or "dangerous" because the word reflects the worst possible experiences I've had (with motorists) as a daily pedestrian in Ireland's major cities. And in urban centres, traffic isn't going anywhere near 80kph.