How will schools be able to go back in September?

daithi7 · 08-07-2020 01:28AM

History Queen wrote: »

Do you ever get sick of trolling or is posting nonsense more than a pastime for you?

Tbh, I really get sick of total numbskulls, who are obviously not able to debate an issue such as why the Leaving Cert could not have been held, without getting personal & petty.

That I get sick of!!!

History Queen · 08-07-2020 01:38AM

daithi7 wrote: »

Tbh, I really get sick of total numbskulls, who are obviously not able to debate an issue such as why the Leaving Cert could not have been held, without getting personal & petty.

That I get sick of!!!

I get really sick of people who are too lazy to inform themselves of the issue. An issue which has been debated at length both on boards and elsewhere. Who then spout their ill informed opinion as if it were fact and think that this is, in fact, debate. You have been doing this constantly.

But... if you want a debate I'll debate.

The Leaving Cert was cancelled by Joe McHugh because of the incessent media and public pressure brought to bear by other ill informed persons such as Ciara Kelly on Newstalk, Joe Duffy on Liveline, the Irish Times journalists etc scare mongering. I'm not excusing McHugh, he showed himself to be a weak leader too easily swayed. The teaching unions didn't want it cancelled. Teachers didn't want it cancelled.

What possible reason would teachers or unions have for wanting it cancelled?

timmy_mallet · 08-07-2020 08:24AM

khalessi wrote: »

Yes but the point being made is that extra funding needed for covid cleaners and equipment Did youb read the linked article?

And did you not read why I'm suggesting its completely farcical to think an extra cleaner or two would make any significant difference?

jlm29 · 08-07-2020 08:38AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I don’t understand it at all ? Why ? What makes them think they need 12 extra weeks ? I am lost for words . It makes no sense to me . So many missed out , weddings cancelled , communions cancelled , people couldn’t attend funerals , children missed out on education , mothers dealing with children with special needs , residents in care home had no visitors . I have no idea why new mothers get picked out of that list for special treatment

Sure Mary Lou is telling them that the new mothers need it. I suppose they can’t just tell her to stfu, they need to pretend they’re considering it. I sincerely hope they’re just pretending tbh. I can’t see the logic in it either. I’ve read that they should get extra time because they couldn’t bring baby out to groups etc, couldn’t get people to come into the house to help them out, that the baby couldn’t meet its grandparents (as if the baby even knew what was going on) all given as arguments for why it should be extended. I’m sure it was hard for new mothers, but it’s been hard for everyone in some way, they were lucky to be at home and able to keep safe, and in many many cases had a partner either off work or working from home, so many would have had some extra help anyhow

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 08-07-2020 08:43AM

WHO doing studies now to test the airborne nature of the virus but some evidence that it can spread 10m and more just through breathing.

It would explain how the virus is so rampant but don't know what that means for social distancing efforts.

There are several vaccines currently in phase 3 of trials, here's hoping that something good comes out of it.

jrosen · 08-07-2020 09:23AM

The new mothers are just being precious. Hopefully its rejected.

khalessi · 08-07-2020 09:36AM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

And did you not read why I'm suggesting its completely farcical to think an extra cleaner or two would make any significant difference?

Indeed but you dont work in a school and dont realise the cleaner is for carrying out deep cleaning at the end of each day but thank you for your input.

Millem · 08-07-2020 09:39AM

jlm29 wrote: »

Sure Mary Lou is telling them that the new mothers need it. I suppose they can’t just tell her to stfu, they need to pretend they’re considering it. I sincerely hope they’re just pretending tbh. I can’t see the logic in it either. I’ve read that they should get extra time because they couldn’t bring baby out to groups etc, couldn’t get people to come into the house to help them out, that the baby couldn’t meet its grandparents (as if the baby even knew what was going on) all given as arguments for why it should be extended. I’m sure it was hard for new mothers, but it’s been hard for everyone in some way, they were lucky to be at home and able to keep safe, and in many many cases had a partner either off work or working from home, so many would have had some extra help anyhow

I think a lot of mums benefitted from having their partners off or working from home. Tbh I don’t have a problem with them getting an extra 12 weeks maternity leave but it should be unpaid. They already received their 26 weeks x €245.

FishOnABike · 08-07-2020 10:20AM

With the increasing likelihood of airborne transmission

combat14 wrote: »

sounds like masks will be needed in doors in schools if this is the case:

239 experts with one big claim: Coronavirus is airborne
The WHO is resisting evidence that particles floating indoors are infectious, scientists say

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/239-experts-with-one-big-claim-coronavirus-is-airborne-1.4298154?mode=amp

and the possibility of a significant cluster occurring from a single asymptomatic carrier

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1280568013587128321

It is crazy that any principal can make prouncements like this

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I know of three schools where the staff have already been told that unless it is mentioned in a circular that no one on staff will be allowed to wear a mask or visor. Have been told that if they have a medical need for one that they should go out on sick leave. This is the attitude from a small minority.

Proper guidance from the DES with measures to minimise, insofar as is practicable, the opportunity for spreading CoViD-19 within schools, together with the resources to implement those measures.

You know the saying, "fail to prepare, prepare to fail". If proper measures are not put in place it only increases the possibility of schools having to shutdown due to a case / cluster in a school.

We've knocked the incidences of CoViD-19 way back but it's a marathon not a sprint. When a large section if our population start to meet again in large numbers is not the time to ignore measures which have helped contain the spread up to now.

Gael23 · 08-07-2020 10:26AM

Do schools have the authority to refuse a child entry in September if they have been outside the country?

the corpo · 08-07-2020 10:31AM

That's another stat I'd like to see, how many schools are new, and built with decent ventilation standards. Will we be in a position where half the schools will be safe to open, and half not?

Our primary school is temporarily in what was an old convent secondary school, but no ventilation other than opening a window.

iamwhoiam · 08-07-2020 10:31AM

jrosen wrote: »

The new mothers are just being precious. Hopefully its rejected.

I hope it is because there are people who,s transplants were cancelled and people who are in pain because orthopedic surgery is delayed .Why on earth should new mothers be any more entitled to anything more that these people
€78 million could be very well spent in schools to get them ready and safe

wirelessdude01 · 08-07-2020 10:31AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Do schools have the authority to refuse a child entry in September if they have been outside the country?

How would they? No law stopping people from going abroad.

Gael23 · 08-07-2020 11:24AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

How would they? No law stopping people from going abroad.

Saw this yesterday and wondered if they had the authority to tell a child they can’t attend school
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/families-holidaying-abroad-may-jeopardise-reopening-of-schools-1.4298474

jrosen · 08-07-2020 11:29AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I hope it is because there are people who,s transplants were cancelled and people who are in pain because orthopedic surgery is delayed .Why on earth should new mothers be any more entitled to anything more that these people
€78 million could be very well spent in schools to get them ready and safe

I totally agree. They should be ashamed of themselves. They get enough time off. If they want more they can take unpaid leave.

wirelessdude01 · 08-07-2020 11:38AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Saw this yesterday and wondered if they had the authority to tell a child they can’t attend school
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/families-holidaying-abroad-may-jeopardise-reopening-of-schools-1.4298474

To me he is making the point that foreign holidays this year increase the chances of the virus becoming more prevalent in the community and thus increasing the chances that schools won't be able to open.

timmy_mallet · 08-07-2020 11:46AM

khalessi wrote: »

Indeed but you dont work in a school and dont realise the cleaner is for carrying out deep cleaning at the end of each day but thank you for your input.

Don't need thanks for any input, especially from someone on here!

Also, nobody needs to work in school to understand how cleaning works.

What's it got to do with COVID-19? Nothing. Wash your hands an you'll be fine.

normanoffside · 08-07-2020 11:54AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Do schools have the authority to refuse a child entry in September if they have been outside the country?

Many private schools have already announced that you can’t return to school if you have been outside the country in the previous 14 days. Parents will have to sign a form declaring this to be the case.

It would be a simple measure to roll this out for all schools and parents would then know where they stand. If they want to take a holiday they can do so in July or early August. If they come back late August then their kids will have to miss a week or two of school.

The problem at the moment is the lack of clarity.

wirelessdude01 · 08-07-2020 11:59AM

normanoffside wrote: »

Many private schools have already announced that you can’t return to school if you have been outside the country in the previous 14 days. Parents will have to sign a form declaring this to be the case.

It would be a simple measure to roll this out for all schools and parents would then know where they stand. If they want to take a holiday they can do so in July or early August. If they come back late August then their kids will have to miss a week or two of school.

The problem at the moment is the lack of clarity.

Can't imagine the above is legally enforceable. Sure the quarantine as it stands is totally up to abuse.

Bananaleaf · 08-07-2020 12:03PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Do schools have the authority to refuse a child entry in September if they have been outside the country?

No they don't. And to be honest, even if they did, I could see a lot of principals turning a blind eye.

We had kids going on holidays the week it was all kicking off in March sure. I remember being terrified of them coming back but sure nothing I could have done then either.

I mean, how would you even know who had and hadn't been away?

Is anyone concerned about their colleagues? I'm worried about them more than I am about getting it from a student. I can think of a number of mine who will think nothing of still trying to stop me on the corridor for a chat or who would barge into the photocopy room as a matter of urgency, never mind the rota in place etc. I know I can have words with them, but from past experiences of different matters I just know it will repeatedly fall on deaf ears and drive me absolutely insane. It's all just so awkward and uncomfortable

downthemiddle · 08-07-2020 12:33PM

jrosen wrote: »

I totally agree. They should be ashamed of themselves. They get enough time off. If they want more they can take unpaid leave.

Why should they be ashamed of themselves? Did the New Mothers Union threaten to go on strike? Blaming mothers of newborns is like blaming teachers for the Leaving Cert fiasco. A politician saw an opportunity to run with a populist idea to try an garner cheap political capital. The media ran with the story without examining the detail. Now people are presenting it as a fait accompli.

DSN · 08-07-2020 12:55PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

Why should they be ashamed of themselves? Did the New Mothers Union threaten to go on strike? Blaming mothers of newborns is like blaming teachers for the Leaving Cert fiasco. A politician saw an opportunity to run with a populist idea to try an garner cheap political capital. The media ran with the story without examining the detail. Now people are presenting it as a fait accompli.

I did wonder about this to be honest. I don't know of any new mother who is looking for or thinks they 'entitled' to extra paid leave. I guess Joe Duffy or the like will dig up a couple to give it some airtime & fuel the fire but I do not believe it's the general opinion. It should go to health service, education, to families in dire need of it, small businesses in trouble I could go on.

jlm29 · 08-07-2020 01:07PM

DSN wrote: »

I did wonder about this to be honest. I don't know of any new mother who is looking for or thinks they 'entitled' to extra paid leave. I guess Joe Duffy or the like will dig up a couple to give it some airtime & fuel the fire but I do not believe it's the general opinion. It should go to health service, education, to families in dire need of it, small businesses in trouble I could go on.

This actually started a few weeks ago when a group of new ish mothers put together a petition and presented it to someone in the Dail. They were actually looking for an extension of mat leave for anyone who’s mat leave ENDED during the lockdown. So potentially for women who’s babies had been born in November. Which is laughable

average_runner · 08-07-2020 01:15PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Many private schools have already announced that you can’t return to school if you have been outside the country in the previous 14 days. Parents will have to sign a form declaring this to be the case.

It would be a simple measure to roll this out for all schools and parents would then know where they stand. If they want to take a holiday they can do so in July or early August. If they come back late August then their kids will have to miss a week or two of school.

The problem at the moment is the lack of clarity.

Once the same rule applies to all, including teachers etc. If teachers kids or other kids parent were outside the country, they shouldn't be allowed to attend for 14 days also.

Bananaleaf · 08-07-2020 01:19PM

average_runner wrote: »

Once the same rule applies to all, including teachers etc. If teachers kids or other kids parent were outside the country, they shouldn't be allowed to attend for 14 days also.

Absolutely

normanoffside · 08-07-2020 01:34PM

average_runner wrote: »

Once the same rule applies to all, including teachers etc. If teachers kids or other kids parent were outside the country, they shouldn't be allowed to attend for 14 days also.

Yes, staff are included in the memos I have seen.

lulublue22 · 08-07-2020 02:19PM

average_runner wrote: »

Once the same rule applies to all, including teachers etc. If teachers kids or other kids parent were outside the country, they shouldn't be allowed to attend for 14 days also.

Surely that would be a given otherwise it’s implementation would make very little sense

average_runner · 08-07-2020 02:21PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

Surely that would be a given otherwise it’s implementation would make very little sense

This is Ireland though, anything could happen

iamwhoiam · 08-07-2020 02:25PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

Why should they be ashamed of themselves? Did the New Mothers Union threaten to go on strike? Blaming mothers of newborns is like blaming teachers for the Leaving Cert fiasco. A politician saw an opportunity to run with a populist idea to try an garner cheap political capital. The media ran with the story without examining the detail. Now people are presenting it as a fait accompli.

How did the politicians get the idea it was a populist opinion ? Where did it stem from ?
I can’t even imagine that tax payers in general would be happy paying out €78 million for such a ludicrous idea ?

If it was earmarked for education or for our schools or care homes I would be far more acceptable

jrosen · 08-07-2020 04:02PM

They should be ashamed looking for government handouts for time off simply because! They have enough time off and the option is there for unpaid leave if they want to take it.

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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