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Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

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    #2582
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Tea drinker wrote: »
    Ok I detect sarcasm, but can you elucidate on your point here, I literally don't understand

    The point is cars do rollover and head injuries are much more common in car accidents than bike accidents. (It was previously stated that motorists don’t need helmets because they have seat belts/ airbags etc.)


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    #2583
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    This is equivalent of Muslim threads in AH. The more people get injured/killed more delightful arguments can be made.

    All this is done by the same people who count RIPs in the readers comments. It stinks of hypocrisy.


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    #2584
    Casey78
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 873 ✭✭✭Casey78


    Hopefully they find this guy who committed this hit and run....
    https://news.sky.com/story/pedestrian-dies-after-hit-and-run-in-east-london-as-police-search-for-cyclist-12027919


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    #2585
    Thargor
    Registered Users Posts: 17,869 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Casey78 wrote: »
    Hopefully they find this guy who committed this hit and run....
    https://news.sky.com/story/pedestrian-dies-after-hit-and-run-in-east-london-as-police-search-for-cyclist-12027919
    meeeeh wrote: »
    This is equivalent of Muslim threads in AH. The more people get injured/killed more delightful arguments can be made.

    All this is done by the same people who count RIPs in the readers comments. It stinks of hypocrisy.
    Well said, imagine taking pleasure from reading a story about an old man getting knocked down and killed then gleefully reposting it in this thread to make some idiotic anti-cycling point? Sad...


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    #2586
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Thargor wrote: »
    Well said, imagine taking pleasure from reading a story about an old man getting knocked down and killed then gleefully reposting it in this thread to make some idiotic anti-cycling point? Sad...

    I bet it took long to come up with such a witty reply.


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    #2587
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,397 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Casey78 wrote: »
    Hopefully they find this guy who committed this hit and run....
    https://news.sky.com/story/pedestrian-dies-after-hit-and-run-in-east-london-as-police-search-for-cyclist-12027919

    Yes, I hope they find the guy too. Just as I hope they find the 5,000 people who committed these hits-and-runs in London

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-38063443

    Funny how you don't hear too much about the five people killed by motorists in the UK that same day?


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    #2588
    ewc78
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 480 ✭✭ewc78


    The Whataboutery took longer to come than I expected:D


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    #2589
    ewc78
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 480 ✭✭ewc78


    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob1/status/1284563453462618113

    "At the end of the day, nobody was hurt."

    Reminds me of this guy :)
    https://youtu.be/PxkPNykaMA0


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    #2590
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    The point is cars do rollover and head injuries are much more common in car accidents than bike accidents. (It was previously stated that motorists don’t need helmets because they have seat belts/ airbags etc.)

    Good to see you advocating ridding the world of "standard" bicycles and pushing for these

    https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/bicycle-with-roll-cage-could-save-your-life-in-a-car-crash/
    babel-bike.jpg


    Imagine the number of cyclist deaths and injuries we could save, even more with wearing helmets


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    #2591
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    ewc78 wrote: »
    Reminds me of this guy :)
    https://youtu.be/PxkPNykaMA0

    Maybe if the traffic light had been wearing hi viz the cyclist might have noticed it? ;)


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    #2592
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,748 ✭✭✭SeanW


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    The point is cars do rollover and head injuries are much more common in car accidents than bike accidents. (It was previously stated that motorists don’t need helmets because they have seat belts/ airbags etc.)
    More common than is not the same as common.

    I doubt it's common at all for a motorist to suffer a head injury where the car's structural design, a seat belt and airbag are literally of no use whatsoever but a little plastic helmet would have made all the difference? In fact, I'd suggest it's rare.
    Thargor wrote: »
    Well said, imagine taking pleasure from reading a story about an old man getting knocked down and killed then gleefully reposting it in this thread to make some idiotic anti-cycling point? Sad...
    Umm ... have you read literally any of this thread? Cyclists using other people's misfortune to push an anti-motorist agenda has been pretty much S.O.P.

    But hey, I'm sure if Andy had his way and motorists had to get out of their cars to push "beg" buttons at every junction, the cyclist might have looked where he was going and not killed the pedestrian. :rolleyes:


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    #2593
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Good to see you advocating ridding the world of "standard" bicycles and pushing for these

    https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/bicycle-with-roll-cage-could-save-your-life-in-a-car-crash/
    babel-bike.jpg


    Imagine the number of cyclist deaths and injuries we could save, even more with wearing helmets

    Yeah. That’s exactly what I’m pushing for ;)


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    #2594
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    SeanW wrote: »
    More common than is not the same as common.

    I doubt it's common at all for a motorist to suffer a head injury where the car's structural design, a seat belt and airbag are literally of no use whatsoever but a little plastic helmet would have made all the difference? In fact, I'd suggest it's rare.

    Umm ... have you read literally any of this thread? Cyclists using other people's misfortune to push an anti-motorist agenda has been pretty much S.O.P.

    But hey, I'm sure if Andy had his way and motorists had to get out of their cars to push "beg" buttons at every junction, the cyclist might have looked where he was going and not killed the pedestrian. :rolleyes:

    Agree plastic hats are not very effective, yet the RSA and Co. Keep pedalling this ****e to cyclists. Go figure eh?

    You doubt head injuries are common in car accidents? Really?


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    #2595
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,748 ✭✭✭SeanW


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Agree plastic hats are not very effective, yet the RSA and Co. Keep pedalling this ****e to cyclists. Go figure eh?
    It's a suggestion, you're free to ignore it. But as a cyclist, you have less protection than a motorist in the event of an accident. That's just a fact.
    You doubt head injuries are common in car accidents? Really?
    Never said that, rather than modern cars are structurally designed to protect their occupants in case of a crash (things like crumple zones), have seat belts and (for the driver and front seat passenger) airbags.

    If all of those fail, then a little helmet isn't likely to make any difference. A helmet is just for if you don't have anything else to protect you.


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    #2596
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    SeanW wrote: »
    It's a suggestion, you're free to ignore it. But as a cyclist, you have less protection than a motorist in the event of an accident. That's just a fact.

    Never said that, rather than modern cars are structurally designed to protect their occupants in case of a crash (things like crumple zones), have seat belts and (for the driver and front seat passenger) airbags.

    If all of those fail, then a little helmet isn't likely to make any difference. A helmet is just for if you don't have anything else to protect you.

    That's very true. if a car driver hits a cyclists, the car driver and passengers will be fine. the cyclist on the other hand... well the plastic hat is better than nothing right?


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    #2597
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    That's very true. if a car driver hits a cyclists, the car driver and passengers will be fine. the cyclist on the other hand... we'll the plastic hat is better than nothing right?

    And exactly the same if cyclist hits a car. In general (but not always) the cyclists will be worse off. I don't overly care if adults (who are not close to me) don't wear seat belts when driving or helmets when cycling. It won't be me feeding them with the spoon for the rest of their lives. However I find it absolutely despicable when children are not protected properly.


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    #2598
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    meeeeh wrote: »
    And exactly the same if cyclist hits a car. In general (but not always) the cyclists will be worse off. .

    Agreed... So its better the two never meet and we all agree that helmets are useless for Motorists and cyclists? Finally something we all agree on! ;)


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    #2599
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Agreed... So its better the two never meet and we all agree that helmets are useless for Motorists and cyclists? Finally something we all agree on! ;)

    As I said I don't overly care as it won't be me wiping the drool and whatever else.

    I always wear helmet, not because I think it's always needed but because I want kids to always wear it.


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    #2600
    Casey78
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 873 ✭✭✭Casey78


    But cyclists acting the dick are of no danger to anyone I thought?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/road.cc/content/news/268501-cyclist-court-accused-dangerous-cycling-following-pedestrians-death%3famp


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    #2601
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    meeeeh wrote: »
    As I said I don't overly care as it won't be me wiping the drool and whatever else.

    I always wear helmet, not because I think it's always needed but because I want kids to always wear it.

    You want kids to wear a plastic hat that you agree is useless?


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    #2602
    shootermacg
    Registered Users Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Casey78 wrote: »
    But cyclists acting the dick are of no danger to anyone I thought?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/road.cc/content/news/268501-cyclist-court-accused-dangerous-cycling-following-pedestrians-death%3famp

    Wow, lets make joggers our next target, god knows they're also the same amount of pest!


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    #2603
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,748 ✭✭✭SeanW


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    That's very true. if a car driver hits a cyclists, the car driver and passengers will be fine. the cyclist on the other hand... well the plastic hat is better than nothing right?
    Well, accidents involving cyclist have a variety of causes.

    Sometimes, as you suggest, accidents are caused by motorists negligently hitting cyclists.

    It's also likely that in some cases the cyclist precipitated a collision with a motorist, either by crashing into a car or by disobeying a traffic control (e.g. running a red light) and causing a driver to crash into them.
    And of course, we have cases where cyclists crash into stationary objects like parked cars, lamp posts etc.

    Collision culpability varies, hence we have things like seat belts and helmets to protect the user in any circumstance. I actually don't care about the legalities of helmets, seat belts etc. I wear a seat belt when I'm driving because it makes sense, regardless of the law. I understand that I might get into an accident that's not my fault. Likewise, I suspect helmets help the cyclist in the case of a low-speed collision. If you don't want to wear a helmet, fine, just as long as you don't complain if you get avoidably hurt.


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    #2604
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    You want kids to wear a plastic hat that you agree is useless?

    I didn't say it's useless. You said that and I'm not going to argue with someone whose actions won't affect me. Yes I insist my kids wear helmet when cycling. I try not to be neglectful parent.


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    #2605
    ewc78
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 480 ✭✭ewc78


    shootermacg wrote: »
    Wow, lets make joggers our next target, god knows they're also the same amount of pest!

    Joggers are a pest, especially for us runners..


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    #2606
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Don't start me on the walkers blocking the path.


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    #2607
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    meeeeh wrote: »
    I didn't say it's useless. You said that and I'm not going to argue with someone whose actions won't affect me. Yes I insist my kids wear helmet when cycling. I try not to be neglectful parent.

    WARNING: You may get upset if you read this..

    https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/cycling-with-babies-and-toddlers/


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    #2608
    ewc78
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 480 ✭✭ewc78


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Don't start me on the walkers blocking the path.

    Especially those with dogs!!


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    #2609
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    SeanW wrote: »
    I wear a seat belt when I'm driving because it makes sense, regardless of the law.

    Would you wear a seat belt driving this?

    https://www.mascus.ie/agriculture/used-other-agricultural-machines/e-z-go-dark-blue-electric-golf-cart-st6568/j7adg8hd.html


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    #2610
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,748 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Umm ... that's a golf cart ... for use on golf courses ... at relatively low speeds ...


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    #2611
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    WARNING: You may get upset if you read this..

    https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/cycling-with-babies-and-toddlers/

    I didn't see one picture of kids actually cycling in your link. I don't know about you but I sincerely hope my bike control, awareness and knowledge of road rules is better than that of my kids. Anyway in quite a few countries in Europe helmets are mandatory for kids under 14 or 15. Maybe they are all morons and someone who posts a few links from twitter every so often knows better.


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